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my pick for technika profi series is the boiler is made of stainless steel. Thought this would be better material just like the one in marzocco gs3

Large Ss boiler is also used in synesso, olympia, kvdw , a quite a few other high end brands. Small Ss boilers is also used in some lower end machines like breville I think. Rockets uses nickel plated brass I think to prevent the brass from leeching lead.

A good ss boiler is expensive to make compared to brass and copper. Ss is harder metal to work with. There was some discussion on ss imparting a flavour to the water but very much doubt it matters much.

Whether the brass leeches lead depends on the alloy used.
 

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Saw a news article reported in Straits Times today under Home section. A jeweller fabricated malicious comments to mislead readers about a rival products. This particular jeweller was sued for spreading malicious falsehoods on popular forum HWZ.
Please do consider that each and every company puts in lots of money on their R&D. False comments will caused consumers to loose faith in their brands.

Relax...this is just friendly discussion on machines. I don't think anyone here are stakeholders in competing brands or are making false accusations.

ECM seems quite high quality and I think buyer will still buy based on rough perception on quality rather than a statistical cost vs returns analysis on the machines! That's why people still buy a gs3 and people like me are considering a olympia cremina!

Anyway are you still selling beans? Have not tried your stuff before and am keen. Not much updated info about your roasts on Facebook except for grinders and ECM.
 

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I drink espressos mostly. Milk drinks only once a month because I'm lactose intolerant. :s22:

If you do want to have milk drinks without running for the john, you may consider trying this... Lactase Tablets.

I got it from Amazon. It works. Just take the tablet with your first sip of milk drink.

Can send you a couple to try if you want.
 

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If you do want to have milk drinks without running for the john, you may consider trying this... Lactase Tablets.

I got it from Amazon. It works. Just take the tablet with your first sip of milk drink.

Can send you a couple to try if you want.

Thanks for the tip. :) I get gassy and all that nasty stuff. Once in a while I'll succumb and drink a small latte. The rest of my latte practice products goes to my long suffering partner haha.
 

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Relax...this is just friendly discussion on machines. I don't think anyone here are stakeholders in competing brands or are making false accusations.

ECM seems quite high quality and I think buyer will still buy based on rough perception on quality rather than a statistical cost vs returns analysis on the machines! That's why people still buy a gs3 and people like me are considering a olympia cremina!

Anyway are you still selling beans? Have not tried your stuff before and am keen. Not much updated info about your roasts on Facebook except for grinders and ECM.

I'm all for healthy discussions but when one make false assumptions & start to spread inaccurate information, this will hurt the brand name which they are trying to build.
 

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I'm all for healthy discussions but when one make false assumptions & start to spread inaccurate information, this will hurt the brand name which they are trying to build.

Quote which statement made was false or inaccurate so we know.
 

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Quote which statement made was false or inaccurate so we know.

For one, Bezzera & ECM do not use 100% same components as claimed. If similar, those are the common parts used in espresso machines. In fact, one of the components ECM developed themselves is the expansion valve with embossed ECM logo.
Secondly, ECM GmbH & Italy went into partnership, not "Original ECM Italy" as claimed. The split in later part was mainly due to disagreement in quality issues.
 

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my pick for technika profi series is the boiler is made of stainless steel. Thought this would be better material just like the one in marzocco gs3

Large Ss boiler is also used in synesso, olympia, kvdw , a quite a few other high end brands. Small Ss boilers is also used in some lower end machines like breville I think. Rockets uses nickel plated brass I think to prevent the brass from leeching lead.

A good ss boiler is expensive to make compared to brass and copper. Ss is harder metal to work with. There was some discussion on ss imparting a flavour to the water but very much doubt it matters much.

Whether the brass leeches lead depends on the alloy used.

I worked for a company dealing with pans and pots in Korea.

Pure S/S is actually cheaper than copper and the thermal conductivity is pretty bad, so i believe it's clad with copper. In short terms, copper core or layered copper in between.

If it's heating by just pure S/S, then expect very uneven heating and a much longer heat up time.
Since the job for the boiler is to heat up and keep warm, actually pure copper is better.

In cookware, we prefer stainless steel, because it's tougher , affordable, neat and non reactive. We can control the handle to be not hot though it's S/S because it conducts bad. So overall looks alright as a single piece.

If the boiler is sitting inside the coffee machine, not anyone going to dent and damage it, copper imo is a better material to heat up faster and to keep warm longer. This saves power and quickens at least.

S/S maybe non reactive but copper is not a nasty metal, and it's essential for health, so no clear advantage on that.

Another possible reason, maybe it's to insulate it, which is very unlikely because the S/S will still conduct heat.

I will skip brass totally no matter what grade it is.
 

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I worked for a company dealing with pans and pots in Korea.

Pure S/S is actually cheaper than copper and the thermal conductivity is pretty bad, so i believe it's clad with copper. In short terms, copper core or layered copper in between.

If it's heating by just pure S/S, then expect very uneven heating and a much longer heat up time.
Since the job for the boiler is to heat up and keep warm, actually pure copper is better.

In cookware, we prefer stainless steel, because it's tougher , affordable, neat and non reactive. We can control the handle to be not hot though it's S/S because it conducts bad. So overall looks alright as a single piece.

If the boiler is sitting inside the coffee machine, not anyone going to dent and damage it, copper imo is a better material to heat up faster and to keep warm longer. This saves power and quickens at least.

S/S maybe non reactive but copper is not a nasty metal, and it's essential for health, so no clear advantage on that.

Another possible reason, maybe it's to insulate it, which is very unlikely because the S/S will still conduct heat.

I will skip brass totally no matter what grade it is.

Interesting...thanks for sharing. +1 to knowledge.

I've always thought ss is harder to work with esp for better grades as machining steel is difficult and puts more wear on the manufacturing machines.

I guess larger boilers use ss because not much thermal mass from the metal is needed if water is displaced for the shot due to the large amount of water inside or if it's a hx system. Compared to smaller single boilers which need helps to maintain temp by using a boiler with larger thermal mass when water is displaced when making the shot.
 

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For one, Bezzera & ECM do not use 100% same components as claimed. If similar, those are the common parts used in espresso machines. In fact, one of the components ECM developed themselves is the expansion valve with embossed ECM logo.
Secondly, ECM GmbH & Italy went into partnership, not "Original ECM Italy" as claimed. The split in later part was mainly due to disagreement in quality issues.

I see thanks for the clarification and sharing. ECM technical looks quite well made esp with the way the metal body is finished with no sharp edges. My vbm is sharp!
 

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I got a nice number!
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Wow that is really cool.
How much did you pay for it (incl shipping)

By the way, I have read through all 73 pages of this thread and have learnt a fair bit from everyone here.

I would like to consult you all regarding my current plans of upgrading.
I have shortlisted several machines (mostly from one of the MO threads here) as well as Papa Palheta (Rocket) and Highlander (VBM), which is to say my budget is from $2000 to $4000.

Bezzera BZ10
Bezzera BZ10 Espresso Machine - Fine Coffee Company Singapore Malaysia

Bezzera Mitica
Bezzera Mitica Vibration Machine - Fine Coffee Coy Singapore Malaysia

Bezzera Magica
Bezzera Magica Espresso Machine - Fine Coffee Coy Singapore Malaysia

Expobar Brewtus Double Boiler Brewtus Espresso Machine - Fine Coffee Company Singapore Malaysia

Rocket R58
Papa Palheta | Merchandise | Rocket R58 V2

VBM DomoBar Junior
https://highlandercoffee.com/online...2-domobar-junior-lever-hx-heat-exchanger.html

VBM DomoBar DB
https://highlandercoffee.com/online...es/13-domobar-super-db-double-boiler-pid.html

Can you guys kindly advice me which machine is more worth getting as i am currently using Delonghi EC820B that i mistakenly gotten last year along with a cheap Delonghi Burr grinder.

I enjoy drinking espressos as well as making milk based drinks for my the other half.

Or should i simply upgrade my grinder first, if so, which grinder should i aim to get first, one that is value for money as well as good performance.

TS and other members have deeply poisoned me with pictures of their HG One, and i am currently in talks with Craig and i am able to still get a set of Mazzer TiN

Thanks in advance!
 

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Wow that is really cool.
How much did you pay for it (incl shipping)

By the way, I have read through all 73 pages of this thread and have learnt a fair bit from everyone here.

I would like to consult you all regarding my current plans of upgrading.
I have shortlisted several machines (mostly from one of the MO threads here) as well as Papa Palheta (Rocket) and Highlander (VBM), which is to say my budget is from $2000 to $4000.

Bezzera BZ10
Bezzera BZ10 Espresso Machine - Fine Coffee Company Singapore Malaysia

Bezzera Mitica
Bezzera Mitica Vibration Machine - Fine Coffee Coy Singapore Malaysia

Bezzera Magica
Bezzera Magica Espresso Machine - Fine Coffee Coy Singapore Malaysia

Expobar Brewtus Double Boiler Brewtus Espresso Machine - Fine Coffee Company Singapore Malaysia

Rocket R58
Papa Palheta | Merchandise | Rocket R58 V2

VBM DomoBar Junior
https://highlandercoffee.com/online...2-domobar-junior-lever-hx-heat-exchanger.html

VBM DomoBar DB
https://highlandercoffee.com/online...es/13-domobar-super-db-double-boiler-pid.html

Can you guys kindly advice me which machine is more worth getting as i am currently using Delonghi EC820B that i mistakenly gotten last year along with a cheap Delonghi Burr grinder.

I enjoy drinking espressos as well as making milk based drinks for my the other half.

Or should i simply upgrade my grinder first, if so, which grinder should i aim to get first, one that is value for money as well as good performance.

TS and other members have deeply poisoned me with pictures of their HG One, and i am currently in talks with Craig and i am able to still get a set of Mazzer TiN

Thanks in advance!

Why don't consider ECM and the Strega as well?
I figure the stainless steel material at the boiler coupled with insulated material is nice to have, but if u think about home based prosumer machines, recovery time between pulling of shots is not instantaneous, so perhaps lever machines would be a nice consideration as well? :):s22::s22::eek:
 

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Wow that is really cool.
How much did you pay for it (incl shipping)

By the way, I have read through all 73 pages of this thread and have learnt a fair bit from everyone here.

I would like to consult you all regarding my current plans of upgrading.
I have shortlisted several machines (mostly from one of the MO threads here) as well as Papa Palheta (Rocket) and Highlander (VBM), which is to say my budget is from $2000 to $4000.

Bezzera BZ10
Bezzera BZ10 Espresso Machine - Fine Coffee Company Singapore Malaysia

Bezzera Mitica
Bezzera Mitica Vibration Machine - Fine Coffee Coy Singapore Malaysia

Bezzera Magica
Bezzera Magica Espresso Machine - Fine Coffee Coy Singapore Malaysia

Expobar Brewtus Double Boiler Brewtus Espresso Machine - Fine Coffee Company Singapore Malaysia

Rocket R58
Papa Palheta | Merchandise | Rocket R58 V2

VBM DomoBar Junior
https://highlandercoffee.com/online...2-domobar-junior-lever-hx-heat-exchanger.html

VBM DomoBar DB
https://highlandercoffee.com/online...es/13-domobar-super-db-double-boiler-pid.html

Can you guys kindly advice me which machine is more worth getting as i am currently using Delonghi EC820B that i mistakenly gotten last year along with a cheap Delonghi Burr grinder.

I enjoy drinking espressos as well as making milk based drinks for my the other half.

Or should i simply upgrade my grinder first, if so, which grinder should i aim to get first, one that is value for money as well as good performance.

TS and other members have deeply poisoned me with pictures of their HG One, and i am currently in talks with Craig and i am able to still get a set of Mazzer TiN

Thanks in advance!

Keyword: "value for money"

Expobar EB61 $1798, Control Pulser $1398

If i got more budget i will take BZ10, BZ13 or Strega though.

I have the DB, but to be honest HX is enough. Seldom use the temperature control. Always use the double power consumption.. :(

I'll take a ODG cause it's fast and good, you get the grinding done in like 5 secs.
If you have a lot of time, take hand grinder if you want, buy a cheap Hario try see you can tahan the workout not.

But also must bear in mind whether your family members be using. Say if your wife is petite, the Strega and hand wound grinders may not be suitable.
 
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