Electric toothbrush

[fireal]

I Use mine aa vibrator

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[WussRedXLi]

I just received my Pro 3000 from Qoolife. It is a local set with beste warranty card.
But different from online descriptions and whats was discussed here, is that it has 4 cleaning modes, Daily, Sensitive, Whitening and Gum Care, instead of 3 modes.

Inside my manual, it also state the 2000 has 3 modes, Daily, Sensitive and Gum Care. It seems the version Singapore has is different from other countries. It's seems our 3000's feature is like the 4000 in other countries, and our 2000 is like the 3000 in other countries in term of features.

Interesting, so when you try to cycle through all the modes, you really get 4 on your 3000?

Anyway,

 

[WussRedXLi]

can advise which Taobao replacement head to buy, for the Oral-B Pro 2500?

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z0d.6639537.1997196601.13.nTYXwb&id=542508977930

Get the sensitive soft bristle one, in which the softness is very close to the original precision clean. This is just a very basic soft bristle brush that's ok for general daily use, don't expect too much from it. Just that i have used it and i don't really feel any difference with my brushing.

 

[Ender]

Interesting, so when you try to cycle through all the modes, you really get 4 on your 3000?

Ya, I cycled thru 4 different modes. Even on my box it says 3x premium features + 1 daily mode. Whitening is not suppose to be there for the 3000 in other countries, but it says it has here on my box and manual. Mine comes with 3 brush heads, precison, crossaction and the whitening.

 

[Ender]

can advise which Taobao replacement head to buy, for the Oral-B Pro 2500?

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z0d.6639537.1997196601.13.nTYXwb&id=542508977930

I got this 3rd party ones. Cheapest, $10 for 20 pcs.
http://www.lazada.sg/20pcs-electric...nt-bristles-dental-carekit-intl-11540424.html

 

[WussRedXLi]

Ya, I cycled thru 4 different modes. Even on my box it says 3x premium features + 1 daily mode. Whitening is not suppose to be there for the 3000 in other countries, but it says it has here on my box and manual. Mine comes with 3 brush heads, precison, crossaction and the whitening.

I checked Courts and they only list 3 modes here. It's likely that the retail set sold all over SG has 3 modes as well. Not sure exactly which region is the set that you've got liao...

http://www.courts.com.sg/braun-oral-b-professional-care-3000-toothbrush-d205354m-ip045188-m.html

3 customized brushing modes: Daily Clean, Sensitive, Polish

3 heads are also provided by the local retail set though.

But seriously, once everything has settled after a few days, you will always use full power...... Else why spend the extra $$$ when a 7600 oscillation and no pulsation AA DB4010 one would also suffice (which still cleans great actually).
Coz seriously IMO, 2 mins (30 secs per quadrant) is really a bit on the short side to cover everything. That's why i prefer to use 2 simultaneously so 2 mins more than suffices as each brush covers 2 quadrants only, and sometimes i swap out to the Philips sonicare.

 

[osirisx]

My around 3yo oral b can't seem to hold its charge
Needs to be plugged in all the time and seems to be losing intensity when brushing

Time to scout for a new one?
Any model to recommend?
Oral b pro 500 good? Or should I stick to vitality?

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[WussRedXLi]

My around 3yo oral b can't seem to hold its charge
Needs to be plugged in all the time and seems to be losing intensity when brushing

Time to scout for a new one?
Any model to recommend?
Oral b pro 500 good? Or should I stick to vitality?

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Rechargeable models are like that, from 2 yr on they'll start to lose it esp if you are a frequent user....mentioned before.

Some people find this to be ok, i find it a bit unacceptable if you are paying > $40 per brush. This is especially so for me coz i am in charge of my own immediate family's oral health and we have 4 family members (me, wife and 2 kids). My mum and MIL are users as well and i sometimes do pay for some of their stuff. Can you imagine if every 2-3 years i have to refresh the whole line-up?
Hence that is why it's always the cheapest per unit for me with the highest oscillation @ 8800 and even 20k pulsations is enough. Eg cheapest deal Pro 1000, Pro 600, Pro 690 is fine - all are 8800 and 20k pul. In fact my mum and MIL are using the AA DB4010 model, good enough.

If one is anal and want "Extreme cleaning" and your teeth/gums are healthy and can take it, like i always said, just stick 2 of the cheapest Pro models into your mouth simultaneously. For me no issue coz multiple handles, multiple users. After all, Oral B's Deep Clean mode is 3 mins long.

The design of the AA model suck though, that i'd agree. May or may not bother you.
That's why initially i bought quite a couple of this, as i used 2 of them simultaneously...after i got tired of changing out the rechargeables. After that i mixed in the AA Sonicare just for fun. Then after i got infinitely more seriously about oral health, i tried the Pro models as recent years from early 2010s onwards, online buying became more accessible and easier.

Pro 500 is 7600 oscillations with 20k pulsations/min, btw.
"3D" is oral b speak for oscillations + pulsations.



PS.

Some here have anecdotal evidence that the "3D" action ie models that incorporate pulsations make a big difference. For me i cannot really give any comments on that coz i already have gotten my oral health good enough even with the AA models that have oscillations only, so seriously i don't have much plague to remove in the first place.

But I still think the pulsations is still a good-to-have coz it does not cost a lot more anyway, just get those models with 20k is also fine and the best bit is that they are significantly cheaper vs the 40k pul models on ebay/carousell/amazon/whatever.....

And besides, one must also understand the overall picture. A water flosser/oral irrigator still run circles around whatever the sonic/fluid dynamics action of whatever electric toothbrush that you may be using. It's like comparing a hypercar vs a sedan in what it is dedicated to do, ie take care of the periodontal pockets and interproximal areas.
So essentially you are paying good money for something that achieves just 5% of what a water flosser can do ($30+ to $40 for the Panasonic)
For me i also do my own ultrasonic scaling, so the comparison range is even wider, end-result is something like F1 car vs sedan.

 

[osirisx]

Rechargeable models are like that, from 2 yr on they'll start to lose it esp if you are a frequent user....mentioned before.

Some people find this to be ok, i find it a bit unacceptable if you are paying > $40 per brush. This is especially so for me coz i am in charge of my own immediate family's oral health and we have 4 family members (me, wife and 2 kids). My mum and MIL are users as well and i sometimes do pay for some of their stuff. Can you imagine if every 2-3 years i have to refresh the whole line-up?
Hence that is why it's always the cheapest per unit for me with the highest oscillation @ 8800 and even 20k pulsations is enough. Eg cheapest deal Pro 1000, Pro 600, Pro 690 is fine - all are 8800 and 20k pul. In fact my mum and MIL are using the AA DB4010 model, good enough.

If one is anal and want "Extreme cleaning" and your teeth/gums are healthy and can take it, like i always said, just stick 2 of the cheapest Pro models into your mouth simultaneously. For me no issue coz multiple handles, multiple users. After all, Oral B's Deep Clean mode is 3 mins 45 seconds long.

The design of the AA model suck though, that i'd agree. May or may not bother you.
That's why initially i bought quite a couple of this, as i used 2 of them simultaneously...after i got tired of changing out the rechargeables. After that i mixed in the AA Sonicare just for fun. Then after i got infinitely more seriously about oral health, i tried the Pro models as recent years from early 2010s onwards, online buying became more accessible and easier.

Pro 500 is 7600 oscillations with 20k pulsations/min, btw.
"3D" is oral b speak for oscillations + pulsations.



PS.

Some here have anecdotal evidence that the "3D" action ie models that incorporate pulsations make a big difference. For me i cannot really give any comments on that coz i already have gotten my oral health good enough even with the AA models that have oscillations only, so seriously i don't have much plague to remove in the first place.

But I still think the pulsations is still a good-to-have coz it does not cost a lot more anyway, just get those models with 20k is also fine and the best bit is that they are significantly cheaper vs the 40k pul models on ebay/carousell/amazon/whatever.....

And besides, one must also understand the overall picture. A water flosser/oral irrigator still run circles around whatever the sonic/fluid dynamics action of whatever electric toothbrush that you may be using. It's like comparing a hypercar vs a sedan in what it is dedicated to do, ie take care of the periodontal pockets and interproximal areas.
So essentially you are paying good money for something that achieves just 5% of what a water flosser can do ($30+ to $40 for the Panasonic)
For me i also do my own ultrasonic scaling, so the comparison range is even wider, end-result is something like F1 car vs sedan.

So what's the cheapest model u recommend?
Pro 600/690?
Is water floss necessary? Heard stories of bleeding gums

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[Ender]

I checked Courts and they only list 3 modes here. It's likely that the retail set sold all over SG has 3 modes as well. Not sure exactly which region is the set that you've got liao...

http://www.courts.com.sg/braun-oral-b-professional-care-3000-toothbrush-d205354m-ip045188-m.html

3 customized brushing modes: Daily Clean, Sensitive, Polish

3 heads are also provided by the local retail set though.

But seriously, once everything has settled after a few days, you will always use full power...... Else why spend the extra $$$ when a 7600 oscillation and no pulsation AA DB4010 one would also suffice (which still cleans great actually).
Coz seriously IMO, 2 mins (30 secs per quadrant) is really a bit on the short side to cover everything. That's why i prefer to use 2 simultaneously so 2 mins more than suffices as each brush covers 2 quadrants only, and sometimes i swap out to the Philips sonicare.

Check the Oral B singapore site, 4 modes.

Rechargeable with 3 premium features plus Daily clean: Gum care, Sensitive, Whitening and Daily clean

http://www.oralb.com.sg/en-sg/products/professional-care-3000-toothbrush
I believe mine is the local set, as I have the Beste Warranty Card, and the box matched the above quote. Courts may have mistakenly removed the Gum Care mode in their description. And if Courts were the 3 modes version, it shouldn't have Whitening/Polish mode in their description. It should be just Daily, Sensitive and Gum Care for the 3 modes.

I just beginning to suspect we are getting the 4000 handle but market it with 3000 package for the D20.535.

Just a thing to note for those deciding on local or export set. The local may eventually be a 4000 equivalent (with 3 brush heads), and which after all not too expensive if you get from Qoolife after $20 + $20 discount during their promotion season. Cost only $70.

 

[WussRedXLi]

So what's the cheapest model u recommend?
Pro 600/690?
Is water floss necessary? Heard stories of bleeding gums

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Flossing/water flossing is necessary. As per medical research on NCBI, water flossing holds many advantages over string floss and is more effective. Search the earlier parts of the thread. Bleeding gums = already have problem.
It is not due to the flosser. For me and other regular users, we do not have bleeding gums issue when using that coz the gums are v healthy.
They bleed coz they are irritated due to inflammation. Whether or not that chronic inflammation causes any problem in the near future or long-term, that depends on many other factors.


Cheapest 8800 oscillation and 40k pulsations is the oral b 2500 on ebay. SGD63
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/Braun-Or...322452?hash=item2823faac14:g:ZywAAOSwo4pYIdfk
Has 2 modes, 1 full power Daily Clean and second mode throttled down Gum Care, shd those who have lousier gums be concerned with not able to adapt to full power upon first use.

8800 osc and 20k pulsation a bit difficult.
Ebay has this Pro 600 for SGD 45 but some may not like the Trizone head...though not a big problem esp if you are going to be using generic heads after that anyway.
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/Oral-B-T...164636?hash=item1c7718495c:g:gyMAAOSw4GVYRryq
Models with this spec are : Pro 1000, 690, 650, 600.

Pro 500, 450 are 7600 osc and 20k.

Else have to go on the various personal seller websites and search for BNIB sets liao. Sometimes can get v good deals.
Eg I got a Pro 1000 for just S$20, literally mint and battery cycles as tested to be mint as well (can use 16 cycles before red battery LED comes on, that's 8 days and official spec is 7 days) and seriously i don't need any brush heads as i'm using 3rd party anyway. Just last week, i recommended over here a Pro 2000 going for $40, brand new.
Of coz if buying "used" mint, a certain leap of faith is required.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Check the Oral B singapore site, 4 modes.

http://www.oralb.com.sg/en-sg/products/professional-care-3000-toothbrush
I believe mine is the local set, as I have the Beste Warranty Card, and the box matched the above quote. Courts may have mistakenly removed the Gum Care mode in their description. And if Courts were the 3 modes version, it shouldn't have Whitening/Polish mode in their description. It should be just Daily, Sensitive and Gum Care for the 3 modes.

I just beginning to suspect we are getting the 4000 handle but market it with 3000 package for the D20.535.

Just a thing to note for those deciding on local or export set. The local may eventually be a 4000 equivalent (with 3 brush heads), and which after all not too expensive if you get from Qoolife after $20 + $20 discount during their promotion season. Cost only $70.

Maybe so......next time go shopping centre look see for the number of modes for the 2000, 3000 etc.

Right now no promo from qoolife though. Can't get any coupons also....all taken.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Ok, share a story....just brushed my teeth with the Pro 1000 and Pro 690 (1 TB head, the other is original floss action head) and then water flossed.

Just a simple and easy to understand example, instead of quoting NCBI medical research experiments, stats and all those difficult to understand stuff.

Even with 2 x 3D toothbrushes making it a total of 2 x 2 min = 4 min brushing, the oral irrigator managed to remove heckloads of debris that was stuck interproximally (in between teeth). I had pork ribs for dinner just now. That's just the visible stuff. The oral irrigator can remove plague and disrupt biofilm over there and also the periodontal pockets, ie the gaps below the gum line.

NB. Technically oral irrigators can work and reach pretty deep till 7-8mm into the pockets (waterpik model, with the specialised pik pocket tip with soft rubber tip so you really can direct deep into interproximal and subgingivally below the gum line), for those with deep pockets coz super CMI KNS lousy gum health. For those normal pax with just regular not-so-good gums, any oral irrigator is great.

Pik pocket

 

[WussRedXLi]

Best 2 set is this. Pro 690 (8800 oscillations / min , 20000 pulsations / min)

http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/Braun-Or...554640?hash=item1a10799ad0:g:kiYAAOSwZtJW8sPK


Is more than enough. I seriously don't think there is going to much of a diff between 20000 and 40000 pulsations / min. The pulsations (sonic) is really very low in amplitude, don't think there is much fluid dynamics helping.

But this pulsation physical movement might make difference in helping the oscillations clean better, but that's just a guess from my part. Coz it is pulsating in another direction that is totally different from the 16 + 16 deg (32 deg total) circular oscillations. So i guess in this area it's helping a bit as a secondary effect.

Found a better deal for a 2-pack. (really no technical diff between 690 and 600)

Pro 600 is 8800 oscillations/min and 20000 pulsations / min.

Great for families, if getting 3 pack etc. Coz the shipping barely rises.

Amazon UK. SGD 69 for 2. Add 3% for CC forex conversion.

Or you can add some waterpik WF-03 cordless AA water flosser or something. Make the shipping more wu hua.

PS. Do remember to use GBP so that your CC conversion takes effect. Pay in SGD and you'll regret it as AMZ charges v lousy forex rates.

The new Waterpik WF-03 Cordless Freedom

 

[osirisx]

Ok, share a story....just brushed my teeth with the Pro 1000 and Pro 690 (1 TB head, the other is original floss action head) and then water flossed.

Just a simple and easy to understand example, instead of quoting NCBI medical research experiments, stats and all those difficult to understand stuff.

Even with 2 x 3D toothbrushes making it a total of 2 x 2 min = 4 min brushing, the oral irrigator managed to remove heckloads of debris that was stuck interproximally (in between teeth). I had pork ribs for dinner just now. That's just the visible stuff. The oral irrigator can remove plague and disrupt biofilm over there and also the periodontal pockets, ie the gaps below the gum line.

NB. Technically oral irrigators can work and reach pretty deep till 7-8mm into the pockets (waterpik model, with the specialised pik pocket tip with soft rubber tip so you really can direct deep into interproximal and subgingivally below the gum line), for those with deep pockets coz super CMI KNS lousy gum health. For those normal pax with just regular not-so-good gums, any oral irrigator is great.

Pik pocket

What oral irrigator do u recommend?

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[hellhole]

Found a better deal for a 2-pack. (really no technical diff between 690 and 600)

Pro 600 is 8800 oscillations/min and 20000 pulsations / min.

Great for families, if getting 3 pack etc. Coz the shipping barely rises.

Amazon UK. SGD 69 for 2. Add 3% for CC forex conversion.

Or you can add some waterpik WF-03 cordless AA water flosser or something. Make the shipping more wu hua.

PS. Do remember to use GBP so that your CC conversion takes effect. Pay in SGD and you'll regret it as AMZ charges v lousy forex rates.

The new Waterpik WF-03 Cordless Freedom

this cordless one looks good.. is there another type that is cordless? i quite like the fact that it takes AA batteries as i have rechargeable ones..

 

[WussRedXLi]

Powerful anecdotal evidence in one of the comments. Again i am sure most would have seen the medical research experiments on NCBI posted by me before, this is in layman speak :

The waterpik/flosser is by far the best single dental health act I've ever seen.
It invigorates the gums and literally stopped the regular gum bleeding that my mom experienced a long time ago. She was prescribed surgery , but fortunately learned of the waterpik ,, used it regularly with a bit of tetracycline (Listerine can be good, too), and never needed the surgery. Her bleeding gums became much healthier.
For me, I had a problem with recession and minor sensitive too (bleeding). After a few months of regular use, my gums improved and my dental hygienist was duly impressed. Frankly, it bugs me that every dentist doesn't highly recommend it. Good luck!

If you are knowledgeable enough and do your own due diligence in self-examination with a LED dental mirror etc, like i have said before, there is a very high chance that you do not need dental visits for these "issues" or at least cut down a big bulk of the follow-ups (saves both time and money is a nice touch as well) Of course if your oral health is pretty much f***ed or you have lots of problem areas, then you'd need professional assistance.
But seriously i myself have 2 problem areas and the biggest is an impacted wisdom teeth as it's PITA to keep clean without an irrigator, absolutely no issue despite many pax saying that it will definite cause problems (seriously how many years never take out already, been close to 30 years since it sprouted ).

Same thing goes for the air-conditioner FCU, no issue with efficiency, $$ bills, clogged pipes.

If you keep your mind to it, keep focused and disciplined, a lot can be done....

 

[WussRedXLi]

this cordless one looks good.. is there another type that is cordless? i quite like the fact that it takes AA batteries as i have rechargeable ones..

Yes, the Panasonic oral irrigator, there is a version that uses AA and there is another version that is rechargeable. Uses 2 x AA.

(remember to change your region at the top left corner to 中国大陆）
This is the Japan Domestic Model....
RMB 195
https://world.taobao.com/item/19850199508.htm?spm=a312a.7700825.1997196601.94.Uc9lLr


I am using this one. Some pax do not buy from Amazon regularly, so might have an issue hitting usd125 for free ship.
https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-EW...6716&sr=8-1&keywords=panasonic+oral+irrigator



The Waterpik WF-03 uses 3 x AA though. With good healthy NiMH, the batteries shd not be the limiting factor. With the Panasonic 2 x AA, you'd need pretty new NiMH.
ie I have some old Eneloops which still hold good charge, but i think the current delivery is not so good. Swap out to Amazonbasics AA (literally brand new), the difference in speed is noticeable. And swapping out to Alkalines, big big difference (Alkalines even slower). I am using 1.6V NiZn cells which can provide very good current but i don't think this is mainstream.

Ebay has tips but quite expensive. Taobao (Tmall) cheaper.
https://world.tmall.com/item/43856331814.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.yWX51G&skuId=78305905384

The Waterpik WF-03 uses PP-100E tips for subgingival irrigation. The WF-03 comes with 2 normal jet picks and 1 orthodontic (eg braces) tip.
I am thinking of getting this as my Panasonic is usable but old, will retire it solely to clean my aircon FCU. The PP-100E tip may not give me any improvement in gum health esp for periodontal pockets depth coz i do my own dental probing as well and seriously i have no issues as the pockets are 1-2mm only, but this looks really good and i can standby in case something lapses and i can get to work on it instantly.

WF-03 can be gotten from Amazon UK and US. Do your own sums as to which is cheaper.

But for those who are interested, do confirm yourself first if PP-100E is to be used with the Waterpik WF-03. As per literature below, PP-100E works with WF-03 water flosser, the PP-70E does not.

Waterpik® Water Flosser Tips Guide
https://www.waterpik.com/oral-health/buying-guide/water-flosser-tips-guide/

 

[yuri2]

The Panasonic irrigator is pretty good.
Used it for many years already.

 

[WussRedXLi]

What oral irrigator do u recommend?

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Regular pax with somewhat lousy gum health = panasonic oral irrigator. Enough. Good enough to access 3-4mm pockets with its jet tip (there is only 1 tip, of coz)

Those pax with really bad gum health, deep periodontal pockets who are aiming to really put their mind into it and improve his gum health and not rely on the dentist (huge amount of follow-up visits etc), looks like the Waterpik WF-03 with PP-100E is cool. This setup is expensive though, close to S$100 online prices.
But if the WF-03 is like a workhorse like the Panasonic oral irrigator, then it'd have paid for itself many times over vs dental visits....and minus the discomfort also.

Those with super deep pockets like 9-10mm bordering on abscess (eg my MIL's case which caused her to have various cardiac issues), i think can't be helped. Only pro help like in-office syringe irrigation can access the base of the pocket.
Too screwed up liao....blame it on the lifestyle.