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Let me really go n check it out πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ»
the reason why they can sell this at 299usd unlike their other planar magnetic headphones that cost more is because for their headset lineup, they get it build n assembled in China to save costs, while their other headphones are build and assembled in USA. Labour cost difference thus price can be sold cheaper.

There are consumers that told Audeze to price these headphones higher instead as they say the maxwells provide audio quality above the listed price point.



Another awesome feature is the microphone. it has AI noise filtering that can even block out blender noise when the headphones is used beside it.

 
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the reason why they can sell this at 299usd unlike their other planar magnetic headphones that cost more is because for their headset lineup, they get it build n assembled in China to save costs, while their other headphones are build and assembled in USA. Labour cost difference thus price can be sold cheaper.

There are consumers that told Audeze to price these headphones higher instead as they say the maxwells provide audio quality above the listed price point.



Another awesome feature is the microphone. it has AI noise filtering that can even block out blender noise when the headphones is used beside it.



By the way, those super high end expensive headphones are also all manufactured in China.
 

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Yesterday I went to audition the Maxwell Headset and it was really good.

The sound is well balanced unlike some headphones which are too overly bassy. I am not able to justify the price of those expensive headphones in terms of their sound quality as compared to this. It's definitely not worth the price you are paying for as compared to this. For this price is really a bargain.

The only con which I can think of is the weight n size due to it's technology n the driver size.
 

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By the way, those super high end expensive headphones are also all manufactured in China.

I think many expensive TOTL headphones are still made elsewhere

Senheisser HD800s - Germany
Focal - France
Audeze LCD5 - California
Dan Clark Audio - USA
RAAL ribbon headphones - Sebia
Meze Empyrean, Elite - Romania

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Stax - unsure. Hopefully still Japan after China's Edifier took over.
Hifiman - China
 

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Yesterday I went to audition the Maxwell Headset and it was really good.

The sound is well balanced unlike some headphones which are too overly bassy. I am not able to justify the price of those expensive headphones in terms of their sound quality as compared to this. It's definitely not worth the price you are paying for as compared to this. For this price is really a bargain.

The only con which I can think of is the weight n size due to it's technology n the driver size.
thats why to me i use the maxwell for my wfh usage and gaming is more than enough for me.

no need spend extra money to get amp/dac etc etc

Maxwell provides acceptable audio quality for music due to its planar magnetic drivers and convenience for its wireless.
 

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thats why to me i use the maxwell for my wfh usage and gaming is more than enough for me.

no need spend extra money to get amp/dac etc etc

Maxwell provides acceptable audio quality for music due to its planar magnetic drivers and convenience for its wireless.

Yes, waiting time is long :sad:
 

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last week i just hoot focal clear OG liao. see the price drop alot compare to last time tio tempted liao
 

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last week i just hoot focal clear OG liao. see the price drop alot compare to last time tio tempted liao

enjoy ur headphone!

I tried the Focal Clear MG before @ Stereo , very nice too
 

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any idea how to prevent eartips from getting stuck inside ear or fallout when removing from ear? not sure whether is quality, fitting or execution problem
 

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Anyone compared the top end Bluetooth headphones here ?

1) Bowers & Wilkins PX8
2) Focal Bathys
3) Beoplay H95
4) Mark Levinson No. 5909
5) T+A Solitaire T
6) ATH-WB2022

What's your take ? πŸ˜€
I got my hands on a pair of Focal Bathys. They sounded muffled due to some massively low dips (low volume for those particular sections of the frequency response). Not to mention, the soundstage and imaging was non-existent to the point that the audio was playing almost like in my head. It was that claustrophobic and messy. Considering that I was trying to use it for my PC usage including gaming, that kind of non-existent soundstage is bad for audio positioning and knowing where your enemy is at. I even checked it with my REW.
They sounded so bad that even my Apple Airpods Pro and Jabra Elite 85T earbuds sounded way better and have a soundstage at the very least compared to the Focal Bathys headphone. Losing to Airpods and Jabra earbuds meant that its standards are even lower than that of a bunch of wireless earbuds. Goodness. That is a super low standard if I ever see one.

But guess what? Value Electronics's Headphone Shootout made that headphone beat out the Bowers & Wilkins Px8, Sony MDR-Z7M2 and even the Denon AH-D5200 to take the top spot in its price range category. Out of the 5 criterias for judging, the Focal Bathys failed 4. This includes Dynamic Range, Tonal Balance (it's not even flat), clarity & detail (as mentioned, those dips and peaks meant that this is not going to be possible) and Soundstage Imaging (as mentioned, it completely lacks of). The last criteria was comfort. And that is hard to put a number on that for people with different head sizes.
I can't say for the other headphones in its price range that lost to it. But this looks like a case of trying to make wireless headphones win something. Or even more of a marketing play to ensure increased sales at the end of the day. They are a business after all. They can't make a product lose so badly if it meant ruining their sales for those products in their stores. So they have to make it look good in some way or another.

Either way, RTings surprisingly confirmed my findings too. They even mentioned the non-existent soundstage that happens for all inputs by the way; Not just Bluetooth. "Since they have a closed-back design, their soundstage doesn't feel very open or spacious. Sound seems like it's coming from inside your head rather than from speakers placed in the room around you, which doesn't create a very immersive audio experience."

But hey, at the end of the day, RTings's data dump was surprisingly more helpful than the so called neutral testing done by the judges at the VE Headphone Shootout. I've always had my suspicion that a business aiming to sell products can never be completely neutral in their own shootout. This just confirms it. My own findings with REW and my own listening test was in line with what RTings data dump has to say. Maybe it could be different for the TVs since the judges may have a point of reference to refer to and are probably more neutral than those in the audio space. That could also play a part. But for their headphone shootout, either those other 3 headphones are pure hot garbage or what.
But either way, for the price range of the Focal Bathys to lose to a way cheaper mainstream Apple AirPods Pro 2 and Jabra Elite 85T that not only does well in wireless but also in ANC, I can never in my right conscience recommend anyone to buy the Focal Bathys like they did.
 

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I got my hands on a pair of Focal Bathys. They sounded muffled due to some massively low dips (low volume for those particular sections of the frequency response). Not to mention, the soundstage and imaging was non-existent to the point that the audio was playing almost like in my head. It was that claustrophobic and messy. Considering that I was trying to use it for my PC usage including gaming, that kind of non-existent soundstage is bad for audio positioning and knowing where your enemy is at. I even checked it with my REW.
They sounded so bad that even my Apple Airpods Pro and Jabra Elite 85T earbuds sounded way better and have a soundstage at the very least compared to the Focal Bathys headphone. Losing to Airpods and Jabra earbuds meant that its standards are even lower than that of a bunch of wireless earbuds. Goodness. That is a super low standard if I ever see one.

But guess what? Value Electronics's Headphone Shootout made that headphone beat out the Bowers & Wilkins Px8, Sony MDR-Z7M2 and even the Denon AH-D5200 to take the top spot in its price range category. Out of the 5 criterias for judging, the Focal Bathys failed 4. This includes Dynamic Range, Tonal Balance (it's not even flat), clarity & detail (as mentioned, those dips and peaks meant that this is not going to be possible) and Soundstage Imaging (as mentioned, it completely lacks of). The last criteria was comfort. And that is hard to put a number on that for people with different head sizes.
I can't say for the other headphones in its price range that lost to it. But this looks like a case of trying to make wireless headphones win something. Or even more of a marketing play to ensure increased sales at the end of the day. They are a business after all. They can't make a product lose so badly if it meant ruining their sales for those products in their stores. So they have to make it look good in some way or another.

Either way, RTings surprisingly confirmed my findings too. They even mentioned the non-existent soundstage that happens for all inputs by the way; Not just Bluetooth. "Since they have a closed-back design, their soundstage doesn't feel very open or spacious. Sound seems like it's coming from inside your head rather than from speakers placed in the room around you, which doesn't create a very immersive audio experience."

But hey, at the end of the day, RTings's data dump was surprisingly more helpful than the so called neutral testing done by the judges at the VE Headphone Shootout. I've always had my suspicion that a business aiming to sell products can never be completely neutral in their own shootout. This just confirms it. My own findings with REW and my own listening test was in line with what RTings data dump has to say. Maybe it could be different for the TVs since the judges may have a point of reference to refer to and are probably more neutral than those in the audio space. That could also play a part. But for their headphone shootout, either those other 3 headphones are pure hot garbage or what.
But either way, for the price range of the Focal Bathys to lose to a way cheaper mainstream Apple AirPods Pro 2 and Jabra Elite 85T that not only does well in wireless but also in ANC, I can never in my right conscience recommend anyone to buy the Focal Bathys like they did.

I find that you can't listened for long.
 

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I find that you can't listened for long.
Yup. I had a hard time listening to them when compared to my Emu Teaks that sounded way open and spacious and was rated very highly on ASR.
The Focal Bathys in comparison lacked that thunderous and rumbling bass that you will hear.

I was hoping I can correct the very low volume dips by using my Parametric EQ software even though I know it wouldn't help much in this case. Too low of a volume dip of more than -6dB is just a flaw in the speaker tweeter driver in producing that part of the frequency.
So I bought a miniDSP EARS with a mic and run the PEQ. For my Emu Teaks, Dirac Live did what it did with my Home Theatre System. It made the transition between front and back in games so perfectly smooth due to its amazing Parametric EQ that balances the entire frequency range so everything just sounds smoother and better for games.
Focal Bathys on the other hand, the flaws were still enunciated every time any music, video or game uses that part of the frequency range. As mentioned, this is the limitation of the speaker driver in producing the sound in that frequency range at the same volume as the rest of the audio. So it will sound very muffled and missing due to its extremely low volume in playing that sound in comparison to the rest.

I mean, when it loses to a pair of cheaper mainstream Apple Airpods 2nd gen and Jabra Elite 85T that even when combined, is still half the price of the Focal Bathys, then it is time to call it for what it is. A very well built, nicely designed heaphones paired with the cheapest fake Alibaba headphone drivers that they could get their hands on. And then slap that Focal level pricing on top of it and call it a day.

Oh! Talking about latency, you will have a way better latency on the Apple Airpods 2nd gen and the Jabra Elite 85T than you will on the Focal Bathys too. Videos are out of sync with the mouths moving first and even transiting to their next word before you will hear the words come out of these headphones. In Bluetooth, USB and Wired mode. Meaning that its in-built amplifier is taking way too long to process the audio with all of the ANC modes.

Basically, its so bad at everything that even a cheap pair of earbuds can do way better in every aspect of these headphones from sound quality to its basic featureset.

PS. I've also ran audio burn-in for about a week to allow the speaker drivers to stretch itself at every frequency and produce the sound more properly by the end of it. (I do this with all my earphones, headphones, speakers) but in this case, it is a no-bueno. Doesn't do much for the speaker driver's weakness.

I mean those who would want to buy it should really consider bringing your headphones or even your Apple Airpods to a shop that allows you to demo the Focal Bathys. And hear it for yourself

In the case for me, my own listening experience is in-line with the objective results that a microphone picked up from that speaker drivers too in the RTings test. So yup.
 

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hi guys, im looking for a wireless earbud for my phone. usage is just for music/drama/games on my phone.
my budget is about $150, any recommendations? if i increase my budget is like $180, any much better one?
thanks in advance. seek advise here
 

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hi guys, im looking for a wireless earbud for my phone. usage is just for music/drama/games on my phone.
my budget is about $150, any recommendations? if i increase my budget is like $180, any much better one?
thanks in advance. seek advise here
Are you referring to true wireless models?

there is another thread on TWS in this section

is this your first time buying a TWS? If so, no need to spend so much at the start, something like qcy t13 is good enough, below $30

quite a few reviews on youtube, you can take a look

check official qcy lazada or shopee stores to see which side cheaper
https://s.lazada.sg/s.bhnsnhttps://shp.ee/p8yj7n4
 
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