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A lot of my office people asking Singtel to offer eSIM is not as what you describe (maybe true in your context) but there's another aspect.

Our office are issued with iPhone with Singtel SIM. They want to avoid carry 2 phones as their personal line with either Singtel or Starhub.

To get dual SIM feature on iPhone, one has to be eSIM. So end up, a lot went to M1 after their contract end simply to get eSIM to enable dual SIM on office iphone.

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Reason is the same what. They want to use two numbers on the same phone.

Singtel/StarHub - no choice. Office SIM. Physical SIM.

M1 - personal line, got choice, esim.

In the end all want to make use of the 1 x physical SIM card slot and esim slot on their iPhones.

same as if one has a main line (sg esim - got choice), go overseas physical Sim (no choice).

That’s why they want Singtel/StarHub to have esim.

What is the difference here?
 

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Reason is the same what. They want to use two numbers on the same phone.

Singtel/StarHub - no choice. Office SIM. Physical SIM.

M1 - personal line, got choice, esim.

In the end all want to make use of the 1 x physical SIM card slot and esim slot on their iPhones.

same as if one has a main line (sg esim - got choice), go overseas physical Sim (no choice).

That’s why they want Singtel/StarHub to have esim.

What is the difference here?
Difference is that they don't care which card should be physical or esim as long got dual SIM on iPhone.

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Difference is that they don't care which card should be physical or esim as long got dual SIM on iPhone.

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they need to care becos that is not under their control. they have nothing they can do with the singtel card becos it can never be esim. so they are forced to go for m1 on their person line which is their main line even they dun like it they also no choice. only m1 can be esim. as since company sim card is singtel, they have nothing can be done.
 
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they need to care becos that is not under their control. they have nothing they can do with the singtel card becos it can never be esim. so they are forced to go for m1 on their person line which is their main line even they dun like it they also no choice. only m1 can be esim. as since company sim card is singtel, they have nothing can be done.
Now there’s another choice for eSIM : Circle.Life…
 

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certainly not. i already explained the reasons why it is not above.

like i said, not all countries all telcos have esim. physical sim is a safer bet. reserve the physical sim slot to uncertainties is a better move now.
if most thinks the way u said, there will not be so many people asking for red and green telcos to offer esim already, people know what are the best options to them.

So if you are on esim Singapore... Cannot use overseas?
 

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Now there’s another choice for eSIM : Circle.Life…

it is under m1 network also that's why it has esim. even myrepublic MVNOs which is under m1 can have it soon too.

problem is more on the red and green telcos. you have no other choice than m1 network or MVNOs under m1 for esim. for example, if u dun like m1 network, u have no choice but to sign m1 or circles life plans to have esim.

So if you are on esim Singapore... Cannot use overseas?

what are talking about?

if u are using iPhone, u only have 1 x esim slot and 1 x physical sim slot.
if u have used esim slot for local network, then u go overseas just use physical sim card slot la like i said in my previous post .
 

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reactivation = scan the OR again and add mobile plan.

you need to do it everytime u change device too. see the steps for a iPhone user to transfer esim to a new iphone. it is certainly not as straightforward as swapping a physical sim to another phone and use it straightaway, hassle free.

one can ask himself, how often u will change ur main line mobile plan? most people will likely to stick to it for years like at least two years if u have mobile contract with telco. pretty much within this two years u will never even change it to another phone. this is why esim for main line is good.

how often u will probably need to change second sim if u visit different countries within the two years? probably a few time a year?

one is one time for very long time, one is few times a year probably depending on how often u go overseas. most importantly, if u need to JB tmr for example, can u confirm that you can get hold of a esim the local telco there to use immediately? impossible. likely u cannot confirm if esim is even available there. for your info, in lion city, some telcos have esim but only for POSTPAID and not prepaid, if u are foreigner, u are unlikely to get a esim in a foreign too. i believe this should be the same for a lot of other countries.

would u rather deal with uncertainties like this or u would rather reserve ur physical sim card slot for overseas prepaid physical sim card use? the answer should be obvious.

i dun see a logic why some are saying the other ways round.

u go to all red and green telcos website, u can see many many are asking for esim, and this is for this reason. if the logic of using esim as secondary works for them, people will not even ask for it.

and yes, if u are iphone users, u need to reactivate ur facetime and imessage too, and it costs $$ to reactivate for certain telcos too. since it is main line, why one needs to go thru the hassle of this. why the prepaid sim card u get from overseas, u will never need to enable facetime or imessage for the numbers.

Just to make sure we are on the same page:
You can store multiple eSIM profiles in the same device (depends on manufacturer, but lowest I've heard is 8 for phones at any one time, which is plenty), and switching between them do not need to rescan QR code. You only need to rescan QR code if and only if you deleted it from the device.

iMessage/Facetime activation charge happens whenever new line is introduced, be it changing between eSIM profiles, or swapping SIM cards, if you accept the registration. Both lines will have to reregister when that happens, unless you specify which line to register only when setting up a brand new SIM (eSIM profile / physical SIM).

I've M1, Circles, Ubigi and Yoodo eSIM on my iPhone 11 Pro Max and switches between some of them regularly, while having StarHub Physical SIM inside the device too, sometimes take out to put in other telco SIMs (eg TPG).

I won't say whether main line in eSIM or physical SIM format is correct or wrong choice, but my preference is for it to still be physical SIM. If the next generation (or two) iPhone do require eSIM only, network operators worldwide do need to accept on their network asap, and putting in tourist eSIM won't be as confusing as now already.
May even push those global eSIM companies (eg Airalo) out of business, as their funds ran low due to correct pandemic and basically dry as lesser people get their plans for their next trip and opt for direct contact with the local providers instead.

I don't mind the physical SIM hassle, as I can always bring an older phone as backup anyway. Yes, not everyone has the luxury to do that, but the counterargument is that since you bought an iPhone or Pixel or flagship Galaxy devices, why don't you even have any money to purchase an old ex-flagship phone? No need to be few hundred dollars, you can get something like Galaxy S8 or iPhone 7 for not that much nowadays.
 
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So if you are on esim Singapore... Cannot use overseas?

eSIM doesn't mean you cannot do most things the physical SIM can't do.
I've M1 and CL eSIM and both can roam overseas, as long as you're on supported plan and enabled roaming beforehand.
Global eSIM operators (eg Ubigi) issue you eSIM profile that can logon the networks that they had roaming agreements on, as long as your plan allow.

While eSIM is roaming, your physical SIM can too. It's the exact same thing. Only thing different is that eSIM profile is limited to your current device only; once you change handset, you either had to get an eSIM compatible device and contact your carrier to reissue you a new QR code (modes of communication depends on your carrier), or if your new device must use physical SIM, you have to request for physical SIM replacement (which some operators may not have the capability and you're forced to give up on the line and/or number and port out).
 

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Just to make sure we are on the same page:
You can store multiple eSIM profiles in the same device (depends on manufacturer, but lowest I've heard is 8 for phones at any one time, which is plenty), and switching between them do not need to rescan QR code. You only need to rescan QR code if and only if you deleted it from the device.

iMessage/Facetime activation charge happens whenever new line is introduced, be it changing between eSIM profiles, or swapping SIM cards, if you accept the registration. Both lines will have to reregister when that happens, unless you specify which line to register only when setting up a brand new SIM (eSIM profile / physical SIM).

I've M1, Circles, Ubigi and Yoodo eSIM on my iPhone 11 Pro Max and switches between some of them regularly, while having StarHub Physical SIM inside the device too, sometimes take out to put in other telco SIMs (eg TPG).

I won't say whether main line in eSIM or physical SIM format is correct or wrong choice, but my preference is for it to still be physical SIM. If the next generation (or two) iPhone do require eSIM only, network operators worldwide do need to accept on their network asap, and putting in tourist eSIM won't be as confusing as now already.
May even push those global eSIM companies (eg Airalo) out of business, as their funds ran low due to correct pandemic and basically dry as lesser people get their plans for their next trip and opt for direct contact with the local providers instead.

I don't mind the physical SIM hassle, as I can always bring an older phone as backup anyway. Yes, not everyone has the luxury to do that, but the counterargument is that since you bought an iPhone or Pixel or flagship Galaxy devices, why don't you even have any money to purchase an old ex-flagship phone? No need to be few hundred dollars, you can get something like Galaxy S8 or iPhone 7 for not that much nowadays.

Yup, iPhone can store multple esims but can only use one at a time.

Yes, imessage need to reactivate when switching numbers no matter esims or physical sims.

the key reason why people are asking for esim on their main line such as Singtel/Starhub is to fully utilise the dual SIM feature of their iphone for convenience by carrying one handset. No matter u are in local/overseas, this make a big deal.

In local, one needs not bring two iPhones with him whenever he goes which he can have both personal/company lines active on his one single iPhone. Best part he can make full use of the data plan/talktime/sms available from both lines anytime to compliment the usage between the lines.

In overseas, one can do the same thing by buying a local physical sim there and again carry one iPhone only. Like i said, many foreign telcos do not even have esim yet, even they have, often they do not offer esim for prepaid plans.

i think what you mentioned about the backup phone such as affordability etc. is totally not related. As before apple add in dual sim to iPhone, people are already using two iphones for two different numbers like what i did now too.

what matter is the convenience of holding one iPhone afterall. it is a big deal to a lot of people.

and why esim needed to be on the main line, i had emphasised a lot in the earlier posts. i can tell u there are a lot of people are buying china/hong kong selling iPhones purposely because they want the two physical sims iPhones due to this reason too.

Apple make the exceptions for china market for such unique version of iPhones because of the market size and the resistance of esims there. u go china ur dual sim bought in lion city will be useless if u are on singtel/starhub becos you cannot afford to reserve the physical slot for the local sim card there.
 

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Yup, iPhone can store multple esims but can only use one at a time.

Yes, imessage need to reactivate when switching numbers no matter esims or physical sims.

the key reason why people are asking for esim on their main line such as Singtel/Starhub is to fully utilise the dual SIM feature of their iphone for convenience by carrying one handset. No matter u are in local/overseas, this make a big deal.

In local, one needs not bring two iPhones with him whenever he goes which he can have both personal/company lines active on his one single iPhone. Best part he can make full use of the data plan/talktime/sms available from both lines anytime to compliment the usage between the lines.

In overseas, one can do the same thing by buying a local physical sim there and again carry one iPhone only. Like i said, many foreign telcos do not even have esim yet, even they have, often they do not offer esim for prepaid plans.

i think what you mentioned about the backup phone such as affordability etc. is totally not related. As before apple add in dual sim to iPhone, people are already using two iphones for two different numbers like what i did now too.

what matter is the convenience of holding one iPhone afterall. it is a big deal to a lot of people.

and why esim needed to be on the main line, i had emphasised a lot in the earlier posts. i can tell u there are a lot of people are buying china/hong kong selling iPhones purposely because they want the two physical sims iPhones due to this reason too.

Apple make the exceptions for china market for such unique version of iPhones because of the market size and the resistance of esims there. u go china ur dual sim bought in lion city will be useless if u are on singtel/starhub becos you cannot afford to reserve the physical slot for the local sim card there.

Ya like I said, it depends on the user tbh and their use. No fixed answer to this, but yes, eSIM adoption is slow here and therefore our options is very limited.

That's what we all want, change.
 

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Ya like I said, it depends on the user tbh and their use. No fixed answer to this, but yes, eSIM adoption is slow here and therefore our options is very limited.

That's what we all want, change.

i dun refer to individual use cases, i am referring to majority.

majority are asking for esim for the reason i said. go to iphone threads, telco facebook pages, you can always see people asking singtel and starhub for the same old things - esim.

until then, for singtel or starhub users, their iphones dual sim have no use since there is no esim for them.
if m1 can do it since so long ago, there is no reason why singtel/starhub cannot. they purposely do not want to implement it. this is then the reason.
 
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i dun refer to individual use cases, i am referring to majority.

majority are asking for esim for the reason i said. go to iphone threads, telco facebook pages, you can always see people asking singtel and starhub for the same old things - esim.

until then, for singtel or starhub users, their iphones dual sim have no use since there is no esim for them.
if m1 can do it since so long ago, there is no reason why singtel/starhub cannot. they purposely do not want to implement it. this is then the reason.

What Singtel and StarHub commercial decision not to launch esim no one really knows other than they themselves.
 

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What Singtel and StarHub commercial decision not to launch esim no one really knows other than they themselves.

of course they themselves only will know.

but can certainly be sure that it is not technical issue but they had chosen not to.
 
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i dun refer to individual use cases, i am referring to majority.

majority are asking for esim for the reason i said. go to iphone threads, telco facebook pages, you can always see people asking singtel and starhub for the same old things - esim.

until then, for singtel or starhub users, their iphones dual sim have no use since there is no esim for them.
if m1 can do it since so long ago, there is no reason why singtel/starhub cannot. they purposely do not want to implement it. this is then the reason.

Majority is definitely overstatement. It's more like vocal minority.

Most people don't really care tbh, since their setup is always single sim. Overseas many of them chose the mifi (egg) instead, since it is much more convenient and can easily share in the group, with large amounts of data included. For shorter trips, get the data roaming plans from incumbents instead, this is why SingTel and StarHub doesn't want to lower their data roaming rates on their Postpaid plans, and M1 slowly raising prices for their Data Passport while limiting the data bundle usable for roaming to 10GB on its new plans.

You tell them get a local prepaid sim "cos it is cheaper", you're better off preparing a presentation for them with Q&A session that take hours to complete.
 
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I use to travel lots and have never used mifi. No no one I knew uses it. So I suspect I am indeed one of the minority.

Normally we will just buy either local SIM cards, Starhub Happy Roam prepaid or datapassport (M1)

I would certainly prefer the Hong Kong version of iPhone with 2x physical slots... gives one more choices to mix & match the telcos.
 

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I use to travel lots and have never used mifi. No no one I knew uses it. So I suspect I am indeed one of the minority.

Normally we will just buy either local SIM cards, Starhub Happy Roam prepaid or datapassport (M1)

I would certainly prefer the Hong Kong version of iPhone with 2x physical slots... gives one more choices to mix & match the telcos.

I use data roaming using our SIM card for short trips as well. More expensive but don't need to struggle trying to find a prepaid shop to buy etc. But now with TPG giving free 1GB/month roaming on supported countries on its plans and excess of $3/GB, maybe even Happy Roam is not needed alr.

If longer trips, see how, maybe buy the SIM cards at Qoo10/Shopee (ICC?) if possible, then bring over and use.
 

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I use to travel lots and have never used mifi. No no one I knew uses it. So I suspect I am indeed one of the minority.

Normally we will just buy either local SIM cards, Starhub Happy Roam prepaid or datapassport (M1)

I would certainly prefer the Hong Kong version of iPhone with 2x physical slots... gives one more choices to mix & match the telcos.

yup. this is certainly what most of us want.

no need to bring a second device and have the flexibility and convenience of using another sim card on our iphones unlike now. singtel and starhub users have no luck.
 

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Majority is definitely overstatement. It's more like vocal minority.

Most people don't really care tbh, since their setup is always single sim. Overseas many of them chose the mifi (egg) instead, since it is much more convenient and can easily share in the group, with large amounts of data included. For shorter trips, get the data roaming plans from incumbents instead, this is why SingTel and StarHub doesn't want to lower their data roaming rates on their Postpaid plans, and M1 slowly raising prices for their Data Passport while limiting the data bundle usable for roaming to 10GB on its new plans.

You tell them get a local prepaid sim "cos it is cheaper", you're better off preparing a presentation for them with Q&A session that take hours to complete.
agreed. without stats. any "majority" or "minority" claims is just by feel only.
 

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Majority is definitely overstatement. It's more like vocal minority.

Most people don't really care tbh, since their setup is always single sim. Overseas many of them chose the mifi (egg) instead, since it is much more convenient and can easily share in the group, with large amounts of data included. For shorter trips, get the data roaming plans from incumbents instead, this is why SingTel and StarHub doesn't want to lower their data roaming rates on their Postpaid plans, and M1 slowly raising prices for their Data Passport while limiting the data bundle usable for roaming to 10GB on its new plans.

You tell them get a local prepaid sim "cos it is cheaper", you're better off preparing a presentation for them with Q&A session that take hours to complete.
Ya. Me too. With my office travellers like once to twice per month, never care whether is office or personal card as eSIM as long got dual SIM.

Buying local card is only useful if you need local number for people to call without incurring voice roaming charges. But now with data call (wechat, WhatsApp & etc), not that important anymore.

Buying local card is always a chore and waste of time to queue up at airport especially when multiple arrival clashed at the same period. Beside scanning passport, they always sell only expensive plan (which you don't need) knowing you don't have a choice. Unless you have time, know where to buy off the street and speak local language, you might get a good deal. And try buying a local card at India, by the time it's approve, you are on your way back home.

Buying overseas card from Singapore (e.g. Qoo10), you need to know your trip schedule and buy in advance to overcome delivery duration.

With eSIM, online delivery, payment and activation, make so much sense to save on all such hassle.

Fortunately, I'm on Singtel enterprise roaming and I can't remember there are any countries not supported at all to save myself on such agony.

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