Best ISP for Taobao.com / China websites?

[phiber]

Hi Everyone,

I'm currently on VQ 1Gbps for the past god knows how many years.. Recently, their Taobao peering is getting spotty again.
Am thinking of getting another 500 or 1gbps internet circuit for my wife to do her taobao / china shopping.. and also as a load-balance / backup circuit as well.

Which ISP now has lesser problem with Taobao.com?

 

[ronnie_gogs]

Getting a new ISP for a website that too a not soo high data hogging website doesnt make sense to me. Wouldnt a DNS solve your issue. Even a VPN service would solve any issue of connections. I use Cloudfare and have had no issues so far.

 

[phiber]

Getting a new ISP for a website that too a not soo high data hogging website doesnt make sense to me. Wouldnt a DNS solve your issue. Even a VPN service would solve any issue of connections. I use Cloudfare and have had no issues so far.

Not really a DNS issue but the way VQ peers with China / Taobao CDN i guess..
We're on Malus already but i just thought of over-engineering the solution.. lol..

Besides, my firewall supports dual-wan so i thought i'd have some fun too.
Just having a hard time figuring the better 2nd ISP for my 2nd link.

SingTel is out coz of pricing and also coz of ODEX-saga..

 

[ronnie_gogs]

Well in that case my M1 connection works fine for taobao. Loads of shopping during circuit breaker. I thought of backup connections when I was working from home before and m1 went down.

 

[seowbin]

is it because of their traffic go via NTT japan?

taobao CDN should be able to peer in SG and HK area. I using my own network, no issue leh

 

[phiber]

is it because of their traffic go via NTT japan?

taobao CDN should be able to peer in SG and HK area. I using my own network, no issue leh

Bro, i using retail VQ, not my own network, so your comment is completely unnecessary and not really helpful leh..

You have your own network, good for you!

Already said the issue is with VQ's peering already, their peering to TB's / ALI CDN sucks.. that's why i am thinking of getting a 2nd ISP just for fun and to test it multi-WAN.

 

[seowbin]

the description of the problem very grey also. You need to capture the packets then know to which exact IP is slow then people can help ma

slow is a subjective word also

maybe your wifi sucks, switch to whatever ISP also can't help.

 

[phiber]

the description of the problem very grey also. You need to capture the packets then know to which exact IP is slow then people can help ma

slow is a subjective word also

maybe your wifi sucks, switch to whatever ISP also can't help.

not WIFI, am on 1gbps.

LAN Connection on Full Ubiquiti all the way to firewall, directly connected to VQ ONT.
It's a Taobao peering issue beyond the ONT that i cannot fix.

Every other network / site / domain is fine.

I did attach a temporary M1 data-only sim card on a 4g router to my firewall as 2nd WAN and did static routing for Taobao / China domain yesterday, that seemed to give an interesting result, that is why wondering if others have any experience with china / taobao circuits on other residential ISPs..

 

[xiaofan]

not WIFI, am on 1gbps.

LAN Connection on Full Ubiquiti all the way to firewall, directly connected to VQ ONT.
It's a Taobao peering issue beyond the ONT that i cannot fix.

Every other network / site / domain is fine.

I did attach a temporary M1 data-only sim card on a 4g router to my firewall as 2nd WAN and did static routing for Taobao / China domain yesterday, that seemed to give an interesting result, that is why wondering if others have any experience with china / taobao circuits on other residential ISPs..

There were reports of issues with VQ and MR with regard to Taobao.

We are using Singtel at home and we are heavy users of Taobao and Wechat. Singtel is pretty okay in this aspect. But I understand you do not want to try out Singtel due to cost reasons.

From old reports, M1 is pretty bad as well.

I will suggest you get VPN as the solution. I got good ping value with AJS VPN. AJS may have the best performance to China due to the number of servers. But it may be a bit more difficult to sign-up compare to Malus or Transocks.

Just as a test, please post the ping and traceroute info to "s.taobao.com".

You can also compare the mobile version of Taobao. I tend to believe the mobile version performs better than the website. And sometimes Singtel Mobile performs better than Singtel Fibre for Taobao. So you may also try out mobile data connection.

Old discussions here:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...official-thread-part-6.6473287/post-136984774
And here.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/real-international-speed-tests.6405972/page-10

 

[phiber]

There were reports of issues with VQ and MR with regard to Taobao.

We are using Singtel at home and we are heavy users of Taobao and Wechat. Singtel is pretty okay in this aspect. But I understand you do not want to try out Singtel due to cost reasons.

From old reports, M1 is pretty bad as well.

I will suggest you get VPN as the solution. I got good ping value with AJS VPN. AJS may have the best performance to China due to the number of servers. But it may be a bit more difficult to sign-up compare to Malus or Transocks.

Just as a test, please post the ping and traceroute info to "s.taobao.com".

You can also compare the mobile version of Taobao. I tend to believe the mobile version performs better than the website. And sometimes Singtel Mobile performs better than Singtel Fibre for Taobao. So you may also try out mobile data connection.

Old discussions here:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...official-thread-part-6.6473287/post-136984774
And here.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/real-international-speed-tests.6405972/page-10

Yups.. i was part of the old discussion.. the problem is back again after awhile:

Pinging v6-sh-sz-zb.wagbridge.alibaba.taobao.com.gds.alibabadns.com [59.82.60.16] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 59.82.60.16: bytes=32 time=247ms TTL=83
Reply from 59.82.60.16: bytes=32 time=254ms TTL=83
Reply from 59.82.60.16: bytes=32 time=237ms TTL=83
Reply from 59.82.60.16: bytes=32 time=235ms TTL=83

Ping is normal lor.. just sometimes slow..

 

[seowbin]

i just ran pcapdroid on my android phone. It is shown transaction by transaction. no way to add up all the data consumed per IP/destination

those consuming more data destination like

47.246.103.25 - >500KB
116.0.81.252 - 4.6MB
g.alicdn.com - 3.0MB
gw.alicdn.com - >500KB
guangguang.cloudvideocdn.taobao.com - > 5MB
livecb.alicdn.com >5MB

you can try to ping and see how the latency like but still low latency doesn't not means better throughput especially for China bound traffic

 

[CoolRock]

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