Forett

[arctician]

This showflat made many consider buying top floor high ceiling units

I’m not an ID expert but as long as the feature wall & carpentry is really durable & well maintained, imo there’s a good chance future resale buyers could be willing to pay a premium for such ID designs if one decides to sell.

yea i am enticed as well after looking at the high ceiling units in verdale and forett. Some may want a loft but i will go for a feature wall or full height storage instead.

The high ceiling for forett comes free for the first floor, and there is a premium for top floor i think. If the premium vs normal ceiling is <$100K i actually dont mind paying because the spatial aesthetic is not bad for own stay..the full height balcony door will also make the view more expansive

Living room cost est 20-30k according to my ID friend. Mainly carpentry cost

thats expensive siah but expected since its full height, the quotes i get for feature wall usually range from 5-8K for a simplistic design

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That is very good. The higher they raise, the higher the chances of late buyers making losses... so late buyers must pray hard and Let’s pray for them as well that they can huat..

Look at the logic...
one brother here was already saying LINQ at 22xx psf is crazy price... now forett at 22xx psf? Well done.


Don’t know why these days I can’t stop laughing...2023 and 2024 is not that far away


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bro dont be so harsh lah, to be fair its their money and they have the right to spend it in whatever way they wish..for all you know all these buyers may be 10x richer than you and me. True our existing ppty portfolio will rise as well but most of us who invest in a simple 2-3m property will never be able to supersede high income executives in top white collar jobs..so i also stop dishing critique on reflection or PR8 buyers coz its their choice.

If you find LINQ ridiculous, better pray FEO dont win jalan anak bukit..i went OHV and spoke to their mgr on the estimated launch pricing, it will make LINQ buyers appear to come out as real winners because its FH and right beside only, Forett n DT n kismis one can still argue its far away

 

[ThinkCarefully]

bro dont be so harsh lah, to be fair its their money and they have the right to spend it in whatever way they wish..for all you know all these buyers may be 10x richer than you and me. True our existing ppty portfolio will rise as well but most of us who invest in a simple 2-3m property will never be able to supersede high income executives in top white collar jobs..so i also stop dishing critique on reflection or PR8 buyers coz its their choice.

If you find LINQ ridiculous, better pray FEO dont win jalan anak bukit..i went OHV and spoke to their mgr on the estimated launch pricing, it will make LINQ buyers appear to come out as real winners because its FH and right beside only, Forett n DT n kismis one can still argue its far away

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Actually. I hope everyone Huat.
Then, I can Huat more as well... maybe can retire already in 2023-2024.

like you said, I need to depend on the rising tide to retire. Else where to find the kind of money people earn that is 10 x more than what I earn?


so let’s pray together..

MC Hammer says..

That's word, we pray(pray, pray)
We got to pray
Just to make it today

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[arctician]

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Actually. I hope everyone Huat.
Then, I can Huat more as well... maybe can retire already in 2023-2024.

like you said, I need to depend on the rising tide to retire. Else where to find the kind of money people earn that is 10 x more than what I earn?


so let’s pray together..

MC Hammer says..

That's word, we pray(pray, pray)
We got to pray
Just to make it today

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retirement very subjective one, some ppl 500k can retire, others need 5mil. i think we not at the end yet, the legendary Lentor and AMK havent even launch, tide not even in full swing and still got 2022 to go. Leading indicator should be STI index and volume sales, these 2 are always the preceding indicator of any price rise or decline in real estate.

https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...d-225-cent-prices-hit-new-high-july-estimates
another headline on TODAY

 

[ThinkCarefully]

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Referring to one chart provided, we are indeed in the Thrill phase... tell everyone to buy... media, agents.. everyone.

2022 will be a big year... Euphoria Utopia..
Record launch prices...
everyone think they are genius as prices increased as compared to 2021
Everyone thinks they are going to be rich
KING of exit, remember...

Let’s just hope euphoria lasts...people dance as the music continues to play. The party does not end...

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[CaptainSGP]

yea i am enticed as well after looking at the high ceiling units in verdale and forett. Some may want a loft but i will go for a feature wall or full height storage instead.

The high ceiling for forett comes free for the first floor, and there is a premium for top floor i think. If the premium vs normal ceiling is <$100K i actually dont mind paying because the spatial aesthetic is not bad for own stay..the full height balcony door will also make the view more expansive


thats expensive siah but expected since its full height, the quotes i get for feature wall usually range from 5-8K for a simplistic design


bro dont be so harsh lah, to be fair its their money and they have the right to spend it in whatever way they wish..for all you know all these buyers may be 10x richer than you and me. True our existing ppty portfolio will rise as well but most of us who invest in a simple 2-3m property will never be able to supersede high income executives in top white collar jobs..so i also stop dishing critique on reflection or PR8 buyers coz its their choice.

If you find LINQ ridiculous, better pray FEO dont win jalan anak bukit..i went OHV and spoke to their mgr on the estimated launch pricing, it will make LINQ buyers appear to come out as real winners because its FH and right beside only, Forett n DT n kismis one can still argue its far away

I did not see Forett detailed unit pricing, though i highly doubt it will really be 'free'. It is not part of the floor plan but I am pretty sure in this case, the ground floor unit will easily cost close to 50k more than the 2nd floor. If im wrong, then the ground floor units sure got a good deal ! I think 50k premium is worth paying given the opportunity to build study area below loft beds & the amazing high ceiling designs !

 

[arctician]

I did not see Forett detailed unit pricing, though i highly doubt it will really be 'free'. It is not part of the floor plan but I am pretty sure in this case, the ground floor unit will easily cost close to 50k more than the 2nd floor. If im wrong, then the ground floor units sure got a good deal ! I think 50k premium is worth paying given the opportunity to build study area below loft beds & the amazing high ceiling designs !

I think its free, i rem agent telling me first floor the high ceiling is not built into gross floor area or psf..but top floor is built into GFA. For daintree right next to it the 1st and 5th high ceiling units are built into the psf, kismis has no high ceiling.

I also feel 50k is ok esp if high ceiling extend into living room and all the bedroom. But not sure if building loft is good though alot ppl commented loft units will affect valuation

 

[CaptainSGP]

I think its free, i rem agent telling me first floor the high ceiling is not built into gross floor area or psf..but top floor is built into GFA. For daintree right next to it the 1st and 5th high ceiling units are built into the psf, kismis has no high ceiling.

I also feel 50k is ok esp if high ceiling extend into living room and all the bedroom. But not sure if building loft is good though alot ppl commented loft units will affect valuation

I think the main reason why many discourage ppl from buying loft/top floor units was the large premium paid for it (e.g. more than 150k). But at 50k, I think it is more reasonable. For NP, the premium for many top floor units high ceiling is only 50k to 100k, and many top floor units are sold.

Thing about building a loft is that you must build it in a way thats nice & practical. Many lofts turn out to be ugly or not practical, so many resale buyers are not willing to pay for it. Imo, you really need a ceiling height of close to 5m, for the loft level to have sufficient headroom. The loft beds at Forret really looks nice & practical so I believe the ground floor & top floor units will sell well if the pricing is reasonable.

 

[arctician]

I think the main reason why many discourage ppl from buying loft/top floor units was the large premium paid for it (e.g. more than 150k). But at 50k, I think it is more reasonable. For NP, the premium for many top floor units high ceiling is only 50k to 100k, and many top floor units are sold.

Thing about building a loft is that you must build it in a way thats nice & practical. Many lofts turn out to be ugly or not practical, so many resale buyers are not willing to pay for it. Imo, you really need a ceiling height of close to 5m, for the loft level to have sufficient headroom. The loft beds at Forret really looks nice & practical so I believe the ground floor & top floor units will sell well if the pricing is reasonable.

yea i know of one unit in Devonshire residences actual living space is 500 sf but the high ceiling was built into GFA and become 800sf, so the strata air space was sold at $300K more which i feel is way too expensive. The thing is there is no valuation methodology for fair value of high ceiling, so even myself i couldnt be sure if 50-100k is reasonable, there are other factors to consider as well i.e. premium apply to high ceiling for 1 bedder or 3 bedder, and if it extends to living room only or across all the bedroom

But yes i agree 50k is reasonable, i myself will take it if it extend to entire house, but i notice most developers price it ard 100K more for average 3BR

for loft i think both DT and forett loft beds look average only, the best i have seen is in one holland village for 3 bedder showflat unit, nice design and occupy just right amt of space, about 1/2 of bedroom Muji style.

 

[CaptainSGP]

yea i know of one unit in Devonshire residences actual living space is 500 sf but the high ceiling was built into GFA and become 800sf, so the strata air space was sold at $300K more which i feel is way too expensive. The thing is there is no valuation methodology for fair value of high ceiling, so even myself i couldnt be sure if 50-100k is reasonable, there are other factors to consider as well i.e. premium apply to high ceiling for 1 bedder or 3 bedder, and if it extends to living room only or across all the bedroom

But yes i agree 50k is reasonable, i myself will take it if it extend to entire house, but i notice most developers price it ard 100K more for average 3BR

for loft i think both DT and forett loft beds look average only, the best i have seen is in one holland village for 3 bedder showflat unit, nice design and occupy just right amt of space, about 1/2 of bedroom Muji style.

Yes, OHV children Loft bed is very nice.

But Ceiling not high enough so only ideal for young kids. Can copy their idea if going for Muji style design. If the ceiling height is higher then it would be very nice & practical. 1 issue i have is that the room will be stuffy as the bed blocks window airflow.

 

[arctician]

Yes, OHV children Loft bed is very nice.

But Ceiling not high enough so only ideal for young kids. Can copy their idea if going for Muji style design. If the ceiling height is higher then it would be very nice & practical. 1 issue i have is that the room will be stuffy as the bed blocks window airflow.

we seem to share same view, even projects we visited are the same lol. i went down to OHV coz i saw their youtube review and want copy their ID design, i planned to apply their loft concept nt time, its the best loft among all the showflats i visited.

 

[CaptainSGP]

we seem to share same view, even projects we visited are the same lol. i went down to OHV coz i saw their youtube review and want copy their ID design, i planned to apply their loft concept nt time, its the best loft among all the showflats i visited.

Do u plan to stick to the 5sqm rule ?

 

[arctician]

Do u plan to stick to the 5sqm rule ?

have to right its a BCA rule, i also not keen to make it too big otherwise doesnt look nice and affect exit next time, i personally find forett and DT too big, the size of loft need to have parity with space allocated to stairs otherwise will look weird, so the bigger the loft the higher the space wastage for stairs.

thats why i think the OHV loft is more visually appealing because the ratio just nice.

 

[relaxhome]

Sent you the links. Congratulations on your purchase.

Hi, New to here... Bought an unit too. Can send me the links? Thanks.

 

[halfnode]

One thing i notice is that some developer will say

I think its free, i rem agent telling me first floor the high ceiling is not built into gross floor area or psf..but top floor is built into GFA. For daintree right next to it the 1st and 5th high ceiling units are built into the psf, kismis has no high ceiling.

I also feel 50k is ok esp if high ceiling extend into living room and all the bedroom. But not sure if building loft is good though alot ppl commented loft units will affect valuation

they dont count in but their psf for 1st floor is higher then the 2nd floor?

 

[arctician]

One thing i notice is that some developer will say


they dont count in but their psf for 1st floor is higher then the 2nd floor?

i didnt check out the price for 1st floor with high ceiling, but if level 1 PSF is higher than 2nd floor then confirm build in already. With larger patio most of first floors will always have lower psf, unless they build in the strata air space into the price.

 

[CaptainSGP]

i didnt check out the price for 1st floor with high ceiling, but if level 1 PSF is higher than 2nd floor then confirm build in already. With larger patio most of first floors will always have lower psf, unless they build in the strata air space into the price.

Actually if I own the ground floor unit I would rather some high ceiling void area is included inside. Easier to attract viewings (cos of the Low psf) & pray hard will have some ignorant buyer haha

 

[CaptainSGP]

One thing i notice is that some developer will say


they dont count in but their psf for 1st floor is higher then the 2nd floor?

Yes this is correct !

 

[CaptainSGP]

have to right its a BCA rule, i also not keen to make it too big otherwise doesnt look nice and affect exit next time, i personally find forett and DT too big, the size of loft need to have parity with space allocated to stairs otherwise will look weird, so the bigger the loft the higher the space wastage for stairs.

thats why i think the OHV loft is more visually appealing because the ratio just nice.

Yes, it’s very impt to make the loft look nice ! I always see many ugly loft units struggle to sell on PropertyGuru. High Park has this loft studio/1 bedroom listing that has been around for a long time. Imo, doesn’t look nice.
I think PLB have a nice loft unit sold where they build the loft staircase beside the kitchen & the loft area is above the kitchen.

One issue I have with the lofts at Forett & OHV is that the bedroom loft staircase blocks the window. Will affect ventilation & make the room look dark.

 

[arctician]

Actually if I own the ground floor unit I would rather some high ceiling void area is included inside. Easier to attract viewings (cos of the Low psf) & pray hard will have some ignorant buyer haha

precisely, usually for ground floors psf is always lower because of the patio, if developer build in the strata air space into the GFA then psf will go even lower and got chance to target the ignorant. If you look at forett caveat there are a few units at 17-18xx PSF last week, all these have strata air space.

The challenge is some developers quietly build the high ceiling airspace into the PSF instead of GFA and tell you its FOC...i was thinking wa qingjian so generous give 1st floor high ceiling free lol, agent really cannot believe one.

 

[arctician]

Yes, it’s very impt to make the loft look nice ! I always see many ugly loft units struggle to sell on PropertyGuru. High Park has this loft studio/1 bedroom listing that has been around for a long time. Imo, doesn’t look nice.
I think PLB have a nice loft unit sold where they build the loft staircase beside the kitchen & the loft area is above the kitchen.

One issue I have with the lofts at Forett & OHV is that the bedroom loft staircase blocks the window. Will affect ventilation & make the room look dark.

i think the example you mentioned is a pure loft unit like those in hillier or jardine where developer tried to promote SOHO 10y ago.

Usually high ceiling units at top or ground floor only apply to living room, or at best across bedrooms, kitchen is usually excluded as they are not pure loft by design.

One common observation is all the pure loft units dont sell well and do very poorly in market.