General S-REITs Discussion Thread

stanlawj

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Thanks for sharing in a different perspective.
I see the similar trend if you plot SPY/XAUUSD.
SPY/XAUUSD going sideways in a range, with the lower end is still far above the low in Covid crash, and hasn't surpassed previous all-time high in Dec 2021. Those invested in SPY are able to partially limit the loss from the sudden rise in gold.
But at some point of time in the future however, I think SPY holders need to cash out if SPY/XAUUSD breaks a significant support level. This future could be when USA is gone for good.

The real losers are CPF holders. It's our CPF savings that are being silently robbed.
 
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This is an actually a silent confiscation of the CPF savings to subsidise current Singapore businesses and govt spending (both SG govt and US govt).
Basic Econs 101 - high inflation is bad for savers and good for borrowers. I am ok with a fair chunk of CPF in t-bills as my bond portion but I also buy ETF and unit trusts with CPF. Goldbugs can also buy some gold :)

the graph STIETF vs XAUSGD you posted is inaccurate because you are dividing the historical stock market prices by current gold price rather than gold price at the time.

for your STI vs XAUSGD chart, If you divided by the applicable gold prices at the time, the peaks at 0.140 would be lower at about 0.129, i.e. the divergence is not as big as the chart implies.
 

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the graph STIETF vs XAUSGD you posted is inaccurate because you are dividing the historical stock market prices by current gold price rather than gold price at the time.

for your STI vs XAUSGD chart, If you divided by the applicable gold prices at the time, the peaks at 0.140 would be lower at about 0.129, i.e. the divergence is not as big as the chart implies.
I'm using Tradingview. The chart is doing it correctly as you say it should. It's dividing time-series for 1 instrument with the time-series for the other.
 

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I'm using Tradingview. The chart is doing it correctly as you say it should. It's dividing time-series for 1 instrument with the time-series for the other.

ok, good to know, then the 0.140 spikes are just anomalies caused by short term price action, the average ratio in 2022 is closer to 0.129

but as to your broader point, I also feel SGD is overvalued and due for correction. In Sep 2023, I said as much:
Since the bulk of my net worth is in S$, because of stocks property ownership, CPF, I consider USD corporates one form of diversification.

To me, the risk of S$ depreciation is higher than US$ depreciation. A lot of money inflow into SG is 'hot money' which can be taken out as quickly as it is put in. I frankly cannot see S$ continuously appreciating against the US$
 

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I have been wanting to land those big blue chip reit for a long time. So far today none reach 52 week low yet. They have very strong institution investors support.
 

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I have been wanting to land those big blue chip reit for a long time. So far today none reach 52 week low yet. They have very strong institution investors support.
errr some like fraser logisitcs are just 1 to 2 cents away nia lah.
 

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i used to have keppel dc reit, it was my best performing reit due to cap gain instead of dividends :ROFLMAO: . Immediately sold them all to bring forward future dividends :LOL:

have been waiting for a few years to get back into reits after selling most on their run up, i do see some possible ones soon though most seems to be at accumulating mode by big boys for now, with another possible wave e.g. maple pan com trust can slowly add as it slowly drops towards 1.10 area, not sure if it will target the next low at 0.86 area so can keep ammo for it if it happens. maple log and ind charts looking the same and similar with maple pan com (either you add some now and/or just wait for another wave down for maple log (1.25 or 1.07 areas) and ind (slightly below 2 or 1.67 area)). Keppel dc reit looking at 1.38 zone if not adding at current zone.
 

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i used to have keppel dc reit, it was my best performing reit due to cap gain instead of dividends :ROFLMAO: . Immediately sold them all to bring forward future dividends :LOL:

have been waiting for a few years to get back into reits after selling most on their run up, i do see some possible ones soon though most seems to be at accumulating mode by big boys for now, with another possible wave e.g. maple pan com trust can slowly add as it slowly drops towards 1.10 area, not sure if it will target the next low at 0.86 area so can keep ammo for it if it happens. maple log and ind charts looking the same and similar with maple pan com (either you add some now and/or just wait for another wave down for maple log (1.25 or 1.07 areas) and ind (slightly below 2 or 1.67 area)). Keppel dc reit looking at 1.38 zone if not adding at current zone.
0.86 for mple com???? Wah u even more armageddonish than @stanlawj Maple com IPO price was 88 cents and this was without the pan asia assets somemore, and you want 0.86 ????
 

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0.86 for mple com???? Wah u even more armageddonish than @stanlawj Maple com IPO price was 88 cents and this was without the pan asia assets somemore, and you want 0.86 ????

hahahaha i'm just relaying the message from the charts :LOL:. If it goes there, then good we can bulk buy else the maple pan com chart says the current zone down to 1.10-ish is already a decent area to add some and hodl.
 

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Capitaland Ascott should be benefitting from coming back of tourists. Seems this reits not popular here.
 

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Why is ESR worth queuing siah? Thought its management is like sai?
Sai to Sabana reit ba lol. For esr itself, it has low gearing ratio (below 35%) and 80% of debt are fixed rate for 1.4 years. Good positive rental reversion as well.
 

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https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/co...g-counterparts-re-rating-may-face-uncertainty

Valuations for office Reits lag counterparts, but re-rating may face uncertainty

Reits that derive their revenue predominantly from the office sub-sector are trading at over a 50 per cent discount to their book value on average, dragged by weakness from those with overseas assets in the US and Europe.

By comparison, the average price-to-book (P/B) ratio for the S-Reit sector is around 0.7.


While the situation is not as dire for office S-Reits with mainly local assets, they too have been laggards in terms of their trading valuations.

Keppel Reit trades at around a 35 per cent discount to its book value, while others such as OUE Reit and Suntec Reit are currently trading at around half their book value.

Their P/B ratios are below their five-year historic average, and the REITS also trade at distribution yields above their historic mean, Bloomberg data showed.

Darren Chan, senior research analyst at Phillip Securities Research, noted that SIngapore Office REITS are currently trading below the FTSE REIT Index P/B ratio of 0.88 times.

"We think the discrepancy in public market valuations for SIngapore office REITS and valuations of office buildings is justified with the high level of interest costs and weaker outlook", he said.

GCP Global Gabriei Yap noted that office REITS players such as Suntec REIT have seen their discounts widen, even as the sub-sector has been trading at a discount to net asset value for over a decade now.

The muted valuations for local office players come despite stable fundamentals in the sector, unlike the performance of office assets in other countries.

While rents are currently high, market watchers expect further growth to slow going forward.

Maybank analyst Krishna Guha noted that spot rent growth has slowed for Singapore Grade A offices in the CBD. "Supply is currently limited but will pick up towards the end of the year or first quarter of next year," he observed.

Chan from Philip Securities observed that additional office supply of around 2.9M sqft would come later this year, mainly from OIO Central Boulevard Towers and Keppel South Central. "We also expect vacancies to pick up in 2024 with tenants downsizing and more layoffs in the uncertain economic environment," he said.

GCP Global's Yap noted that managers could buy back more shares if gearing permits. He added that managers should also stop "making acquisitions which are marginally positive to DPU but disadvantageous to minority shareholders or burden them minimal margin of safety."

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There the guru Gabriel Yap has spoken: BUY BACK YOUR SHARES.
I add: STOP ISSUING SHARES AND DILUTING. WE ARE NOT BLIND. REITS investors are momentum-chasers and forward looking. Outlook is bad bad bad, more outsourcing, generative AI coming to replacing office human drones! Yet more new office space supply coming on market from SG property bubble!
 
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