Apple S$38 battery replacement now available.

[Arandalo]

Just some heads up:

Apple Will Replace the Battery in Your iPhone 6 or Later Even if It Passes a Genius Bar Diagnostic Test
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/02/apple-replaces-iphone-batteries-that-pass-tests/

via  iPhone X HardwareZone Forums app

Nice find it should highly likely be the same here in Singapore as well

 

[reddevil0728]

That was what I asked but they told me they have no old batt around all will be kept backend and sent lol

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Then how you verify what they say is true?

 

[Matrock5]

Then how you verify what they say is true?

Chat with genius bar ask them run a diagnostics for me and send me the result. Why not u tell me what should I do to verify then I'm no expert though

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[reddevil0728]

Chat with genius bar ask them run a diagnostics for me and send me the result. Why not u tell me what should I do to verify then I'm no expert though

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The point I’m trying to make it, sometimes trust matters. There’s just so much one can check. The rest gotta leave it to fate already. Maybe the question will be, Apple already kena f upside down for this, will they have any incentive to f themselves even more by trying to smoke you by not replacing it?

To be honest, they can simply just remove this “feature” in the next iOS update and they can actually choose not to reduce the cost of battery replacement.

 

[Matrock5]

The point I’m trying to make it, sometimes trust matters. There’s just so much one can check. The rest gotta leave it to fate already. Maybe the question will be, Apple already kena f upside down for this, will they have any incentive to f themselves even more by trying to smoke you by not replacing it?

To be honest, they can simply just remove this “feature” in the next iOS update and they can actually choose not to reduce the cost of battery replacement.

Then make your point across instead of qns ING me. I as a consumer too have my limitations I cannot and have no means to go into their back room and check every single item they do or replaced.

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[reddevil0728]

Then make your point across instead of qns ING me. I as a consumer too have my limitations I cannot and have no means to go into their back room and check every single item they do or replaced.

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Apologies, wasn’t targeted at you, but targeted at those people who are extremely cynical

 

[SiaoAngMoh]

I checked with them on the spot if there r any diagnostics checks on the new batt, they won't show u any diagnostic checks but they will bring out a box and show u your old battery inside.

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I replaced the battery under the 6s battery recall and was shown the diagnostic on screen as they plugged the phone into the computer and ran the software. The 0 cycles were clearly highlighted to me.

 

[Mclairs83]

The point I’m trying to make it, sometimes trust matters. There’s just so much one can check. The rest gotta leave it to fate already. Maybe the question will be, Apple already kena f upside down for this, will they have any incentive to f themselves even more by trying to smoke you by not replacing it?

To be honest, they can simply just remove this “feature” in the next iOS update and they can actually choose not to reduce the cost of battery replacement.

if u don't have trust in Apple. U can simply just move to other brands instead of keep thinking what if, if they do, if this, if that.

Apple fanboys must be damn happy to have their battery changed for $38. probably they will laugh at those android boys that no vendor has ever did that before.

but wait. that's because they throttle the performance.

 

[reddevil0728]

if u don't have trust in Apple. U can simply just move to other brands instead of keep thinking what if, if they do, if this, if that.

Apple fanboys must be damn happy to have their battery changed for $38. probably they will laugh at those android boys that no vendor has ever did that before.

but wait. that's because they throttle the performance.

Yes, that’s very trouble. If you find them not credible, don’t use them.

With regard to your last point, if they decided to remove the “the feature” or let you have the option to choose whether to activate it in the next iOS update, will you actually be content if they don’t reduce the price of the battery replacement?

 

[Matrock5]

Apologies, wasn’t targeted at you, but targeted at those people who are extremely cynical

Cool.

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[SiaoAngMoh]

With regard to your last point, if they decided to remove the “the feature” or let you have the option to choose whether to activate it in the next iOS update, will you actually be content if they don’t reduce the price of the battery replacement?

The question is why is the SoC clocked so high that the battery, after 6 months to a year of use, can no longer power the phone sufficiently at that clock speed.

Apple has a lot of headroom over the SoC in Android in terms of performance that they could have set the clock lower to begin with for better battery compatibility, and then optimised iOS at that level of performance.

 

[reddevil0728]

The question is why is the SoC clocked so high that the battery, after 6 months to a year of use, can no longer power the phone sufficiently at that clock speed.

Apple has a lot of headroom over the SoC in Android in terms of performance that they could have set the clock lower to begin with for better battery compatibility, and then optimised iOS at that level of performance.

Two different issues. So back to the question, INDEPENDENT of what they did with SoC bla bla bla, is they roll back this “feature” will you actually be content if they don’t reduce the price of the battery.

 

[Mclairs83]

Yes, that’s very trouble. If you find them not credible, don’t use them.

With regard to your last point, if they decided to remove the “the feature” or let you have the option to choose whether to activate it in the next iOS update, will you actually be content if they don’t reduce the price of the battery replacement?

to be honest, its a well known secret since iphone 4. every major iOS update, the phone become more laggy.

so to me, its just bullsh!t. Android doesn't have this problem AT ALL. i have friend who uses OnePlus One and on LineageOS Nougat, does not face any lag and the battery have already use for more than 3yrs.

and to your first statement, Apple already mentioned, its the battery, its not the iOS. so u lan lan still have to change ur battery after a year or 2 to restore the performance.

Anyway alot of apple fanboys willing to change new iPhone because its Apple.

 

[reddevil0728]

to be honest, its a well known secret since iphone 4. every major iOS update, the phone become more laggy.

so to me, its just bullsh!t. Android doesn't have this problem AT ALL. i have friend who uses OnePlus One and on LineageOS Nougat, does not face any lag and the battery have already use for more than 3yrs.

and to your first statement, Apple already mentioned, its the battery, its not the iOS. so u lan lan still have to change ur battery after a year or 2 to restore the performance.

Anyway alot of apple fanboys willing to change new iPhone because its Apple.

Not disputing that with each new major iOS update, it gets laggier.

With regard to android, I beg to differ actually.

Independent point. Question is, will you trade no reduction in price of battery replacement for no throttling?

Don’t doubt that, the “wonder” of marketing maybe?

 

[Mclairs83]

Not disputing that with each new major iOS update, it gets laggier.

With regard to android, I beg to differ actually.

Independent point. Question is, will you trade no reduction in price of battery replacement for no throttling?

Don’t doubt that, the “wonder” of marketing maybe?

why not? paying an expensive phone, i expect it works and perform the same as it since the day i purchase the phone.

not by telling me after a year i have to pay $100+ for a new battery just because the "battery is spent".

Anyway i don't care about Apple wad they do. they can "scam" apple fanboys for all i care.

Been switching from iOS to Android back and forth. Still find that Android ecosystem is better than iOS. Although yes, they may not be the fastest phone, but to me, features and technology for mobile OS is my main priority.

 

[SiaoAngMoh]

Two different issues. So back to the question, INDEPENDENT of what they did with SoC bla bla bla, is they roll back this “feature” will you actually be content if they don’t reduce the price of the battery.

Why is the reduction of the price on the battery and the roll back of the throttling of the SoC speed connected together? Those are two INDEPENDENT things.

The reduction of the speed of the SoC was done to prevent customers complaining to Apple that the phone was shutting down and Apple having to admit they screwed up with the design and offer a recall. It wasn't done to help the customer.

The reduction on the battery price only came about when the underclocking of the SoC was discovered and a class action lawsuit was brought against Apple. Apple know they screwed up. Reducing the price of the battery was the absolute minimum they could do.

So, if they undo the throttling, why would the price of the battery go back up?

 

[SiaoAngMoh]

With regard to android, I beg to differ actually.

Which Android manufacturer do you think is slowing down the SoC when the battery is no longer in perfect health?

 

[reddevil0728]

why not? paying an expensive phone, i expect it works and perform the same as it since the day i purchase the phone.

not by telling me after a year i have to pay $100+ for a new battery just because the "battery is spent".

Anyway i don't care about Apple wad they do. they can "scam" apple fanboys for all i care.

Been switching from iOS to Android back and forth. Still find that Android ecosystem is better than iOS. Although yes, they may not be the fastest phone, but to me, features and technology for mobile OS is my main priority.

If I am reading you right...

Will you agree that a battery will become less effective over time?

if yes, then how will any phone be it apple or android "works and performance the same as it since the day i purchase the phone" (sic).

Why is the reduction of the price on the battery and the roll back of the throttling of the SoC speed connected together? Those are two INDEPENDENT things.

The reduction of the speed of the SoC was done to prevent customers complaining to Apple that the phone was shutting down and Apple having to admit they screwed up with the design and offer a recall. It wasn't done to help the customer.

The reduction on the battery price only came about when the underclocking of the SoC was discovered and a class action lawsuit was brought against Apple. Apple know they screwed up. Reducing the price of the battery was the absolute minimum they could do.

So, if they undo the throttling, why would the price of the battery go back up?

1) If they don't throttle the performance due to depleting battery life
2) they don't have to communicate anything
3) if they don't have to communicate anything, there is no "secret" to withhold
4) if they don't withhold any "secret", there's nothing to expose
5) If there's nothing to expose, there's no outcry
6) If there's no outcry do they have to make such concession?

maybe i am not very technically inclined and also don't really know the ins and out of the class action lawsuit, maybe you can enlighten me...

But what if I put it this way...

Apple planned design for the iPhone is such that the SoC will run a given speed and will not cause the phone to automatically shut down If the battery has at least 80% capacity. If it doesn't it will automatically shut down.

That's their "PLANNED" design, i.e. the phone will not shut down contingent on the battery having at least 80% capacity.

In order to circumvent the auto shut down without having to change the battery, they decided to throttle.

Consumer has a choice, either replace the battery or just let it throttle.

Not sure if there's such a phone where given the same SoC speed, the phone can last for x hours, on day 1 and Day 700.

No doubt communication could have been better. back to the Question, will you trade no reduction in price of battery replacement for no throttling?

Which Android manufacturer do you think is slowing down the SoC when the battery is no longer in perfect health?

not saying that, i am saying that my experience with Android is also such that after multiple major android update, the phone also gets laggier.

 

[SiaoAngMoh]

1) If they don't throttle the performance due to depleting battery life
2) they don't have to communicate anything
3) if they don't have to communicate anything, there is no "secret" to withhold
4) if they don't withhold any "secret", there's nothing to expose
5) If there's nothing to expose, there's no outcry
6) If there's no outcry do they have to make such concession?

5-6 are wrong. The outcry would then be why the phone shuts down even with when the battery has a 40% charge. A lot of complaints. Stories hit the press. Couldn't dial 911 in emergency due to phone shutting down etc etc. Bad press. Lawsuits on shutdowns happen.

You seem to believe Apple isn't the source of this problem and have graciously offered a reduction in the cost of the battery replacement. It's the fault of the battery technology.

In simple terms, the SoC is clocked at a rate that the battery won't be able to support after 6-12 months of usage, without shutting down. End of. That's why Apple is in this position now.

In order to prevent customers complaining to Apple about unexpected shutdowns ... Apple silently underclocked the SoC. This wasn't done as a favour to the customer.

What Apple should have done was design the power draw of the SoC with sufficient margin from the beginning to ensure it works even when the battery is at 80% health and low charge. With that speed set, optimise iOS to run correctly. Doing otherwise is designing for obsolescence.

But it is too late now. Either live with a slower phone or one that randomly shuts down. Because Apple screwed up, what they should be doing is offering a free one time replacement of the battery, and then cheaper 2nd/3rd replacements as and when they are needed. iOS should alert you when the battery is at a level where shutdowns/slowdowns will occur, and you make the choice, while you plan to swap out the battery.

 

[reddevil0728]

5-6 are wrong. The outcry would then be why the phone shuts down even with when the battery has a 40% charge. A lot of complaints. Stories hit the press. Couldn't dial 911 in emergency due to phone shutting down etc etc. Bad press. Lawsuits on shutdowns happen.

You seem to believe Apple isn't the source of this problem and have graciously offered a reduction in the cost of the battery replacement. It's the fault of the battery technology.

In simple terms, the SoC is clocked at a rate that the battery won't be able to support after 6-12 months of usage, without shutting down. End of. That's why Apple is in this position now.

In order to prevent customers complaining to Apple about unexpected shutdowns ... Apple silently underclocked the SoC. This wasn't done as a favour to the customer.

What Apple should have done was design the power draw of the SoC with sufficient margin from the beginning to ensure it works even when the battery is at 80% health and low charge. With that speed set, optimise iOS to run correctly. Doing otherwise is designing for obsolescence.

But it is too late now. Either live with a slower phone or one that randomly shuts down. Because Apple screwed up, what they should be doing is offering a free one time replacement of the battery, and then cheaper 2nd/3rd replacements as and when they are needed. iOS should alert you when the battery is at a level where shutdowns/slowdowns will occur, and you make the choice, while you plan to swap out the battery.

Not sure about the technical limitation, but is there anything stopping them from coding it such that the % will drop so fast such that instead of 40% it is actually 1%? and they can just claim that your battery has been depleted? Nothing is stopping them to also code their diagnostic programme to be more conservative and display a lower capacity hold that it really is right?

I never say they are not the source of the problem, i am just wondering if you ignore the other variables like they design wrongly etc, will you trade no reduction in price of battery replacement for no throttling? just want to see where people stand...

question: does the battle actually start throttling upon reaching 80% charge or contingent on some other factors?