(GPGT)Espresso machine hoot

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Hey guys,

up till now i am still deciding on my second espresso machine to replace the Delonghi EC820 that cannot really produce a nice cup of espresso.

In my previous post, i mentioned about getting a Bezzera or Expobar or Viebiemme (all HX equivalent).

I have already demo-ed the Domo Junior at Highlander Coffee as well as ECM Technika at ALMA Roaster. For a sub $3k (vibration pump models), the ECM clearly wins in terms of design and quality, not to mention, the rounded edges all over the machine. But taste-wise, i havent been able to differentiate the two machines.

Should i jump for the ECM Technika IV Profi or should i wait for FCC to open the showroom first and try out the Bezzera Mitica/Strega before making my decision.

Can any sexperts please advice? I have been clearing my Lego collection so i have a little bit more spending power.

In case, any of you is wondering I am leaning towards a HX machine, i enjoy drinking espresso shots any other day, while my girlfriend enjoys milk-based drinks. So which machine will be more suited for me?

ECM, Alex Duetto, Bezzera, VBM, Expobar, Rocket, Nuova Simonelli (any other options?)
 
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Get the Brewtus Leva at $1xxx will do, there's no solid difference between the different e61.
It's very close to the price we're having in Australia.
I know of a guy using the Brewtus since mk 1 over a decade ago and haven't failed once.
Save the $$$ for more Lego or a better hifi to enjoy together.

The beans will play the bigger role to different taste, not the machine.
No way can you taste which is better since the different resellers are using different beans and dosage.

The only machine that stands out to be different in your list is the Bezzera Strega which is a lever machine extracting at various pressure. Jim*Schulman from HB gave it a very strong review. What draws my attention is it says it cuts off the most sour and bitter points of the coffee. This requires quite a bit of tinkering to perfect on the much more expensive pressure profiling machines.
 
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calbay said:
Get the Brewtus Leva at $1xxx will do, there's no solid difference between the different e61.
It's very close to the price we're having in Australia.
I know of a guy using the Brewtus since mk 1 over a decade ago and haven't failed once.
Save the $$$ for more Lego or a better hifi to enjoy together.

The beans will play the bigger role to different taste, not the machine.
No way can you taste which is better since the different resellers are using different beans and dosage.

The only machine that stands out to be different in your list is the Bezzera Strega which is a lever machine extracting at various pressure. Jim*Schulman from HB gave it a very strong review. What draws my attention is it says it cuts off the most sour and bitter points of the coffee. This requires quite a bit of tinkering to perfect on the much more expensive pressure profiling machines.
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having tried the strega, i will say if you like your kopi "gao" "gao", you could get the strega. You can really grind a bit more fine on the strega and amplify the bitter sweetness and also you get to control the flow rate.

Also strega may be a little bit forgiving because I tamp like "shxt" and "create massive channeling" on the puck:s13: so compensate with lever control to soak the coffee puck with more water. :s13::s13:

Equipment wise should be similar between Brewtus/expo/etc etc.

Just your preference if you are skeptical drinking from majority brass/steel made material.
If you buy stuffs made of stainless steel, obviously it will cost more.

Like Calbay pointed out. Importance will be beans, beans,Beans>>grinder>>machine
 
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Yday tried syfon in one of the outlet using intelligentsia coffee. I asked for Ethiopia. Costs like $4 only. It didn't really taste like coffee lol and it has a minty after taste.

Think espresso and brew really different. Brew can taste those notes that espresso is difficult to do.

IMHO.

If go for pour over would Kalita syfon or Chemex ?
 
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derazor said:
Yday tried syfon in one of the outlet using intelligentsia coffee. I asked for Ethiopia. Costs like $4 only. It didn't really taste like coffee lol and it has a minty after taste.

Think espresso and brew really different. Brew can taste those notes that espresso is difficult to do.

IMHO.

If go for pour over would Kalita syfon or Chemex ?
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Nice...remember to buy some beans back!

I think you meant syphon brewing. I've never tried that b4 coz I think this method uses too high brewing temperature.
I'm currently looking hard at purchasing a kalita. Its much more forgiving than v60s or chemexes coz of the flat bottom.
 
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derazor said:
Think espresso and brew really different. Brew can taste those notes that espresso is difficult to do.

IMHO.
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I agree. Brewed coffee is less "compact". The notes tend to spread out so its easier to appreciate the subtleties in the nose. I add water to espresso if i'm interested to pick up specific notes in the aroma. Otherwise straight espresso for me is more for the body and chocolate. Still enjoyable in its own way nonetheless.

Anyway just to share most seasoned drinkers add a few drops of water to their whisky as well to pick out different flavours.
 
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chikyblink said:
Nice...remember to buy some beans back!

I think you meant syphon brewing. I've never tried that b4 coz I think this method uses too high brewing temperature.
I'm currently looking hard at purchasing a kalita. Its much more forgiving than v60s or chemexes coz of the flat bottom.
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yah siphon is hard to brew well. I have never gotten a really satisfactory cup with it, acceptable at most. Usually bitter if i brew too long or too thin and still bitter if I brew it short. best and easiest results always with the aeropress brewed for 10 secs with espresso grind.

The cup is very clean though. Clean and bitter....hope that makes sense:s22:
 
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derazor said:
Yday tried syfon in one of the outlet using intelligentsia coffee. I asked for Ethiopia. Costs like $4 only. It didn't really taste like coffee lol and it has a minty after taste.

Think espresso and brew really different. Brew can taste those notes that espresso is difficult to do.

IMHO.

If go for pour over would Kalita syfon or Chemex ?
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pls get the chemex as some of us here have the kalita but i've not heard of anyone with the chemex:)
 
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chikyblink said:
Nice...remember to buy some beans back!

I think you meant syphon brewing. I've never tried that b4 coz I think this method uses too high brewing temperature.
I'm currently looking hard at purchasing a kalita. Its much more forgiving than v60s or chemexes coz of the flat bottom.
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Didn't look hard
http://www.chemexcoffeemaker.com/support/instructions.html

This just looks line my regular drip coffee machine.
http://kalita-usa.com/wave_series.html
 
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chikyblink said:
Nice...remember to buy some beans back!

I think you meant syphon brewing. I've never tried that b4 coz I think this method uses too high brewing temperature.
I'm currently looking hard at purchasing a kalita. Its much more forgiving than v60s or chemexes coz of the flat bottom.
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Bro must try syfon then know

Guys, what about aeropress plus water vs Kalita and those pour overs
 
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