Cholesterol

[stingray1211]

“Everything in moderation” is a convenient slogan but not a safeguard against chronic disease. Modern processed foods are engineered to override satiety signals and promote overconsumption of refined carbohydrates, added sugars, and industrial seed oils, substrates known to accelerate insulin resistance, low‑grade inflammation, endothelial dysfunction, and atherogenesis. Allowing a child unrestricted access to sugar‑sweetened beverages or ultra‑processed snacks teaches their metabolism to favor lipogenesis and may program long‑term cardiometabolic risk. While genetic variability means some individuals tolerate excess calories without weight gain, adiposity-independent harms, such as elevated oxidized LDL, nonalcoholic fatty liver, and impaired pancreatic β‑cell function, still accrue. Life is indeed short, but quality and duration both depend on preserving physiologic resilience. If your goal is genuine well‑being rather than fleeting pleasure, then choose to nourish your body rather than merely indulge it.

no one says unrestricted. if you have no discipline in life. everything sucks lah .

you need to exercise , eat well , etc.
but because everyone's lifestyle is different. food choices availability is different.

you want healthy is you prepare your own food daily , which many people do. for their kids and their family. but if you so lazy to do it .then don't cite rubbish processed food.

life is a choice. you choose it for your kids and yourself. you only blame yourself your health related issues.

that is why , our government should allow us assisted dying for certain illness.. it is the most human thing to do..

anyways for the greater good of the world , everyone should die young , so that don't consume resources for the next generation.


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[cyke69sg]

no one says unrestricted. if you have no discipline in life. everything sucks lah .

you need to exercise , eat well , etc.
but because everyone's lifestyle is different. food choices availability is different.

you want healthy is you prepare your own food daily , which many people do. for their kids and their family. but if you so lazy to do it .then don't cite rubbish processed food.

life is a choice. you choose it for your kids and yourself. you only blame yourself your health related issues.


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I think many also blame the establishment. Food industry. Pharmaceutical industry. Medical industry. They say it is a conspiracy to preach to people how-to be unhealthy so that all those ok ndustries stand to profit.

Hence they see themselves as saviors. Activists on a warpath against the evil machinery. To save mankind.

 

[charliebrown]

talk so much but who cares? .... jhj..

 

[Checkyrmed]

talk so much but who cares? .... jhj..

Heart disease is still the number one killer in Singapore.
But load up on seed oils and swallow your statins, healthcare industry gospel, they say.

 

[cyke69sg]

@Checkyrmed it is one thing to be keyboard warrior post WoTs on a forum.

I keep telling you. Go talk to patients. Individual people. You will learn more about how people think . How little they care that they don't know things they don't want to know.

 

[cyke69sg]

Heart disease is still the number one killer in Singapore.

Is it?

It's been cancer for quite some time already.

https://www.moh.gov.sg/others/resources-and-statistics/principal-causes-of-death

 

[Mecisteus]

The Oreo experiment was not about swapping saturated fat for carbohydrates. It was designed to test the lipid energy model in a lean‑mass hyper‑responder (LMHR) who was already on a ketogenic diet, lean, healthy, but had very high LDL cholesterol. For 16 days, the participant added 12 Oreos per day (about 100 g of extra carbs) on top of their low‑carb regimen. During that period, LDL fell from 384 mg/dL to 111 mg/dL.

According to the lipid energy model, when LMHR individuals have low carbohydrate stores they burn more fat which increases fat transport and raises LDL levels. By adding carbs even while remaining in a low carb framework they replenished those stores, shifted energy use back toward carbohydrates and achieved a sharp drop in LDL. In other words, the extra carbohydrates rather than a direct fat for carb swap drove the reduction in LDL.

Most ultra processed foods are loaded with polyunsaturated fats because seed oils such as soybean, corn and sunflower, rich in linoleic acid, are far cheaper and more stable for mass production than animal fats or tropical oils. Palm oil, which is semisolid at room temperature and cheaper than fully refined oils, is sometimes used and does contribute saturated fat, but by far the dominant fats in packaged snacks, baked goods and restaurant fryers remain PUFA‑rich seed oils. Claims that processed foods are high in saturated fats usually confuse them with trans fats. Trans fats are not natural saturated fats but unsaturated oils that have been partially hydrogenated to harden them, creating trans‑configured double bonds.

Moreover, not all saturated fatty acids behave the same.

Nevermind still rubbish if their CT scan is showing higher levels of plagues progression.

When you are already on rubbish keto diet and adding rubbish oreo, you still end up with rubbish.

 

[Checkyrmed]

Is it?

It's been cancer for quite some time already.

https://www.moh.gov.sg/others/resources-and-statistics/principal-causes-of-death

That the rank of heart disease has now fallen to third place comes as little surprise and has been long expected. Emerging evidence links statin use to a modest increase in cancer and infection risk, concerns often overlooked.

In 2021:

 

[Checkyrmed]

Nevermind still rubbish if their CT scan is showing higher levels of plagues progression.

When you are already on rubbish keto diet and adding rubbish oreo, you still end up with rubbish.

Participants were never screened for insulin resistance, which can take years to decades to improve. The authors also noted that plaque begets plaque, so observing some progression over years in that 100‑person cohort is entirely expected.

 

[cyke69sg]

That the rank of heart disease has now fallen to third place comes as little surprise and has been long expected. Emerging evidence links statin use to a modest increase in cancer and infection risk, concerns often overlooked.

Point is you STILL thought that heart disease is the no 1 killer in SG.

How is that? This type of improtant face you also dunno? It's been almost a decade from my memory that cancer is number 1 COD.

You are probably a lot older than I thought. Also you are not someone from academia or research which I thought also.

 

[Mecisteus]

Participants were never evaluated for insulin resistance, which can take years to decades to improve. The authors also noted that plaque begets plaque, so observing some progression over years in that 100‑person cohort is entirely expected.

Their rate of plagues progression is like someone with metabolic disorder.

Nobody wants that kind of outcome.

I don't follow keto diet. I'm eating a balanced diet and my insulin sensitivity is just perfect without skyhigh LDL.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ScientificNutrition/s/SV642H9gT7

Soto-Mota et al. omitted their primary outcome because it showed an increase in NCPV of 18.8 mm³ which indicates stunningly rapid plaque progression in the LMHRs.

They spun the rest of the paper around an analysis that wasn't even mentioned in their pre-registration, a correlation between rates of plaque progression and LDL-C.

 

[Mecisteus]

Is it?

It's been cancer for quite some time already.

https://www.moh.gov.sg/others/resources-and-statistics/principal-causes-of-death

I think it doesn't matter which one is #1 or #3.

We try our best to avoid that. That is to keep LDL, Hba1c and BP low. Hopefully can avoid cancer also.

 

[cyke69sg]

Their rate of plagues progression is like someone with metabolic disorder.

Nobody wants that kind of outcome.

I don't follow keto diet. I'm eating a balanced diet and my insulin sensitivity is just perfect without skyhigh LDL.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ScientificNutrition/s/SV642H9gT7

I don't bother so much anymore.

Seen enough people have all kinds of illnesses. Everyone talks about cancer and heart disease. Stroke. Sure.

But there are also people who Kena strange things which are relatively rare but hey if someone Kena it is 100%

It is also luck of the draw. Same like how people are born into wealthier families. Born into poverty. Born into loving balanced families. Born to dysfunctional drug fueled parents.

Born in Libya. Born in Qatar. Born in Japan
Born in North Korra. Born in Singapore. Born in Indonesia.

These diet debates are for the wealthy

 

[cyke69sg]

I think it doesn't matter which one is #1 or #3.

We try our best to avoid that. That is to keep LDL, Hba1c and BP low.

I won't even bother with checking anymore. Not for me. Not for others.

 

[Checkyrmed]

Their rate of plagues progression is like someone with metabolic disorder.

Nobody wants that kind of outcome.

I don't follow keto diet. I'm eating a balanced diet and my insulin sensitivity is just perfect without skyhigh LDL.

While responses aren't universal, the majority of people see significant benefits from eliminating high-carb foods, unsaturated fats, and omega-6.

 

[Mecisteus]

I don't bother so much anymore.

Seen enough people have all kinds of illnesses. Everyone talks about cancer and heart disease. Stroke. Sure.

But there are also people who Kena strange things which are relatively rare but hey if someone Kena it is 100%

It is also luck of the draw. Same like how people are born into wealthier families. Born into poverty. Born into loving balanced families. Born to dysfunctional drug fueled parents.

Born in Libya. Born in Qatar. Born in Japan
Born in North Korra. Born in Singapore. Born in Indonesia.

These diet debates are for the wealthy

I think its fine if you understand the risks but you try to maximize happiness with your own kind of diet and lifestyle.

No point eating like a monk but you compromise on the quality of life.

 

[Mecisteus]

While responses aren't universal, the majority of people see significant benefits from eliminating high-carb foods, unsaturated fats, and omega-6.

I already said you can achieve the same level of health without skyhigh LDL keto diet.

 

[cyke69sg]

I think its fine if you understand the risks but you try to maximize happiness with your own kind of diet and lifestyle.

No point eating like a monk but you compromise on the quality of life.

Exactly.
Do what makes you happy

Actually ignorance is bliss.

Does society really need all the technology? Science.? Knowledge?

Are we so much happier and better off knowing how things work versus just being contented and happy?

Mental health is another big one that diet stuff don't really correlate as well.

Why do people overeat? Cos they want the dopamine. Cos they have mental health issues. You don't have good mental health you go on all these diet science stuff also no use.

 

[cyke69sg]

all these diet science metabolism people talk as though wellness is all about metabolism. Metabolic pathways. Science. Biochemistry

And they talk about WELLNESS.

But they don't address mental issues.

People have trauma. They need to deal with it. Emotionally.

People have stressful jobs. Difficult interpersonal relationships. Personalities.

The diet metabolism stuff is important and is huge. But it's not EVERYTHING for everyone.

And the more you know about life and everything the more you know it is a lost cause to think you can control everything.

 

[Mecisteus]

all these diet science metabolism people talk as though wellness is all about metabolism. Metabolic pathways. Science. Biochemistry

And they talk about WELLNESS.

But they don't address mental issues.

People have trauma. They need to deal with it. Emotionally.

People have stressful jobs. Difficult interpersonal relationships. Personalities.

The diet metabolism stuff is important and is huge. But it's not EVERYTHING for everyone.

And the more you know about life and everything the more you know it is a lost cause to think you can control everything.

Basically if you have a lifestyle disorder, you try your best with conventional advice first.

Stick with it if you think its beneficial and sustainable.

Otherwise, pick a diet that is sustainable and can give you good mental health.