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No, she has MediShield Life since she’s a Permanent Resident. Plus MediSave dollars, presumably. She’s not uninsured, but she’s probably underinsured. (MediShield Life doesn’t work too well for PRs.)

These decisions are still hers to make. You cannot force Integrated Shield coverage on her. She signs the application and declaration, or she doesn’t. Her choice.


Plan applicants fill out and sign a health declaration. However, regardless of whether the pre-existing condition is declared or not, the insurance carrier is within its rights to deny coverage for a pre-existing medical condition. Also, beyond the fact that it could be insurance fraud not to declare, the carrier is within its rights to terminate the policy of somebody who didn’t make a truthful declaration.
but I cannot declare something if I am not aware of. I visited a specialist for a consultation but chose not to follow through with the investigative procedure as the pain and symptoms passed. Would that be a pre existing condition?

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The agents helping you with the application should assist you on the medial declaration. It may not be a specific condition but the signs and symptoms are still good information to provide the insurer with.

Usually such one-off signs should not trigger any further investigative reports.

but I cannot declare something if I am not aware of. I visited a specialist for a consultation but chose not to follow through with the investigative procedure as the pain and symptoms passed. Would that be a pre existing condition?

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The agents helping you with the application should assist you on the medial declaration. It may not be a specific condition but the signs and symptoms are still good information to provide the insurer with.
Yes, but whether or not the agent helps, it’s your obligation to make a truthful declaration. Yes, of course, if you have no knowledge of a medical condition then it’s not something you can report.

I visited a specialist for a consultation but chose not to follow through with the investigative procedure as the pain and symptoms passed. Would that be a pre existing condition?
Answer the questions asked truthfully to the best of your ability. For example, if you’re asked “Have you experienced any pain?” then you would answer that question in the affirmative.
 

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Yes, but whether or not the agent helps, it’s your obligation to make a truthful declaration. Yes, of course, if you have no knowledge of a medical condition then it’s not something you can report.


Answer the questions asked truthfully to the best of your ability. For example, if you’re asked “Have you experienced any pain?” then you would answer that question in the affirmative.
The pain happened during one of the most stressful period in my life for 2 months. And subsequently stopped after for like 6 months le.

The stressful period was during my renovation and home furnishing period, where my reno had some hiccups because I am a worrisome person. Haha

Thanks though.
I am reading through the other thread. And considering raffles shield a for me and wife.

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I am reading through the other thread. And considering raffles shield a for me and wife.
You should give careful thought to whether you really ought to change insurance carriers given that any carrier change involves a pre-existing condition reset. If you're quite healthy and don't have any pre-existing conditions, that should be fine. Otherwise, a relatively minor coverage improvement isn't likely worth a pre-existing condition reset.

Of course there's no obligation that you and your spouse must be insured with the same carrier. It's quite common to have different coverage levels or even different carriers within a household.
 

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The pain happened during one of the most stressful period in my life for 2 months. And subsequently stopped after for like 6 months le.

The stressful period was during my renovation and home furnishing period, where my reno had some hiccups because I am a worrisome person. Haha

Thanks though.
I am reading through the other thread. And considering raffles shield a for me and wife.

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dun play play, change might cause u big regret! Never change ISP at this time when govt/insurance co making changes to reduce your benefits!

what do u have now with ntuc income? full rider?
 

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ya, nv change any plan now.. if ur rider is AS CHARGE.
 

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ya, nv change any plan now.. if ur rider is AS CHARGE.

Never change ISP at this time when govt/insurance co making changes to reduce your benefits!

what do u have now with ntuc income? full rider?
I disagree. You pay premiums for "zero dollar" riders. They're not free. Is a $5 or even $500 medical bill a calamity, a catastrophe? No, and you shouldn't be trying to insure against small bills in a private insurance market.

Insurance that has a reasonable deductible and/or co-pays, with a reasonable annual cap, is absolutely fine -- and the premiums are lower, other things being equal. Take the money you save in premiums and use it more wisely.

The one exception here is if you expect (or already are) making lots of medical claims that your "zero dollar" rider is covering, more than most people do. In that exceptional case you're winning the insurance bet, even after accounting for insurance company overheads and profits. You're a "bad risk," in other words. If you are a bad risk, then sure, it makes sense to keep winning. But this is also why you really don't want to cling to the legacy "zero dollar" riders, because the premiums are inevitably going to spike. Why? Because the bad risks will want to keep them, and low/zero claim policyholders will be chased away with the escalating premiums.

Check back in a couple years to see if my "zero dollar" rider premium prediction is accurate. :D
 

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I disagree. You pay premiums for "zero dollar" riders. They're not free. Is a $5 or even $500 medical bill a calamity, a catastrophe? No, and you shouldn't be trying to insure against small bills in a private insurance market.

Insurance that has a reasonable deductible and/or co-pays, with a reasonable annual cap, is absolutely fine -- and the premiums are lower, other things being equal. Take the money you save in premiums and use it more wisely.

The one exception here is if you expect (or already are) making lots of medical claims that your "zero dollar" rider is covering, more than most people do. In that exceptional case you're winning the insurance bet, even after accounting for insurance company overheads and profits. You're a "bad risk," in other words. If you are a bad risk, then sure, it makes sense to keep winning. But this is also why you really don't want to cling to the legacy "zero dollar" riders, because the premiums are inevitably going to spike. Why? Because the bad risks will want to keep them, and low/zero claim policyholders will be chased away with the escalating premiums.

Check back in a couple years to see if my "zero dollar" rider premium prediction is accurate. :D

If u can predict u won't be a bad risk, then no need to buy ISP :s13:

Got govt subsidies, why worry, can afford, why worry, govt pay for it, why worry, until cannot pay then worry, my choice, you can have yours, he can have his, but dun be misled :s13:

I only have ntuc income enhanced B full rider, used twice due to accidental injuries.
 
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If u can predict u won't be a bad risk, then no need to buy ISP :s13:
If you cannot predict that you will be a "bad risk" (have high medical claims), then you're financially better off insuring against the big hospital bills that you would find difficult or impossible to handle on your own, not small medical bills. That's premium efficient.

Got govt subsidies, why worry, can afford, why worry, govt pay for it, why worry, until cannot pay then worry, my choice, you can have yours, he can have his, but dun be misled :s13:
You're being silly again. The rule compliant riders cap annual out of pocket costs for covered services at $3,000, and that's mostly or fully MediSave payable. Practically everybody in the middle class and above can handle that, and there really is no worry. I'm all in favor of insurance as a general principle, but I'm not in favor (unless you're a "bad risk" or have special insight that you will be) of defending against $68 medical bills. That's just not financially smart, unless you're a bad risk or can predict you will be.
 

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my choice, I dun mind paying premiums over say 10 years which adds up to the 3k I would have to spend shld it be used, its partially funded by the govt anyway, subsidies I get to enjoy :s13:

Your choice if u opt to save it now and pay later, anyway PR has no choice but to pay, we have choice not to pay :s13:

End here, dun wish to waste time here.
 
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my choice, I dun mind paying premiums over say 10 years which adds up to the 3k I would have to spend shld it be used, its partially funded by the govt anyway, subsidies I get to enjoy :s13:

Your choice if u opt to save it now and pay later, anyway PR has no choice but to pay, we have choice not to pay :s13:

End here, dun wish to waste time here.

Am quite sure the increase in premium over the short period of years will add up to more than $3k. Unless a person claims yearly, not easy to get back the sum.

Saw that even the new rider for some companies are more expensive than their current 100% rider. Unless i see wrongly...
 

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Saw that even the new rider for some companies are more expensive than their current 100% rider. Unless i see wrongly...
That has happened with some carriers, yes. It's quite weird for now, but I take it as a sign that the "legacy" rider premiums are going to be increased a lot.
 

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That has happened with some carriers, yes. It's quite weird for now, but I take it as a sign that the "legacy" rider premiums are going to be increased a lot.
Upon the renewal next year?

I am on income. Private assist plus rider I think.
Not 100% coverage

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Upon the renewal next year?

I am on income. Private assist plus rider I think.
Not 100% coverage

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For those who want, can switch to the new rider starting 01/04/19. For those who still want full 100% rider, can still apply now before 29/03/19 (to include 2 days for underwriting).

But the full rider will only be available till Mar 2021, after which have to force switch to new rider. Unless the 100% rider was bought before Mar 2018
 

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For those who want, can switch to the new rider starting 01/04/19. For those who still want full 100% rider, can still apply now before 29/03/19 (to include 2 days for underwriting).

But the full rider will only be available till Mar 2021, after which have to force switch to new rider. Unless the 100% rider was bought before Mar 2018
Wait. You mean those who bought 100% rider before March 2018 can keep it permanently?

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Wait. You mean those who bought 100% rider before March 2018 can keep it permanently?

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Yes but most likely at a huge increase of premiums. Because govt and insurers want to "encourage" people to change to the new 5% rider. So those who can afford and don't mind the increase, they can keep it permanently.

https://income.com.sg/changes-to-incomeshield-riders
 

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going to fix an appt with raffles shield agent to find out more.
 

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Upon the renewal next year?

I am on income. Private assist plus rider I think.
Not 100% coverage

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You are on assist plus, copay limit 2k plus cash benefits. Your pte coverage premium is X, so your rider also X

I am on enhanced incomeshield B with plus rider. I can continue to keep the rider so long I think i can afford to pay but once it escalates at an older age, I can downgrade to assist plus in future and copay limit 2k.

New riders deluxe copay 5% limit 3k, classic 10% limit 3k are for new policy holders. Once u terminate your policy and later return, u are under new riders.

Lets compare the premium of the 4 riders under enhanced incomeshield B, using eg age band 41-45:

Plus = 237, Assist = 157, difference 80
deluxe = 213, classic 133

I pay for Plus = 80 more than Assist = 2000/80 < estimated 20 years (increase by age band), I am paying in advance to cover 20years, which to me is ok. Insurance is an expense, nothing happens good, we dun want anything to happen.

The new riders dun offer cash benefits. Under Plus/Assist, if I stay in a lower ward, I get cashback = recovery of some premiums plus cover medical costs not covered by policy.

Does the new policy u are switching to offer such benefits, besides other benefits u are looking at which Income dun offer.

I just noticed Income increased the pre/post hospitalisation benefit to 100 days. Need to check on this.

I will never switch, risk of exclusion!
 
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