Extend ORD date

[Adamthng]

My son was enlisted on June 2011.Sign on regular from dec to may 2012
Fail the course and asked to terminate contract.Ord date was extended to Oct 2013.Received notification from CMPB on 15 May 2013 his new ORD is April 2014.Where is the justice ?

 

[ChickenRiceCrews]

err if i remb correctly only in BMT its 1 to 1. Once u pass out and in the UNIT posted to, 1 regular working day is 2 NSF working day.

Meaning if u sign on for 1 month as regular if u cancel the contract, u have to pay back 2 months of NSF day.

 

[Adamthng]

already sign the option form with the oct 2013 ord date.Lucky my son kept it,but they say they will change the ord date to April 2014 during the phone call,not need to agree,just change my son ORD date to 2014.Dont give a dammn to us, ask my son to appeal through email to her.Why need to appeal when his given ORD date is suppose to 24 OCt 2013.Is she trying to intimidate us with term such as the legal department.
Just piss off,hope god can punish this dictator from CMPB.Just suka suka changed the ORD date.He sign on during the BMT period,unless you took their backpayment.

 

[BlitzStryker]

Dun quite get your dates,like quite confusing. For eg,enlisted on June 2011.Sign on regular from dec to may 2011? You mean Dec 2011 to May 2012 or?

If I am not wrong,it is part of policy. Signing on dun not include your national service if I am not wrong? Since your son sign on from Dec 2011 to May 2012 which is 5-6months,thus they extend your ord by the same amt of time.

Ask your son to check the clauses of the contract when he sign and what happens when he break bond. Although I rem some of my frens experience similar things like that in the past,but I could not confirm if the clause/policy still the same now..

Btw the situation also depends on few variables. Cos I rem knowing someone who signed on but was not accepted and not having to extend. Quite complicating though. Have to ask your son to check what he sign and check with CMPB.. And also ask him to make a appeal thru his superiors and HR unit.

 

[metastate]

Sorry if anyone read my previous reply, which was wrong. I was confused by TS date.

Let's clear up. Your son enlisted in June 2011. Signed on in Dec 2011 - May 2012. They extended his ORD from April 2013 to October 2013. And now they extend again to April 2014? Mean in total he has extended a year
?

I suggest you call up CMPB for actual details. Personally I felt extension to Oct 2013 is valid, but NOT april 2014.

 

[chex]

I agree with blitzstryker...your dates are a little confusing. The original ord dates will be 2 yrs from enlistment date. which is ard jun 2013.

There is a difference when your son sign on during bmt or after bmt. There is a recent scheme where NSF can volunteer to extend the ORD by 6 mths in their current vocation. And if sign on during bmt, it prob means your son is considering a career in the military. Thus there is a contract for some years. Last time it was 6 years, I dun know if it's the same now. The 6 years include the 2 yrs of NS.

You really have to check the contract clauses. I remember last time when I was offered to sign on before bmt, there was a certain sum of money given i think upfront upon signing. Thereafter, even during bmt will be receiving more money than normal recruits. Upon completing vocation course, the pay is then adjusted to the regular pay for that vocation.

Since your son failed the course, it could be because he's been getting salary from the army from the time he's in bmt to the time he's in the course.

Another thing is was he given any chance for recourse? Or there is a period of waiting after failing the course to be posted to another unit. All in all, was he receiving higher pay than normal NSF during the entire period?

It could be becos he taken the regular pay and need to serve more to pay back. Ask your son too talk to his S1 aka HR dept in his unit. Also can try bringing it up during the monthly interview with the PC. Last few resorts, you son call the counselling hotline and say he's depressed...bla bla bla.
Or some people will bring up to MP - may or may not work...

 

[Kyoji83]

To confirm with you something.

Your son is a NSF from Jun 11 to Dec 11 (His ORD should be Jun 13) before he sign on.

From Dec 11 to May 11 (About 5 months), he is a REG but fail his course.

From May 11 onward he become a NSF back & he is told his ORD extend to OCT 13 (To return the 5 months back).

However now CMPB say they are going to extend your son ORD to Apr 14 without giving you an option to accepted or reject it.

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1) My advice to you is check the contract before your next course of action.

2) There is an agreement make & sign by both parties (your son & SAF) that your son ORD will be extended to Oct 2013. Nothing more & less. Notification from SAF to extended your son ORD to April 2014 does not mean your son agree to do so. Ask your son to inform his S1 to work out with CMPB. If all fail, speak to MP before you look for legal adviser.

My son was enlisted on June 2011.Sign on regular from dec to may 2011
Fail the course and asked to terminate contract.Ord date was extended to Oct 2013.Received notification from CMPB on 15 May 2013 his new ORD is April 2014.Where is the justice ?Need help ,now whole family very depress.Only God can help us to deal against such a big organisation.


already sign the option form with the oct 2013 ord date.Lucky my son kept it,but they say they will change the ord date to April 2014 during the phone call,not need to agree,just change my son ORD date to 2014.Dont give a dammn to us, ask my son to appeal through email to her.Why need to appeal when his given ORD date is suppose to 24 OCt 2013.Is she trying to intimidate us with term such as the legal department.
Just piss off,hope god can punish this dictator from CMPB.Just suka suka changed the ORD date.He sign on during the BMT period,unless you took their backpayment.

 

[j_t_fusion]

already sign the option form with the oct 2013 ord date.Lucky my son kept it,but they say they will change the ord date to April 2014 during the phone call,not need to agree,just change my son ORD date to 2014.Dont give a dammn to us, ask my son to appeal through email to her.Why need to appeal when his given ORD date is suppose to 24 OCt 2013.Is she trying to intimidate us with term such as the legal department.
Just piss off,hope god can punish this dictator from CMPB.Just suka suka changed the ORD date.He sign on during the BMT period,unless you took their backpayment.

My son was enlisted on June 2011.Sign on regular from dec to may 2011
Fail the course and asked to terminate contract.Ord date was extended to Oct 2013.Received notification from CMPB on 15 May 2013 his new ORD is April 2014.Where is the justice ?Need help ,now whole family very depress.Only God can help us to deal against such a big organisation.

TS your dates don't really tally leh...

you say your son sign on during BMT but june enlist dec sign on? your son BMT 6 months is it?

anyway, you and your son never read the contract properly and then sign on and now you want to blame SAF for your "injustice".

for your info, my friends that signed on for 5 years contract need to serve for 7 years cos is 5 years contractual period plus 2 years of compulsory national service so is 7 years total.

your son also the same thing, the period that he is on the regular contractual period is NOT COUNTED for the 2 years of NS.

 

[reddevil0728]

Being starting to cry foul play just because it's SAF, go read the BLACK AND WHITE contract your son signed on the dotted line.

They cannot just suka suka change your son's ORD just because they like it. It's possible due to some computation error they got it wrong.

If indeed they got it wrong due to error then too bad, because at the end of the day, if the BLACK AND WHITE includes a clause for them to say if there's error and they can void the option form and change the date then too bad.

If your son don't read the contract and blindly sign, don't call ppl dictator because of one's own action.

They are also not so stupid to anyhow suka suka extend without proper justification. if indeed they somehow suka suka anyhow extend, they are just giving you the capital to make it big and u see how the public will react

 

[saphire]

After i read carefully, SAF is correct. i was formally a regular. The ORD date will be the date whereby your son disrupt his service and not from BMT. Did TS put the year wrongly? June 2011 enlisted Bmt. Dec 2011 sign on. Disruption should be May 2012. So ORD date should be Apr 2014. First 5 yrs contract service is not consider NS.

 

[Onelastwish]

who ask your son itchy hand go sign on in the first place?

 

[Adamthng]

Sorry if anyone read my previous reply, which was wrong. I was confused by TS date.

Let's clear up. Your son enlisted in June 2011. Signed on in Dec 2011 - May 2012. They extended his ORD from April 2013 to October 2013. And now they extend again to April 2014? Mean in total he has extended a year
?

I suggest you call up CMPB for actual details. Personally I felt extension to Oct 2013 is valid, but NOT april 2014.

They just changed the date and ask him to appeal.The CMPB is full of dictatordont trust them anymore.

 

[Adamthng]

who ask your son itchy hand go sign on in the first place?

Need money ma.,not everybody is born with a silver spoon.

 

[reddevil0728]

They just changed the date and ask him to appeal.The CMPB is full of dictatordont trust them anymore.

you should read what saphire say

Need money ma.,not everybody is born with a silver spoon.

need money means suka suka blindly sign paper? If later ppl offer u money but must help smuggle drugs, also suka suka go sign? Sounds daft

 

[Adamthng]

Being starting to cry foul play just because it's SAF, go read the BLACK AND WHITE contract your son signed on the dotted line.

They cannot just suka suka change your son's ORD just because they like it. It's possible due to some computation error they got it wrong.

If indeed they got it wrong due to error then too bad, because at the end of the day, if the BLACK AND WHITE includes a clause for them to say if there's error and they can void the option form and change the date then too bad.

If your son don't read the contract and blindly sign, don't call ppl dictator because of one's own action.

They are also not so stupid to anyhow suka suka extend without proper justification. if indeed they somehow suka suka anyhow extend, they are just giving you the capital to make it big and u see how the public will react

It did not happen to you so you dont know the mental anguish we go through.His tekong commander is helping him after calculate his enlistment date and ORD date but the way this big bully from CMPB just change the ORD date by the click of a mouse and ask him to sign a new ORD form.Using the term their legal department to intimidate us,where is the justice.The commanders willing to help my son is because they feel injustic is done.this is going to tarnish the reputation of CMPB.

 

[Adamthng]

you should read what saphire say

need money means suka suka blindly sign paper? If later ppl offer u money but must help smuggle drugs, also suka suka go sign? Sounds daft

IT IS NOT SUKA SUKA SIGN.ARE YOU FROM CMPB OR GOVERNMENT?
IT SEEM LIKE.WE ARE LAW ABIDING CITIZEN JUST DOING OUR JOB TO PROTECT PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHO DO NOT EMPHATISE BUT FULL OF SARCASM.

 

[Adamthng]

you should read what saphire say

need money means suka suka blindly sign paper? If later ppl offer u money but must help smuggle drugs, also suka suka go sign? Sounds daft

IT IS NOT SUKA SUKA SIGN.ARE YOU FROM CMPB OR GOVERNMENT?
IT SEEM LIKE.WE ARE LAW ABIDING CITIZEN JUST DOING OUR JOB TO PROTECT PEOPLE LIKE WHO DO NOT EMPHATISE BUT FULL OF SARCASM.

 

[Adamthng]

Sorry if anyone read my previous reply, which was wrong. I was confused by TS date.

Let's clear up. Your son enlisted in June 2011. Signed on in Dec 2011 - May 2012. They extended his ORD from April 2013 to October 2013. And now they extend again to April 2014? Mean in total he has extended a year
?

I suggest you call up CMPB for actual details. Personally I felt extension to Oct 2013 is valid, but NOT april 2014.

Yes that is what is the encik and commander from tekong think so.
That is reason they want to help him fight the case.it is an uphill task to fight against such a big organisation with so much resources at their disposal.They even mention about their legal department.Just pray hard and hope god can punish them since they are so powerfu land untouchable.

 

[metastate]

After i read carefully, SAF is correct. i was formally a regular. The ORD date will be the date whereby your son disrupt his service and not from BMT. Did TS put the year wrongly? June 2011 enlisted Bmt. Dec 2011 sign on. Disruption should be May 2012. So ORD date should be Apr 2014. First 5 yrs contract service is not consider NS.

If his son is a regular from Dec 2011 to May 2012 (six-month), and his original ORD date is June 2013, shouldn't the new date be Dec 2013?

TS, are you withholding some information from us? If your son OOC in May 2012, it doesn't necessary mean he disrupt in May 2012. He could have disrupted in June / July 2012.

I think I have an idea what may have happened. But TS have to tell us what did your son do after he OOC. Did he lobo and then go OCS? Has he commissioned?

 

[Watereagle]

June 2011 - Dec 2011 - May 2012 is a total of 11mths. So if you divide 11mths by 2.5 you get around 4.5mths. Adding 4.5mths to the june 2013 ord date and you will get october 2013. I think you are most probably correct!

Sorry if anyone read my previous reply, which was wrong. I was confused by TS date.

Let's clear up. Your son enlisted in June 2011. Signed on in Dec 2011 - May 2012. They extended his ORD from April 2013 to October 2013. And now they extend again to April 2014? Mean in total he has extended a year
?

I suggest you call up CMPB for actual details. Personally I felt extension to Oct 2013 is valid, but NOT april 2014.