CPF interest for 2016

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I stated that its divided by 12 as its the only way in which I can get the exact interest amount credited. This divide by 12 method was tested on my interest and your dad's interest and it matched as stated in the post. The sample size is small, hence I requested for feedback if it doesn't work for others.

I tried using day count but couldn't get the exact interest credited.
mm... for me, between "divide by 12" and "divide by 365", the monthly method gave a result much closer to the actual interest... off by a few cents.

I'll agree with angtc11 here, that "divide by 12" seems to be more accurate.
 

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Agreed.

You should also be aware that, unlike RSTU contributions to SA/RA, your Voluntary Contribution to MA must fit within the CPF Annual Limit of $37,740. If it doesn't then CPF will return whatever amount exceeded the Annual Limit. You won't get interest or tax relief on the excess. So you should only take advantage of this "loophole" if you are at least reasonably confident you won't exceed the Annual Limit.

Wow this is just great.
 

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Agreed.

You should also be aware that, unlike RSTU contributions to SA/RA, your Voluntary Contribution to MA must fit within the CPF Annual Limit of $37,740. If it doesn't then CPF will return whatever amount exceeded the Annual Limit. You won't get interest or tax relief on the excess. So you should only take advantage of this "loophole" if you are at least reasonably confident you won't exceed the Annual Limit.

How they arrived at $37,740?

If someone is earning more than $6k pm, employer and employee total contribution will be 37% of $6k == $2220.

37740/2220 == 17 months == 12 months + AWS + 4 months bonus!
 

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Not forgetting there is a $80k relief cap in 2017. It will affect mothers with WMCR.
 

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Is the enets payment working yet? I tried top up twice on 2 Jan but failed.
 

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Cash flow should not be affected while targeting these interest.

I am targeting progressive top up throughout the months.
 

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Why cannot divide by 12? It is a monthly interest isn't it?

Henry, so far did CPF ever calculate your interests wrongly? I am just wondering if there is a need to calculate ourselves.

I just calculated my OA interest after not doing it for years. This time round, I can't get the numbers close :o The difference is $31.xx.

For those who want to calculate the interest, the formula is as such.
1) List down lowest End Of Day balance for each month
2) Multiply lowest End of Day balance by interest rate for the account type and divide by 12 to get the monthly interest
3) Round each of the monthly interest to 2 decimal places
4) Sum up the monthly interest to get the final interest credited

Note that the bonus 1% interest is credited into SA

I was able to match the interest credited for my accounts and also against henrylbh calculations. Do reply if you are not able to match your interest credited.

If the above is correct, CPF interest calculation is very unconventional. Firstly, it takes the lowest balance of the month, secondly it does not consider day count and thirdly it rounds the interest at 2 decimal places each month

I stated that its divided by 12 as its the only way in which I can get the exact interest amount credited. This divide by 12 method was tested on my interest and your dad's interest and it matched as stated in the post. The sample size is small, hence I requested for feedback if it doesn't work for others.

I tried using day count but couldn't get the exact interest credited.

Would you like to try and calculate for me, if I provide the running balance of my OA by whatever method you like and see whether you get the CPF interest that I was credited with?

I am :o that I can't get it right this time round. I keep staring at my worksheet and still got differences of $31.64 and $31.16 and $31.33 using different means.
 
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I just calculated my OA interest after not doing it for years. This time round, I can't get the numbers close :o The difference is $31.xx.





Would you like to try and calculate for me, if I provide the running balance of my OA by whatever method you like and see whether you get the CPF interest that I was credited with?

I am :o that I can't get it right this time round. I keep staring at my worksheet and still got differences of $31.64 and $31.16 and $31.33 using different means.

I don't mind as I have done up a calculator, but you need to be ok to reveal all the posting date and amount plus the initial balance. Maybe you pm me the transactions on your account then I plug them in tonight and revert.
 

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mm... for me, between "divide by 12" and "divide by 365", the monthly method gave a result much closer to the actual interest... off by a few cents.

I'll agree with angtc11 here, that "divide by 12" seems to be more accurate.

I suspect that it's due to the lowest balance determination. I had to do it a few times before getting the correct balances. From then on, the calculation is trivial
 

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Henry, either your calculation is screwed up or CPF is screwing us all. I think I am trusting the latter more. :s13:
 

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Henry, either your calculation is screwed up or CPF is screwing us all. I think I am trusting the latter more. :s13:

My maths has always been in the red and at most it just above passing marks :o Can check for me? You may be right in trusting the latter more :s13:

I don't mind as I have done up a calculator, but you need to be ok to reveal all the posting date and amount plus the initial balance. Maybe you pm me the transactions on your account then I plug them in tonight and revert.

Here go my details as per CPF statement. Don’t pry for more info. I work part-time with no CPF contributions.

First time I am having problem getting it right or very close, no matter how I fiddle with the numbers :o In the process I may have ‘discovered’ that interest is calculated more than just based on the lowest amount in each month. My earlier calculation threw out a difference of more than $31 :s22: Now the difference is about $3.72, 3.73, 4.32 and 4.47 depending on what I do with the numbers with no problem in the past. Something is amiss.

Sorry pic withdrawn for recalculation.
 
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Does anyone know when the CPF Yearly Statement of Account for 2016 will be made available. The latest is still the 2015 statement. (I'm referring to the fancy colorful dashboard PDF version. )
 

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Does anyone know when the CPF Yearly Statement of Account for 2016 will be made available. The latest is still the 2015 statement. (I'm referring to the fancy colorful dashboard PDF version. )

Don't know for sure.
Just for reference, statement for 2015 colored hardcopy rec'd in early-mid Feb 2016, and just my guesstimate that the online pdf copy is available probably a week or two before that.
 

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Does anyone know when the CPF Yearly Statement of Account for 2016 will be made available. The latest is still the 2015 statement. (I'm referring to the fancy colorful dashboard PDF version. )

2015 statement was dated 7th jan 2016.
Should be available soon.
 

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I don't mind as I have done up a calculator, but you need to be ok to reveal all the posting date and amount plus the initial balance. Maybe you pm me the transactions on your account then I plug them in tonight and revert.

I managed to bring down the difference to 1c. But there is no room for such maths. It has to be perfect. So there is still something I cannot understand.

In the process of recalculation to reach the 1c difference, I discovered -

a) a later date with higher balance was used to determine the interest! That because an amount in the later date is determined to originate at the beginning of the month.

Example -
1 Jan balance $10
2 Jan balance $8
3 Jan balance $12

3 Jan balance was recognised as the increase is due to transfer of balance, between accounts, existing on 1 Jan. (That was actually overflow of interest earned last year but credited on 3 Jan). In other word, it does not strictly follow chronological order :s22:

b) a date that has 2 credit entries, the first entry making the lowest balance is recognised for interest calculation. Sucks that depends on the person which entry he wants to input first :s13: Here it strictly follow timing in chronological order :s22:

Example -
1 Mar balance $10 brought forward
1 Mar balance $8
1 Mar balance $12
31 Mar balance $12 carried forward

1 Mar with balance of $8 was recognised as the lowest balance although on the same day there were a deduction of $2 and a credit of $4.

I would have thought that deduction and credit on the same date should be netted off to determined the lowest balance at the end of that day. But no :s22:

That's how I lost $31 as there was a deduction of $100 to bring the balance to the lowest and then followed by a credit of $15,000 on the same date that was not recognised :s22:
 

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Does anyone know when the CPF Yearly Statement of Account for 2016 will be made available. The latest is still the 2015 statement. (I'm referring to the fancy colorful dashboard PDF version. )

Waiting for my suggestion to be reflected in the statement? I suggested that they show amount used for housing and accrued interest. :s13: that would alarm some people.
 
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