HELP!! ): bad a level grades, h1maths vs h2maths, ntu/nus comp sci

MoxLotus

Master Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2007
Messages
2,982
Reaction score
4
Please do not link Pre-U Math with Math. :s13:

TYVM.

Totally agree with the above statement... :s13::s13:

anyway if u wanna know what algorithm is all about....
visit the 2 links below, u will be doing problems like this kind in CS1010/CS1020/CS2010/CS3230
UVa Online Judge - Home
http://codeforces.com/

And below are some of the essential books for anyone interested in algorithms
Algorithms (4th Edition): Robert Sedgewick, Kevin Wayne: 9780321573513: Amazon.com: Books
Amazon.com: Introduction to Algorithms (9780262033848): Thomas H. Cormen, Charles E. Leiserson, Ronald L. Rivest, Clifford Stein: Books
Introduction to the Theory of Computation: Michael Sipser: 9781133187790: Amazon.com: Books

If u wanna learn how to do mathematical proofs, read the book below.
Mathematical Proofs: A Transition to Advanced Mathematics (3rd Edition) (Featured Titles for Transition to Advanced Mathematics): Gary Chartrand, Albert D. Polimeni, Ping Zhang: 9780321797094: Amazon.com: Books

Anyway, u can always join NUS IS first to know what comp sci is really about, if u think u r really interested in comp sci, u can transfer major after sem1. However, most of the time ppl transfer from CS > IS. I rarely see ppl transfer from IS > CS. haha.:s13:
 

ninjarebel

Junior Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2014
Messages
28
Reaction score
0
Hi guys, sorry to deviate a little from what y'all were talking about but I'm just wondering if I stand a chance at all to enter NTU comp sci? I got BCD/B (B-math, C-physics, D-chem, 70 UES).

Right now I've been shortlisted to attend SMU's SIS interview but I'm not the presentation/project people. Not that I can't talk in front of big groups, just that I hate it and I hate working in teams. Also, I think IS is kinda different from Comp Sci?

I know some of you said to apply anyway as first choice and I did but seeing so many friends get offered a place already makes me very scared lol. Anyone care to share their opinion?
 

Buaya_Hunter

Banned
Joined
Jun 8, 2001
Messages
27,523
Reaction score
0
Finally got ppl discussing about computing course online after so long.

I can say that make sure that you don't choose computing as a last resort to enter local uni, be mentally prepare to last the course (don't let a few stumbling blocks demoralize u - it's common along the way) and work smart yet be pro active. The rest I not need to teach you ah...
 
Last edited:

Buaya_Hunter

Banned
Joined
Jun 8, 2001
Messages
27,523
Reaction score
0
Totally agree with the above statement... :s13::s13:

anyway if u wanna know what algorithm is all about....
visit the 2 links below, u will be doing problems like this kind in CS1010/CS1020/CS2010/CS3230
UVa Online Judge - Home
Codeforces

And below are some of the essential books for anyone interested in algorithms
Algorithms (4th Edition): Robert Sedgewick, Kevin Wayne: 9780321573513: Amazon.com: Books
Amazon.com: Introduction to Algorithms (9780262033848): Thomas H. Cormen, Charles E. Leiserson, Ronald L. Rivest, Clifford Stein: Books
Introduction to the Theory of Computation: Michael Sipser: 9781133187790: Amazon.com: Books

If u wanna learn how to do mathematical proofs, read the book below.
Mathematical Proofs: A Transition to Advanced Mathematics (3rd Edition) (Featured Titles for Transition to Advanced Mathematics): Gary Chartrand, Albert D. Polimeni, Ping Zhang: 9780321797094: Amazon.com: Books

Anyway, u can always join NUS IS first to know what comp sci is really about, if u think u r really interested in comp sci, u can transfer major after sem1. However, most of the time ppl transfer from CS > IS. I rarely see ppl transfer from IS > CS. haha.:s13:

Lor, CS1231 is the real introduction to comp sci (Unless they volunteer to take dr ben class cs1101s)
 

swordsly

Master Member
Joined
Jan 16, 2008
Messages
3,400
Reaction score
0
Hi guys, sorry to deviate a little from what y'all were talking about but I'm just wondering if I stand a chance at all to enter NTU comp sci? I got BCD/B (B-math, C-physics, D-chem, 70 UES).

Right now I've been shortlisted to attend SMU's SIS interview but I'm not the presentation/project people. Not that I can't talk in front of big groups, just that I hate it and I hate working in teams. Also, I think IS is kinda different from Comp Sci?

I know some of you said to apply anyway as first choice and I did but seeing so many friends get offered a place already makes me very scared lol. Anyone care to share their opinion?

Why are you asking us about entering NTU when you are in an NUS sub-forum? :s13:
You hate working in teams? What makes you think you dont have to work in teams in computer science?

IS is more business applications (as far as i understand it).
And no, comp sci is not purely about developing applications or websites; those are just a subset of the entire comp sci field. (lemme mention this first in case you caught the wrong wind from mistaken folks or you didnt catch it at all from the previous pages)

Now again, since you're new: Why the interest in joining comp sci?

Lor, CS1231 is the real introduction to comp sci (Unless they volunteer to take dr ben class cs1101s)

CS1231... really I'm taking it just to pass. The content is really for people who wants to further in comp sci technical modules; database focus for eg.
For me, a CM student, really is not-much-of-a-use mod. That's why sem2 is better for me. Maybe for true blue comp sci students, sem1 under breesan will learn more.

Ben's CS1101S is... truly lol. I heard now want to do the 2048 game as homework or something.
 
Last edited:

ninjarebel

Junior Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2014
Messages
28
Reaction score
0
Why are you asking us about entering NTU when you are in an NUS sub-forum? :s13:
You hate working in teams? What makes you think you dont have to work in teams in computer science?

IS is more business applications (as far as i understand it).
And no, comp sci is not purely about developing applications or websites; those are just a subset of the entire comp sci field. (lemme mention this first in case you caught the wrong wind from mistaken folks or you didnt catch it at all from the previous pages)

Now again, since you're new: Why the interest in joining comp sci?

Hi, I posted here because the NTU one stopped having discussions like 3 weeks ago so I thought maybe here I'd get responses faster? If that makes sense lol... Anyway when I mentioned I hate working in teams, I meant that I think SMU has more projects. SMU makes me feel they "package" their students to "sell" themselves to employers-like they're all power suits and very eloquent (correct me if I'm wrong). Sure, NTU & NUS confirm have projects but compared to SMU should be lesser.

Sadly none of the other courses I qualify for interests me at all. For CS only bits of it attracts me like programming and like what sadgirl mentioned 2 pages back, what I can do with CS just might keep my interest long enough till I graduate. Plus CS no physics. I'm so done with physics that I might just hate the other courses lol. Also, my dad has been in this field for over 20 years so I figured if I ever need help, he's always there :).

But can I know why you seniors were interested in CS? I asked my dad and he said this field is in demand(during his time, not sure about now) aka more job opportunities aka he makes more money (sounds superficial but hey, I had a good life).
 

swordsly

Master Member
Joined
Jan 16, 2008
Messages
3,400
Reaction score
0
Hi, I posted here because the NTU one stopped having discussions like 3 weeks ago so I thought maybe here I'd get responses faster? If that makes sense lol... Anyway when I mentioned I hate working in teams, I meant that I think SMU has more projects. SMU makes me feel they "package" their students to "sell" themselves to employers-like they're all power suits and very eloquent (correct me if I'm wrong). Sure, NTU & NUS confirm have projects but compared to SMU should be lesser.

Sadly none of the other courses I qualify for interests me at all. For CS only bits of it attracts me like programming and like what sadgirl mentioned 2 pages back, what I can do with CS just might keep my interest long enough till I graduate. Plus CS no physics. I'm so done with physics that I might just hate the other courses lol. Also, my dad has been in this field for over 20 years so I figured if I ever need help, he's always there :).

But can I know why you seniors were interested in CS? I asked my dad and he said this field is in demand(during his time, not sure about now) aka more job opportunities aka he makes more money (sounds superficial but hey, I had a good life).

If I may be so bold (in my opinion), NUS has better ranking than NTU which implies NUS should (technically) be tougher to get in. I'm not from JC so I don't know what your grades mean. I'll leave that to the JC kias.

CS, depending on the modules you take, will have projects. Yes most likely lesser than SMU (NUS that is, can't comment on NTU). You're quite right about SMU branding though.
If you truly have an interest in the real CS stuffs, start by going through the curriculum of CS. Look at the links moxlotus posted (he's hardcore on algorithms btw).
And also, start learning programming yourself. You need to learn to be comfortable with it to really survive in CS (note I said comfortable, not love).

I don't know about NTU CS but NUS CS no physics? *insert please-kill-yourself-meme*. mgx died precisely due to physics in NUS.

Your dad's working as a <insert CS type job here>? Sure 20 years ago it's definitely high in demand, good in pay due to the technology boom; just like the demand for engineers and their good pay.
So fast-forward to this decade, what do we have? People shun engineers job, SME treating programmers as blue-collared slaves. I'm not saying the infocomm industry is dead but you do know we have abundance of FTs who's willing to work like a peon and compete with low wage over such jobs. Thus, the demand varies for different fields in CS.

I'm not in CS. I'm a CM student in NUS, 1/2 of me belongs to SoC, taking foundation modules similar to CS counterparts.
You can read my history in the previous pages.

Oh on a side note, regardless you will always have to work in teams when you are in CS.
You may want to start cultivating a liking to work in one.
 
Last edited:

ninjarebel

Junior Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2014
Messages
28
Reaction score
0
If I may be so bold (in my opinion), NUS has better ranking than NTU which implies NUS should (technically) be tougher to get in. I'm not from JC so I don't know what your grades mean. I'll leave that to the JC kias.

Definitely, the moment I received my results I knew I had low to zero chance of entering NUS. As for what my JC grades mean... just know that it's bad.

Your dad's working as a <insert CS type job here>? Sure 20 years ago it's definitely high in demand, good in pay due to the technology boom; just like the demand for engineers and their good pay.
So fast-forward to this decade, what do we have? People shun engineers job, SME treating programmers as blue-collared slaves. I'm not saying the infocomm industry is dead but you do know we have abundance of FTs who's willing to work like a peon and compete with low wage over such jobs. Thus, the demand varies for different fields in CS.

He's an automation manager at STMicro. Keeps telling me a lot of things overlap between CS/CE and maybe IS? He never went to Uni so everything he learnt was through his self-study. Started as a technician(I think) for the company and worked his way up.

It's frustrating because I want to either a)transfer overseas after 2 years or b)graduate here and take my masters overseas then eventually move out of SG but there's a lack of people able to advise me on my situation :(.
 

swordsly

Master Member
Joined
Jan 16, 2008
Messages
3,400
Reaction score
0
Definitely, the moment I received my results I knew I had low to zero chance of entering NUS. As for what my JC grades mean... just know that it's bad.



He's an automation manager at STMicro. Keeps telling me a lot of things overlap between CS/CE and maybe IS? He never went to Uni so everything he learnt was through his self-study. Started as a technician(I think) for the company and worked his way up.

It's frustrating because I want to either a)transfer overseas after 2 years or b)graduate here and take my masters overseas then eventually move out of SG but there's a lack of people able to advise me on my situation :(.

No idea what's an Automation Manager but it sounds like an engineering job to me that deals with IT.
He's right that CS/CE has overlap (I assume CE == comp engine). It's just that CS focuses above the physical layer while CE focuses more on the physical layer (thus required to learn engineering stuffs like building circuits etc).

It really depends on what of IT you really want to develop yourself in. Masters, in my honest opinion, is for those who wants to go into research work (academia). I have no idea why people want to take straight Masters and work in private sectors though...
 

MoxLotus

Master Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2007
Messages
2,982
Reaction score
4
He's an automation manager at STMicro. Keeps telling me a lot of things overlap between CS/CE and maybe IS? He never went to Uni so everything he learnt was through his self-study. Started as a technician(I think) for the company and worked his way up.

It's frustrating because I want to either a)transfer overseas after 2 years or b)graduate here and take my masters overseas then eventually move out of SG but there's a lack of people able to advise me on my situation :(.

CS, CE are only overlapped in a few modules, the core of the majors are very different. CS focus mainly on algorithm theories, application of algorithms, software engineering.
CE focus on hardware stuff like computer architectures, electronics. u will see more assembly language related mods in CE than CS.
IS focus on using IT solution in biz. very little programming mods. more like biz to me.

And where do u wanna move after 2 yrs? if u wanna go overseas, might as well do it now... y do u wanna waste 2 yrs here and move in the middle of ur study? this is unwise imo.
Anyway given ur grades, u can make it into some UK uni easily. =)
 

ninjarebel

Junior Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2014
Messages
28
Reaction score
0
And where do u wanna move after 2 yrs? if u wanna go overseas, might as well do it now... y do u wanna waste 2 yrs here and move in the middle of ur study? this is unwise imo.
Anyway given ur grades, u can make it into some UK uni easily. =)

US. I have an existing medical condition and the doctors are reducing my meds so 2 years is enough for it to be stabilize. It's not a matter of wasting time or that overseas Unis are too ex but more of not letting my parents worry too much. In fact, moving overseas is much better than staying in SG for my condition.

I did consider UK & AUS besides US. I was thinking that if I have a chance in Uni to get a good gpa, then why not use it to try for better colleges rather than using my A lvl results. IMO, there are two general groups of people who go overseas for Uni: those darn good ones(Ivy league/Harvard/Oxford/NYU that kind) or those who cannot make it locally.
 

kingtrade

Banned
Joined
Feb 13, 2004
Messages
26,279
Reaction score
0
US. I have an existing medical condition and the doctors are reducing my meds so 2 years is enough for it to be stabilize. It's not a matter of wasting time or that overseas Unis are too ex but more of not letting my parents worry too much. In fact, moving overseas is much better than staying in SG for my condition.

I did consider UK & AUS besides US. I was thinking that if I have a chance in Uni to get a good gpa, then why not use it to try for better colleges rather than using my A lvl results. IMO, there are two general groups of people who go overseas for Uni: those darn good ones(Ivy league/Harvard/Oxford/NYU that kind) or those who cannot make it locally.

In that case, just apply first.

But honestly, ur grade considered borderline case to enter computing or engineering course in local uni.

In case u don't make it, maybe u can try place like America college (not advertising for them) where u can complete general education courses first, then try to transfer credits to your desired college when u apply for them later.
 
Important Forum Advisory Note
This forum is moderated by volunteer moderators who will react only to members' feedback on posts. Moderators are not employees or representatives of HWZ Forums. Forum members and moderators are responsible for their own posts. Please refer to our Community Guidelines and Standards and Terms and Conditions for more information.
Top