[CONSOLIDATED][Ukraine Edition] Russian Invasion of Ukraine Has Begun!

[parchiao]

Zelensky is a real clown.

I cannot believe so many people here have been supporting him.

While his desire to keep his country intact is commendable,

He just does not have what it takes to lead the country to a better place.

WTF, go White House and argue with the President and Vice President, the people wo are helping him.

If he does not want help from Trump, he can always crawl back to KO ie. Keir and Olaf

 

[TopGun]

Just stay neutral will do. Which is what SG is doing, very wisely.

You are not addressing his points by repeating your point on neutrality which is not relevant.

We take sides. We take the side of what is right.

 

[coutuser]

We are still supporting Ukraine, can't be otherwise. But we also recognise NATO was no angel.

https://www.mlaw.gov.sg/news/speech...dress-k-shanmugam-iseas-yusof-ishak-workshop/

We should remain neutral. If we support Ukraine, we will kena marked by Ukraine.

Anyone know what is Switzerland stance?

 

[TopGun]

That is why most of us are employees and not leaders. Everything has its pros and cons. A leader has to weigh them and have foresight.

Like when LKY wanted Israel to train our armed forces in 1965 he took the risk of offending our Muslim neighbors. So he did it in secret. But ultimately it paid off.

It was a secret until 1969 whereby we paraded hardware purchased from Israel and allow Israel to open a consulate in Singapore.

 

[parchiao]

We should remain neutral. If we support Ukraine, we will kena marked by Ukraine.

Anyone know what is Switzerland stance?

Cannot.

How can we turn a blind eye over a big country invading a smaller country?

It's not like we are all in with Ukraine either.

 

[NTB2DO]

You are not addressing his points by repeating your point on neutrality which is not relevant.

We take sides. We take the side of what is right.

By being neutral, I mean not siding one particular country AGAINST another country. Like, in Ukraine's case, joining NATO against Russia.

Yup we take sides of what's right. Which is precisely what Vivian has been asserting:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...vivian-on-singapore-s-foreign-policy-approach

 

[coutuser]

For survival?

at wat point was russia threatened with invasion?

this war got to end, but not purely on dictatorial putin's terms

You know what my ex manager used to say?

What do you suggest? You think you can do better. You come take over.

 

[NTB2DO]

We should remain neutral. If we support Ukraine, we will kena marked by Ukraine.

Anyone know what is Switzerland stance?

We support Ukraine as in we are against Russia's aggression.

 

[TopGun]

By being neutral, I mean not siding one particular country AGAINST another country. Like, in Ukraine's case, joining NATO against Russia.

Yup we take sides of what's right. Which is precisely what Vivian has been asserting:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...vivian-on-singapore-s-foreign-policy-approach

You have a narrow and convenient definition of what neutrality is.

Do we send aid to Russia or Ukraine?

Do we uphold sanctions against Russia or Ukraine?

 

[TopGun]

We should remain neutral. If we support Ukraine, we will kena marked by Ukraine.

Anyone know what is Switzerland stance?

Switzerland has condemned Russia actions, executed sanctions and provided aid to Ukraine.

 

[NTB2DO]

You have a narrow and convenient definition of what neutrality is.

Do we send aid to Russia or Ukraine?

Do we uphold sanctions against Russia or Ukraine?

You still don't get me. May I ask, if SG were in same situation as Ukraine, should SG insist on joining NATO - like what Zelensky had done, or should SG remain neutral ie not siding NATO/US nor Russia?

 

[TopGun]

You still don't get me. May I ask, if SG were in same situation as Ukraine, should SG insisted on joining NATO, or should SG remain neutral ie not siding NATO/US nor Russia?

How can SG be in the same situation as Ukraine? Do you want me to hypothesize SG facing a threat of a Russia invasion?

Put it this way, if SG do face a threat, our priority would be to ensure that the flow of arms continue. That's all I will say.

 

[NTB2DO]

How can SG be in the same situation as Ukraine? Do you want me to hypothesize SG facing a threat of a Russia invasion?

Put it this way, if SG do face a threat, our priority would be to ensure that the flow of arms continue. That's all I will say.

If SG were to face a threat, at least SG will rely on our ownself to defend our country and not pin hope on other country to help us - like what Zelensky had done.

Because, as rightly pointed out by Shan,

Singapore must have the military means and social resilience to defend itself and act in its own interest, because others will help only if it suits their interests.

 

[TopGun]

If SG were to face a threat, at least SG will rely on our ownself to defend our country and not pin hope on other country to help us - like what Zelensky had done.

Because, as rightly pointed out by Shan,

As I said earlier, our priority would be to ensure that the flow of arms continue. I will let you think about what I have said, in response to what you have said here.

 

[coutuser]

Cannot.

How can we turn a blind eye over a big country invading a smaller country?

It's not like we are all in with Ukraine either.

In Hokkein there is something called diam diam.

 

[NTB2DO]

As I said earlier, our priority would be to ensure that the flow of arms continue. I will let you think about what I have said, in response to what you have said here.

Yup. That's why we spend a lot on defence. Which I'm not complaining.

Such that we would not end up like Zelensky, keep demanding the whole world to keep sending weapons to Ukraine. We build our own capability.

 

[TopGun]

Yup. That's why we spend a lot on defence. Which I'm not complaining.

Such that we would not end up like Zelensky, keep demanding the whole world to keep sending weapons to Ukraine. We build our own capability.

So where does the arms come from and who provides the on-going support leading up to and during a conflict, if it comes to that?

How do we ensure that our interests is also the interest of those who support us with arms since Shan rightly said that others will help only if it suits their interests.

What he did not say is whether we are acting on ensuring that "it in their interest" to help us.

Ukraine fought off Russia through motivation to defend their country, and the military training and equipment they have received prior to the invasion. Ukraine had help, and needed continual help. Even Russia tapped on North Korea for military support but the issue is with Zelensky demanding for support?

It's very simple really. If it's not in the Europeans interest to support Ukraine, they would not. Period. But Europe is digging into their inventory to help Ukraine.

 

[0218crawford]

jin obvious zelen prefer biden to be president. so he can continue receiving large sums of $ and weapons from sleepy joe to continue the war. if he really care about the lives of his people, he would not have put on a horrow show in front of the media.

 

[NTB2DO]

So where does the arms come from and who provides the on-going support leading up to and during a conflict, if it comes to that?

We buy. We pay for it. It's a business transaction, dude.

 

[TopGun]

We buy. We pay for it. It's a business transaction, dude.

Then it's obvious that you do not know how military sales work.

It's not 'just a business transaction'.

You think you can maintain the modern sophisticated equipment without the host country/OEM support?

You think you have enough stockpile of equipment, ammunition, parts to win the war?

What makes you think that it's the interest of others to help you (in this case the host country and OEM) by selling you more ammunition, equipment, replacement parts, perform repairs in the event of a conflict?