Engineering Sample CPUs good choice for cpu upgrade?

[moleman4eva]

Whilst doing my research to upgrade my cpu which is bottlenecking my rig on the right. I came up with a few options

1. Find used hyperthreading cpu (i7 7700 maybe?) to swap out my i5 6500

2. Change entire motherboard and cpu to something newer (i could probably get a i5 10400f+mb combo for around 350++)

Option no 1 felt better to me due to the lower cost and in the midst of it, I came upon some ES cpus in Aliexpress. 140 for i7 6700? Damson sign me up!

Question is, besides the condition of the actual cpu itself, does it require special bios or specific motherboards to work?

Should i stick with other upgrade paths?

 

[GoldenStars]

IMO something like a b450/b550 board with whatever AM4 CPU that will fit your budget will be a better choice. For ~$100 you can get a 2nd hand r5 2600 that's gonna work much better for cpu intensive tasks like video editing or if you have more budget r5 3600 is a really great cpu. Not to mention ryzen 5000 series chips are also supported on these boards so you will still be able to upgrade in the future compared to if you upgrade to a 10400f which will kind of dead end your system and you will need to start this thread again instead of just replacing the cpu. Engineering sample I think shouldn't really be considered at that price IMO. If you're considering 10400f upgrade I will recommend a b450/b550 with a r5 3600 if you can find both at a similar price. Of course if the 10400f is much cheaper and future upgradability is not much of a problem for you then feel free to go for the 10400f

 

[86technie]

What is your budget?
BTW the board you are using is entry budget board.
If you want to upgrade the CPU, have you update the BIOS
to latest version.

Last release was 2018:

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B150M-BAZOOKA

My suggestion:

- Get a AMD Ryzen B450/B550 with AMD Ryzen 3.
This is for the long run despite it will cost you a lot.

- Look for Intel i5 7 series with a better B250M board like this:

https://www.carousell.sg/p/gigabyte...uery=Intel i5 7500&t-referrer_sort_by=popular

Difference between B150M and B250M is the memory support.
B150M only supports up to DDR4-2133 while B250M supports DDR4-2400.
It's not a Z chipset so the RAM speed can't be OC or increase to DDR4-2400.

However you can use a Intel Core 7 series but the RAM speed will limited to DDR4-2133.
Second hand Intel 8 series CPU with mobo are hard to find and they won't be cheap.

I will advice not to get Engineering sample, they maybe cheap but those are used for testing purposes.
If you are looking for cheaper CPU upgrade option than go for Intel i5, Intel i7 like 7700 even on second hand market it fetches a really high price.

As some are still using Intel 7 series to play games.

- Reinstall Windows from fresh (PS not reset)
As well as run Samsung magician check for any SSD firmware and
what is the SSD health.

For now if you have not install a fresh copy of Windows, maybe you want to do this first as well as mobo BIOS update while considering what to upgrade.

 

[Koenig168]

Whilst doing my research to upgrade my cpu which is bottlenecking my rig on the right. I came up with a few options

1. Find used hyperthreading cpu (i7 7700 maybe?) to swap out my i5 6500

2. Change entire motherboard and cpu to something newer (i could probably get a i5 10400f+mb combo for around 350++)

Option no 1 felt better to me due to the lower cost and in the midst of it, I came upon some ES cpus in Aliexpress. 140 for i7 6700? Damson sign me up!

Question is, besides the condition of the actual cpu itself, does it require special bios or specific motherboards to work?

Should i stick with other upgrade paths?

1. i5-6500 to i7-6700 will get you a roughly 10% increase in clock speed and HT. Barely noticeable increase in performance for gaming. For applications which can benefit from HT, performance will be better but still not worth the upgrade.

2. The better option. There's also Ryzen to consider as others have mentioned.

 

[wwenze]

If you don't mind instabilities and weird stuff happening.

Then again if AMD can release CPUs with USB bugs...

 

[NightRaven49]

if ur comfortable with buying from aliexpress, then u should be comfortable with buying from taobao. on taobao, there are r5 3600 + mobo combos for under $300, and the mobos on offer arent shabby either (think msi b450). not only is this upgrade comparable to getting a 10400f (which is substantially faster than a 6700), it also opens up ur upgrade path to far more powerful cpus than what intel has to offer.

 

[ondooy]

good enough , choose those QS stepping as these are close to retail.
don't use BO, B1 steppings.

 

[wwenze]

good enough , choose those QS stepping as these are close to retail.
don't use BO, B1 steppings.

You know this statement has no meaning unless you also specify the processor model?

Or the fact that there are released processors with B1 stepping?

 

[soltrdc]

Intel 10th Gen and Ryzen Zen 2 are going for real bargain prices these days. If you want 4 cores, you can even get a brand new i3 10100 (equivalent to 7700K) or a Ryzen 3 3100/3300X (even better) for $140 - $200. Or get a 10 core 10850K at $600 and be set for the next 5 - 7 years. Other than purely out of interest, I don't get why would anyone bother with a 6700, ES or not.

Edit: unless you absolutely must stick with your LGA1151 mobo. But for that chipset, you can't use anything more than a 7th gen. So really not that many options.

Think about it: You're stepping up from 6th gen i5 to 6th gen i7 for $140 in this day when Skylake is already in it's 6th year, vs. getting a current, brand new and not worn out, 10th gen CPU with a budget board (B460) for just an additional $200 or less. You get zero IPC gain, zero chipset improvements, zero motherboard feature upgrades, not even more cores, nothing. Just paying $140 for 200MHz higher max clock speed, provided the ES performs like the retail version. Will it even hit and sustain that boost speed is also questionable. Is this really an upgrade at all? Most likely you will see absolutely no real performance gain for your $140. I don't see any value in option 1 whatsoever.

 

[claypot_king]

Whilst doing my research to upgrade my cpu which is bottlenecking my rig on the right. I came up with a few options

1. Find used hyperthreading cpu (i7 7700 maybe?) to swap out my i5 6500

2. Change entire motherboard and cpu to something newer (i could probably get a i5 10400f+mb combo for around 350++)

Option no 1 felt better to me due to the lower cost and in the midst of it, I came upon some ES cpus in Aliexpress. 140 for i7 6700? Damson sign me up!

Question is, besides the condition of the actual cpu itself, does it require special bios or specific motherboards to work?

Should i stick with other upgrade paths?

Most likely they will sell u i7 6400 es, the 2ghz version of i7 6700.

Used to be a good deal back in 2016, but now please get a ryzen.

 

[moleman4eva]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I guess it's time for a rig refresh. New mobo + cpu(I think I'll try ryzen this time around) and maybe I'll add in a m.2 ssd too.

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[congster2]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I guess it's time for a rig refresh. New mobo + cpu(I think I'll try ryzen this time around) and maybe I'll add in a m.2 ssd too.

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Actually what do you mean by bottleneck? Which component is getting bottlenecked?
The graphics card?

 

[moleman4eva]

I'm constantly hitting 100% usage during gaming. It's causing my games to have micro freezes.

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[wwenze]

When is the last time you did a clean reinstall

 

[86technie]

I'm constantly hitting 100% usage during gaming. It's causing my games to have micro freezes.

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All the games? Maybe you want to consider reinstall Windows from fresh. (PS fresh install is not Windows reset.)

Suspect could be Windows update so have you check any pending updates?

 

[Yongkit]

I'm constantly hitting 100% usage during gaming. It's causing my games to have micro freezes.

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this is interesting one, your CPU + GPU actually quite balance setup, wondering what game you are playing so CPU intensive as your monitors Dell Ultrasharp u2515h was 1440p @ 60Hz should be able to utilised GPU more than CPU.

may I suggest your enable DSR in nvidia panel setting at x2 then try playing the game again at 4k scaling check and see if the game still cause your system to be 100% utilization?

 

[moleman4eva]

this is interesting one, your CPU + GPU actually quite balance setup, wondering what game you are playing so CPU intensive as your monitors Dell Ultrasharp u2515h was 1440p @ 60Hz should be able to utilised GPU more than CPU.

may I suggest your enable DSR in nvidia panel setting at x2 then try playing the game again at 4k scaling check and see if the game still cause your system to be 100% utilization?

I initially thought my aio up lorry but the temps are fine. Plus I'm not even pushing AAA titles. Mostly warzone, Division 2, Fallen Order. Cpu goes 90 to 100% while gpu sits around 80%

Let me run my pc check ur suggestion

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[moleman4eva]

this is interesting one, your CPU + GPU actually quite balance setup, wondering what game you are playing so CPU intensive as your monitors Dell Ultrasharp u2515h was 1440p @ 60Hz should be able to utilised GPU more than CPU.

may I suggest your enable DSR in nvidia panel setting at x2 then try playing the game again at 4k scaling check and see if the game still cause your system to be 100% utilization?

First pic is idle pc

Second pic is on normal setting game running

Third pic is dsr on with upscale. Fps dropped but gpu usage is lower/about the same. Cpu remains at 100%

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[Yongkit]

First pic is idle pc

Second pic is on normal setting game running

Third pic is dsr on with upscale. Fps dropped but gpu usage is lower/about the same. Cpu remains at 100%

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many thanks for the screenshots

may i know if your power profile is on high performance?

and it seems you have multiple apps active at the task bar while you are playing game?

 

[moleman4eva]

Power is on high. Open apps mostly is discord, torrent and a few game launchers

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