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pcmdan

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Very worried that CPF interest rate will be reduced in the future... :(

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Rightfully shouldnt be. Since when good years when cpf is taking in high returns, they did not increase. Hence no reasonable reasons to reduce. Besides MA and SA are long term with govt.

Budden again, if they do reduce, I can understand. This current env so bad, no reason to continue the high rate.

Just hope that as soon as the markets pick up, cpf can revise rate immediately as well
 
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Rightfully shouldnt be. Since when good years when cpf is taking in high returns, they did not increase. Hence no reasonable reasons to reduce. Besides MA and SA are long term with govt.

Budden again, if they do reduce, I can understand. This current env so bad, no reason to continue the high rate.

Just hope that as soon as the markets pick up, cpf can revise rate immediately as well
Actually they should set 4% as SMRA floor rate Bro pcmdan... :(

Give more confidence for the future... :(

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Well if they change it, that might affect their response in coming election though given that most middle class are squeezed in between.

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Means no hit FRS cannot withdraw more than $5k Bro rtanjaya... :(

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Can I clarify,

so now if my SA is 180k, with some increment from salary yearly
after 20 years its 400k+

I can withdraw

400k+ minus FRS = Whatever amount ? Correct
 

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Hi fellows, for RSTU to parents, in other words, the parents will get additional inflows into their RA, CPF states that got 2 ways to make use of the new money:

Q What happens when there are inflows into my Retirement Account after I have started receiving my monthly payout?
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If there are inflows into your Retirement Account (RA) after you have started receiving your monthly payout, there are two options you can consider:

You can leave the money in your RA. In July, we will automatically pay this money to you as additional monthly payout (AMP). We will tell you the exact revised monthly payout you will receive two to three months before we make the adjustments. This payment will stop when the money in your RA runs out.

Note: If you are under CPF LIFE Escalating Plan, the AMP will not increase by 2% every year in the month that the first payout was made.

You may choose to buy another annuity to give you a higher annuity payout to last you for life.

So how do I calculate which is more "worth it" for my folks huh?, i.e. if I go for AMP, how much will $n of inflow last my parent for how long ($(n/10) for 10 mths, ($n/24) for 2 years, ($n/72) for 8years?)? On the other hand, if I buy annuity, although will last for life, will I like get $0.50 per month?
 
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Hi fellows, for RSTU to parents, in other words, the parents will get additional inflows into their RA, CPF states that got 2 ways to make use of the new money:



So how do I calculate which is more "worth it" for my folks huh?, i.e. if I go for AMP, how much will $n of inflow last my parent for how long ($(n/10) for 10 mths, ($n/24) for 2 years, ($n/72) for 8years?)? On the other hand, if I buy annuity, although will last for life, will I like get $0.50 per month?
This one have to use CPF Life payout calculator for a more accurate figure.

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This one have to use CPF Life payout calculator for a more accurate figure...

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I did I did, but as you can see above, the calculator is not suitable to paint an accurate future-projection for folks who have already "exhausted" their RA balance one round to secure a CPF Life plan, and it also doesn't allow me to key in a top-up amount (from a child), and consequently (without keying in this top-up amount), it will not be able to project how much potential AMP I can secure (over how long a period), or the amount of per-month payout if I wish to purchase additional annuity? Which is my actual qn (& not how much CPF Life I will get if I'm new to CPF Life for the first time)...

I have also tried to go through the initial few steps to "try to" buy an annuity from my folk's RA balance, but all the steps leading up to the "Submit" stage offer no calculation, no projection of potential per-month payout other than the line, "I am applying for an additional annuity. The additional annuity will be based on the same plan type as my existing CPF LIFE plan". So if I'm getting $X-amount from my current annuity for life, does that sentence just clear-cut mean I'll get $2X for life? I'm not too confident of that too...

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I did I did, but as you can see above, the calculator is not suitable to paint an accurate future-projection for folks who have already "exhausted" their RA balance one round to secure a CPF Life plan, and it also doesn't allow me to key in a top-up amount (from a child), and consequently (without keying in this top-up amount), it will not be able to project how much potential AMP I can secure (over how long a period), or the amount of per-month payout if I wish to purchase additional annuity? Which is my actual qn (& not how much CPF Life I will get if I'm new to CPF Life for the first time)...

I have also tried to go through the initial few steps to "try to" buy an annuity from my folk's RA balance, but all the steps leading up to the "Submit" stage offer no calculation, no projection of potential per-month payout other than the line, "I am applying for an additional annuity. The additional annuity will be based on the same plan type as my existing CPF LIFE plan". So if I'm getting $X-amount from my current annuity for life, does that sentence just clear-cut mean I'll get $2X for life? I'm not too confident of that too...

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Because CPF never disclose any exact formula to the public, the calculator will give you the most accurate answer compared to us... :(

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Because CPF never disclose any exact formula to the public...

Yeah, I'm starting to sense that...

...the calculator will give you the most accurate answer compared to us... :(...

But you do agree I cannot use that calculator to find out what I want right? Or got another calculator where I can key in top-up amount?

Actually I'm hoping the more experienced folks can guide me based on what they observed empirically if they got top-up for their parents and have to make the same decision I have to...
 

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Actually I'm hoping the more experienced folks can guide me based on what they observed empirically if they got top-up for their parents and have to make the same decision I have to...

If I were you, I will write in to CPF with the exact scenario you've given and ask for written confirmation based on the figures you've provided for the AMP to be worked out.
 

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Hi fellows, for RSTU to parents, in other words, the parents will get additional inflows into their RA, CPF states that got 2 ways to make use of the new money:



So how do I calculate which is more "worth it" for my folks huh?, i.e. if I go for AMP, how much will $n of inflow last my parent for how long ($(n/10) for 10 mths, ($n/24) for 2 years, ($n/72) for 8years?)? On the other hand, if I buy annuity, although will last for life, will I like get $0.50 per month?

You are implying that your parent has started cpf payout and that you are going to top up his RA.

Firstly, is your parent under RSS or CPFL?

First batch under mandatory CPFL has not commenced payout.

If parent under RSS, your top-ups will just increase their monthly payout up to around 85yo to 90yo (depending on his RA balance) when the RA is exhausted.
 

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You are implying that your parent has started cpf payout and that you are going to top up his RA.

Firstly, is your parent under RSS or CPFL?...

Yes, under CPF Life Plus plan. Collecting payout for a while already...
 

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Yes, under CPF Life Plus plan. Collecting payout for a while already...

Allow me to explain the current CPF Life policies/rules first, it should help u understand the rules for the old cohorts.

1. At 55, CPFB will transfer SA/OA to RA to form FRS.

2. If RA is not at FRS, whenever the member request to withdraw from SA/OA, CPFB will first transfer monies from SA/OA to RA to help the member meet FRS before any excess monies can be withdrawn

3. At 65 (payout eligibility age PEA), CPFB will do another transfer from SA/OA to RA if FRS still not met, before allowing any request to withdraw.

4. As of now, I cannot find any CPF rules about what will happen to the SA/OA if FRS not met after 65 to 70, but I assume CPFB will continue to do #2 above. (it does not affect me, so I never seek clarifications from CPFB)

5. At 70, if the member did not choose CPF Life Plan, CPFB will put the member under Standard Plan. Before this, I suspect (see #4) CPFB will transfer any monies in OA/SA to RA if FRS still not meet before “locking” this amt into CPF Life. But if RA did not meet the minimum required to auto join CPF Life, CPFB will “not force” the member to join.

6. There is no information what will happen if FRS still not met after 70. So I suspect the member should be free to withdraw monies in OA/SA if any, plus option to join CPF Life with whatever is left in RA or payout starts under RSS.

Ok your senior citizen CPF member is under CPF Life Plus Plan. This is the predecessor of the now Standard Plan. Under CPF Life Plus, all the RA balance was transferred to the CPF Life Pool at 55. If I am not wrong (I cannot find the history), since it is similar to Standard Plan, extra interest of 1%+1% on first 30k and 60k of combined CPF balances also go into the Pool. U can check your yearly CPF statements to see where those interest are posted.

As I explained above, once the member joined CPF Life, CPFB should stop any pre-withdrawal transfers from SA/OA to RA for the member. U can write to CPFB to double confirm this.

(Now that CPFB changed the rules to allow the member to opt to join CPF Life at 65 instead of “forced” joining at 55 in the past, CPF can do another “lock” on the OA/SA monies for new members - “hidden agenda”. By changing the rules again to set final age to 70 for forced joining, I suspect, they can execute the “hidden agenda” again the final round – but this is not clearly defined at the CPF website, so I might be wrong for the age 70 rules)

So now your senior citizen member already started CPF Life payouts, if he wants to transfer monies in OA to RA, based on CPF rules, all monies in SA will be emptied first, followed by OA.

If u topup RA after joining CPF Life at 55 (new CPF rules for new members is after CPF Life payout starts), those monies will sit in RA to earn 4% interest. CPFB will do an annual review and will stream out the monies in RA as additional mthly payout (AMP) if u did not request to buy additional annuity with all the balance in RA.

a. If u request to buy additional annuity, I suspect it will be the Standard Plan, pls write to CPFB to confirm. Under Standard Plan, all the monies will be transferred from RA to CPF Life Pool. If the member die earlier than expected, he loses potential 4% pa. interest on the monies. He already lost the extra interest as I explained above.

b. If he prefers CPFB to stream the monies out as additional mthly payout, RA will earn 4% pa, but the monies together with interest will be used to calculate the AMP amt to last till 90/when RA will be zero. CPF website state a few mths before AMP starts, they will calculate and inform the member of the AMP amt. (Uncle Henry might be able to help u estimate? He is the expert on this)

I think I have answered all your questions?

I shared the above with another forumer last year who also ask about the same old plan, pls read. Hope it helps

Always talk to CPFB to get estimates and complete understanding. meet up with them.

Most people here dun understand old CPF rules or old CPF Life Plans

I have not read thru all your posts yet, dun have time yet.
 
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Hi, can anyone advise if the amount used from oa for property will affect the total withdrawal amount at age 55? For both scenarios where the oa + sa hit FRS and BRS at age 55 and property fully paid.
 
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