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NWT1978

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alww = aliwangwang

always used the little blue guy to chat =:p

seem the Samsung filter also under this seller :s12:

easy to understand to him...

specify the dimensions to him...

then ask for price of it and whether got domestic shipping or not...

and then place order for it...

3 steps only... =:p

he sure fast cause he dispatch the filter after I ordered on 15 Sept 15... :s12:

I think I know what's the issue already. they don't like to send overseas.

Now also got the Taobao Global consolidated shipping, which is multiple items but pay 1 shot only. I think they are using 中通 as China 快递。 Local not sure.

Not the same as 4PX, Prouter etc. The manual international forwarders that all the old birds here have been using. The official Taobao international forwarders.

Seriously, I also don't know why TB wants to do that Global consolidated shipping thingie. Maybe to help those who are not so savvy.

but the standards must be the same as 4Px if not customers will feel the frustration :(
 
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I sold away the Sharp FU-Z31. So currently in my house is 6. And 3 x 3M Filtrete for the aircons.

I also have the "Clean Air AP-777 @ 89.90, but that's to be sent to my FIL's Riau house as we'll be bringing the kids there this coming CNY, and during CNY 初六 the concentration would be peaking at around 1000-2000 ug/m3 due to around 300 huge sticks of incense burnt for 36 hours just 40m away from house. :s22:

1. LG LA-Q379SB
2. Sharp KC-840E
3. Samsung AX40
4. Midea KJ30FE-NV
5. LG PS-R459
6. LG PS-S209

Parent's place
1. Novita NAP501 (sigh)
2. LG PS-R459

Grandma's plac
1. Sharp A28

So many APs...how the expenses for electric bills and filters? :eek:
 

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2015 Haze season is special. Anniversary of 1997 Super El Nino.

Time to bring out the heavy artillery.

For > 60sqm purifiers, just check out the Coway 3008. (Don't think anyone will get, but just for info...) That's a monster.

CADR = 1008m^3/hr.

Blueair 650W is 830m^3/hr.
Samsung AX40 is 350m^3/hr.
Sharp A80 is 480m^3/hr, but it's actually E10/H10, so you gotta times 0.85 so it's "CADR" is 408m^3/hr.
Hitachi EP-A7000 is 420 m^3/hr.
Sharp A60 is 396m^3/hr

All of the above is HEPA 13 except Sharp A80.

Novita NAP611 and TCL 260A are the same stuff, they spec 600m^3/hr in turbo mode, but I am quite sceptical about this. (check it out in the stores, feel the airflow).


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cost of replacing H13 must cost :eek: if they dont know TB
 
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I sold away the Sharp FU-Z31. So currently in my house is 6. And 3 x 3M Filtrete for the aircons.

I also have the "Clean Air AP-777 @ 89.90, but that's to be sent to my FIL's Riau house as we'll be bringing the kids there this coming CNY, and during CNY 初六 the concentration would be peaking at around 1000-2000 ug/m3 due to around 300 huge sticks of incense burnt for 36 hours just 40m away from house. :s22:

1. LG LA-Q379SB
2. Sharp KC-840E
3. Samsung AX40
4. Midea KJ30FE-NV
5. LG PS-R459
6. LG PS-S209

Parent's place
1. Novita NAP501 (sigh)
2. LG PS-R459

Grandma's plac
1. Sharp A28


Why sigh on the 501?
 

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So many APs...how the expenses for electric bills and filters? :eek:

Only the Midea is not so efficient but it's not to be used daily. The others all energy saving one.

After 2015, I think I will re-deploy it.

That's why need to use TB HEPA. Literally no performance hit or less than 20% hit if spec properly. Some models I only use $6 25mm HEPA, and > half are mint/BNIB but really cheap.
 
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I tried that fan thingy last year. Hence my earlier reply.

No way this year it's gonna be effective in any "satisfying" manner.
And it's noisy.

Would rather that you 3M Filtrete + open the door and let the cold airflow out, helped by fan or an AP placed at the doorway pumping cold air out.

There will be extra condensation produced. But a clean AC FCU with regular DIY servicing, no issue.

(that's why I have advocated a few times about DIY AC servicing with aircon foam + oral irrigator in this thread, and a few times in other threads in EDMW)

3m put infront or behind fan? :o
 

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How so? I thought the DIY ones could be at least as powerful depending on the fan speed and filter effectiveness?

The Cannon is ok. The box fan a bit weak. Here is the RAW data for a 15sqm room, something like the new BTO MBR.
I can tell you, the Samsung AX40 drops the levels many times faster than this.

This is the box fan data from tumblr particlecounting website that they done. It takes 1hr to halve the concentration.
Usually it takes about 4 to 6 mins to halve the concentration for our HDB room depending on size for the Samsung AX40., which has a 323m3/hr airflow spec.

What i am saying directly relates to CADR.

But someone did a DIY with a box fan, a DIY cardboard plenum and 2pcs of TB HEPA, that one is probably ok.

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I have done a test with 2 of my laser particle counters and the AX40, aided by the aircon to blow air around the room.

Scenario. New BTO small bedroom size. 2.7m x 3.3 x 2.9m. 8.9 sqm. Typical furniture of cabinet, cupboard, computer cable with drawers.

Air purifier : Samsung AX40

Starting concentration : 70 ug/m3 on the meter
+3 mins concentration : 33 ug/m3.

It needed only 2 mins 40 seconds to half the concentration.
 

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So the Philips, Blueair and Cannon can dig it down to 80-90 reduction of PM.

But note, the rate of decrease. This is a direct function of CADR.

The Blueair and Philips can do it significantly faster.

And in a leaky room or room that you don't intend to close a door coz it is not air-conditioned. Eg living room all inos closed, but the Yard and Kitchen doors are left half open.......then the CADR needs to be really high as dirty air would be exchanged with the cleaned air inside constantly. Else won't maintain a satisfactorily low PM concentration.
 
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baomi AP Vs Clean air AP - 777

Which one worth to buy? Anyone know the efficiency and noise level?

Baomi - Design looks good, can Smartphone control, got air quality reading
- more expensive, difficult to claim warranty

Clean air - cheap and simple. not sure about the noise level

I have a Samsung A40 with me currently, hope to add 1 more AP for living room. Thanks.
 

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WussRedXLi master, I have a Sharp KC-A40E. If I buy filter replacements from Taobao, can I follow the size that you buy for your KC-840? Wish there's a single all-in-1 post on the various model and custom sizes to refer to.

To be frank, I have no idea what needs replacing. It's time to dig out the user manual to read :o
 

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baomi AP Vs Clean air AP - 777

Which one worth to buy? Anyone know the efficiency and noise level?

Baomi - Design looks good, can Smartphone control, got air quality reading
- more expensive, difficult to claim warranty

Clean air - cheap and simple. not sure about the noise level

I have a Samsung A40 with me currently, hope to add 1 more AP for living room. Thanks.

Baomi is so much higher end than Clean Air model AP-777.

Baomi = 270 m3/hr. But quite noisy also.....watched a youtube video on it. Think 3 metres away in a room was 57 dB. But official specs is stated as 52dB. 45W.
豹米 is for geeks, it has a built in true laser particle counter module to get you that ug/m3 reading. It's not a IR LED diode cum photodetector.

Clean Air AP-777 is not quiet also. Highest level is confirm cannot sleep one.
Medium level is quite low airflow, but not overly so. Is ok, sleepable for the general folks.

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WussRedXLi master, I have a Sharp KC-A40E. If I buy filter replacements from Taobao, can I follow the size that you buy for your KC-840? Wish there's a single all-in-1 post on the various model and custom sizes to refer to.

To be frank, I have no idea what needs replacing. It's time to dig out the user manual to read :o

Yes, I believe can spec to 45mm for yours. But you go and measure your cavity properly, see if 45mm will have blockage for your prefilter cover. Shd be ok. But check the sides in detail, coz the prefilter has curves that goes in.

If scared block, then spec like 5mm less width to avoid the curve. Think a little about this, you'll get my concept.

Original is just 31mm. Boost to 45mm for TB is good (TB HEPA media is more restrictive), probably end up same airflow (haven't measured in detail).
 

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Haze hit several daze in 2014 and affected Singapore from the beginning of Sep to the beginning of November. A peak PSI 153 (131 ug/m3 at 6pm for South region) was recorded on 6th Oct 2015, Hari Raya Haji.

17 Sep 2014. F1 race lights having a sky glow due to haze
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21 Sep 2014 6.08pm, F1 raceday.
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Monday 6PM+, 341 ug/m3 South. What's installed for 2015?
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Before 1997 is got haze lah.

http://remembersingapore.org/2013/06/19/a-hazy-problem-for-40-years/

Singapore is fortunate to be freed of most natural disasters, but we are not spared of occasional floods and haze. The records at the National Archives and Newspaper Archives of Singapore show that the haze issue has been affecting Singapore and Malaysia for the past four decades. Most were due to the massive burning of forests at Kalimantan and Sumatra.

Here are some of the reports:

1972

In October 1972, Singapore and West Malaysia were covered by thick haze after days of burning of extensive forests and grass lands around Palembang, Indonesia. The worst day happened on the 14th October, when practically every part of Singapore was fog-bound. Motorists had to switch on their full headlights at Orchard Road and Nicoll Highway.

1975

A reddish haze hanged over the eastern and southern parts of Singapore due to the jungle clearing works at Johor Bahru and Kota Tinggi.

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1977

By October 1977, the smokes from the raging forest fires at Sumatra had covered much of Singapore and the western and southern parts of Peninsula Malaysia. Reported to be 366m high, the thick haze caused visibility to be so low that towering skyscrapers could hardly be seen from short distances.

1979

In May 1979, a combination of mist and haze covered almost three-quarter of Singapore, reducing the visibility to less than 2km. In Bedok, neighbouring blocks of HDB flats 400m away were barely visible. The source of the haze was undetermined.

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1982

Many complained eye irritation after the Anti-Pollution Unit of the Prime Minister’s Office detected 300 micrograms of fine suspended particles in the atmosphere, the highest level since there were records. The haze was reported to be originated from forest fires.

1983

Thousands of hectares of forests at East Kalimantan were burned since March 1983, causing a blanket of smoke over Singapore, Malaysia and Sarawak. Visibility was down to 1km. Fortunately, an occurrence of widespread rain helped to lighten the hazy condition
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1987

Days of smoky haze bothered Singaporeans in September 1987 as a result of dry weather and forest fires at Indonesia. Visibility rapidly dropped from 10-20km to 2-3km.

1991

The 73-storey Westin Stamford, the world’s tallest hotel then, and other buildings at Raffles City were barely visible from the Fort Road flyover of the East Coast Parkway in October 1991, covered by the haze caused by the raging fires in Indonesia.

1994

The thick smoke from the fires, engulfing forests and plantation areas at Jambi and South Sumatra, were blown by strong winds to Singapore in September 1994. The runway lights at the Changi airport had to be switched on during the day to help pilots land safely.

1995

ASEAN ministers (of environment) gathered at Kuala Lumpur to discuss the management of haze and other forms of transboundary pollution.

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1997

The worst haze issue hit Singapore and Malaysia in September 1997, with the local 3-hour PSI (Pollutant Standards Index) level recorded at the peak of 226 (on 18th September). Known as the 1997 Southeast Asian Haze, it was caused by massive forest fires at Kalimantan and Sumatra. Singapore suffered USD300 million in losses, due to health cost, slowdown in tourism and numerous flight disruptions. Malaysia declared a state of emergency in Sarawak after their pollutant level exceeded the 500-mark. Total regional loss amounted to a hefty USD9 billion.

1998

ASEAN officials met at Manila, seeking ways to deal with future forest fires and the haze that enveloped large parts of the region in the previous year.

1999

Singapore provided more than $600,000 worth of forest-fire and haze-monitoring equipment to Indonesia. The Indonesian enforcement authorities were also alerted of hot spots detected by the satellite. Indonesia also passed a law to ban open burnings. The haze condition in 1999 was lightened by the rainy season.

2000-2005

The strong winds sent the smoke of the burnings at Borneo and Sumatra to Singapore, Peninsula Malaysia and southern Thailand. In October 2002, the PSI recorded 79. The economic losses for Singapore was estimated to be USD50 million. By January 2003, all member nations of ASEAN, except Indonesia, had agreed to sign the environmental treaty in a bid to control the recurring haze issue.

Singapore experienced a PSI of 95 in March 2005, but was spared when a worse haze situation hit Peninsula Malaysia later that year. With the pollutant index shot up to 424, Port Klang was declared an emergency state. Selangor followed suit soon after that. Hundreds of flights were suspended, and schools were shut down.
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2006-2013

The region practically experienced haze problem every year after the millennium. Singapore experienced its worst ever haze crisis in June 2013, when the PSI level rose to an unprecedented 321 on the 19th June, before hitting an all-time high of 401 two days later.

Previously, the highest record in the new millennium was 150 in 2006 (on 7th October). In that year alone, the regional losses in economic, social and environmental aspects amounted to be approximately USD50 million.


1997 haze concentration values for various cities
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