Intel ARC series GPU (Over 40% perf/$ vs Nvidia)

[ragnarok95]

The product just launched, yet some keep shilling, telling everyone to buy it for its price-to-raster performance ratio and now this happens.

As I've already said, buying a GPU involves more than just that factor, intel arc is still new, its driver are unrefined and the gpu might have unexpected issues.

Intel is not even a company with good track record in making discrete GPU like nv/amd, why would anyone even recommend to jump the gun on this?

Sometimes, the level of idiocy is truly unbelievable.

To be honest, if i have S$400 now and looking for a gpu, i will just go Carousell and get a 2nd hand RTX3070 for S$3xx. Beat all the RTX4060/4060Ti/B580 cards out there. 8GB RTX3070 still gives you better value over any 12GB B580 and 16GB 4060 ti.

 

[NightRaven49]

To be honest, if i have S$400 now and looking for a gpu, i will just go Carousell and get a 2nd hand RTX3070 for S$3xx. Beat all the RTX4060/4060Ti/B580 cards out there. 8GB RTX3070 still gives you better value over any 12GB B580 and 16GB 4060 ti.

even for brand new gpus, the 7700xt @ $5xx is a better value pick over the b580 if the latter costs anything more than $400 like it does now. its generally about 25-30% faster and u dont have to deal with driver peculiarities (like having to fiddle with apsm or deal with cpu overhead). u would only go for it if u insist on brand new gpu but ur gpu budget cant go much higher than $400, where only the 4060 and 7600 exist.

 

[philips107]

even for brand new gpus, the 7700xt @ $5xx is a better value pick over the b580 if the latter costs anything more than $400 like it does now. its generally about 25-30% faster and u dont have to deal with driver peculiarities (like having to fiddle with apsm or deal with cpu overhead). u would only go for it if u insist on brand new gpu but ur gpu budget cant go much higher than $400, where only the 4060 and 7600 exist.

Good analysis on the positioning. For a certain segment of users, the B580 is the clear choice.

There was a earlier post where Aftershock offered 2 Ryzen 5600 builds with the same price of $795, only difference being one is offered with a 4060, while the other had the B580. For me, I will take the B580 if I am not willing to pay more than $795. There may be even potential upsides if the Intel drivers improve over time (not an unreasonable expectation, given the card has just being introduced).

Sometimes, the level of idiocy of Intel haters is truly unbelievable, exhibiting typical retard behavior.

 

[final1]

I would generally avoid GPUs using Samsung foundries and stick with those from TSMC.
Samsung's tech generally isn't very good with heat output. Exynos ; Geforce 3000 series *cough*
Buyers note Geforce 3000s only supports up to DLSS2 if that matters.

Also, comparing a used GPU price to a new GPU price ; no warranty etc.
Not apples to apples to be fair.
But, i take the point on an absolute monetary basis ignoring everything else.

 

[final1]

Good analysis on the positioning. For a certain segment of users, the B580 is the clear choice.

There was a earlier post where Aftershock offered 2 Ryzen 5600 builds with the same price of $795, only difference being one is offered with a 4060, while the other had the B580. For me, I will take the B580 if I am not willing to pay more than $795. There may be even potential upsides if the Intel drivers improve over time (not an unreasonable expectation, given the card has just being introduced).

Sometimes, the level of idiocy of Intel haters is truly unbelievable, exhibiting typical retard behavior.

Its important to note that the B580's sweet spot is 1440p gaming.
Not 1080p.

 

[final1]

even for brand new gpus, the 7700xt @ $5xx is a better value pick over the b580 if the latter costs anything more than $400 like it does now. its generally about 25-30% faster and u dont have to deal with driver peculiarities (like having to fiddle with apsm or deal with cpu overhead). u would only go for it if u insist on brand new gpu but ur gpu budget cant go much higher than $400, where only the 4060 and 7600 exist.

Are we taking it that radeon drivers are absolutely perfect? lol.
I have used radeons before.

 

[final1]

GN did state that despite the price perf ratio he would still hold back his recommendation to the typical consumer because intel is still in the early stages of creating arc gpus.

A lot of people don't usually watch the conclusion part, and after they watch the price/perf parts of the vid, they just praise it endlessly and start recommending it to others.

This is the typical retard behavior.

I watched the Gamers Nexus B580 review.
They recommended it if the buyer feels the price is right for them.
Or, did i understand his English wrongly?

 

[NightRaven49]

Are we taking it that radeon drivers are absolutely perfect? lol.
I have used radeons before.

i daily drove a rx580 for 5 years before getting a750, i certainly didnt have to worry about some stuff i worry on arc.

 

[final1]

i daily drove a rx580 for 5 years before getting a750, i certainly didnt have to worry about some stuff i worry on arc.

Battlemage has improved significantly over Alchemist. I think we acknowledge that.

 

[NightRaven49]

Battlemage has improved significantly over Alchemist. I think we acknowledge that.

dont own a b580 so i cannot comment. i can say both amd and intel are fine for general use, fairly smooth experience with either, though not sure why people cling on to aMd dRiVeR bAd. apsm somehow isnt working for me so i have to deal with 40-50w idle power, some older games not on dx11/12 would probably run way better on amd without resorting to something like dxvk, and intel recently dropped driver based recording/streaming which is a bit of a bummer for me. as a drop in upgrade for older systems, u also dont have to worry about having a supported cpu or resizable bar going radeon.

 

[soreloser]

I would generally avoid GPUs using Samsung foundries and stick with those from TSMC.
Samsung's tech generally isn't very good with heat output. Exynos ; Geforce 3000 series *cough*
Buyers note Geforce 3000s only supports up to DLSS2 if that matters.

Also, comparing a used GPU price to a new GPU price ; no warranty etc.
Not apples to apples to be fair.
But, i take the point on an absolute monetary basis ignoring everything else.

RTX 3000 supports DLSS3(Upscaling and Ray Reconstruction, not Frame Generation)

 

[final1]

RTX 3000 supports DLSS3(Upscaling and Ray Reconstruction, not Frame Generation)

Dlss3 only on 4000 series or later.

 

[soreloser]

Dlss3 only on 4000 series or later.

It's not. DLSS3 is not frame generation.

 

[watzup_ken]

dont own a b580 so i cannot comment. i can say both amd and intel are fine for general use, fairly smooth experience with either, though not sure why people cling on to aMd dRiVeR bAd. apsm somehow isnt working for me so i have to deal with 40-50w idle power, some older games not on dx11/12 would probably run way better on amd without resorting to something like dxvk, and intel recently dropped driver based recording/streaming which is a bit of a bummer for me. as a drop in upgrade for older systems, u also dont have to worry about having a supported cpu or resizable bar going radeon.

I used the Arc A770 for a few months and to be honest, I find nothing wrong with it. The driver is certainly not as refined as AMD or Nvidia, but that is to be expected for their first discrete GPU. AMD and Nvidia had decades to refine their GPU drivers which a newcomer like Intel will not be able to catch up so quickly.

 

[ragnarok95]

even for brand new gpus, the 7700xt @ $5xx is a better value pick over the b580 if the latter costs anything more than $400 like it does now. its generally about 25-30% faster and u dont have to deal with driver peculiarities (like having to fiddle with apsm or deal with cpu overhead). u would only go for it if u insist on brand new gpu but ur gpu budget cant go much higher than $400, where only the 4060 and 7600 exist.

I will just save up and buy a 7700XT or just stick to a 2nd hand RTX3070/RTX3060Ti. All are faster than B580, without the headache on software side. B580 is for a niche group of user, IMO.

 

[final1]

It's not. DLSS3 is not frame generation.

I am 100% sure DLSS3 only officially supported by nvidia on geforce 4000 and above.
There is no need to discuss about it.

 

[NightRaven49]

I used the Arc A770 for a few months and to be honest, I find nothing wrong with it. The driver is certainly not as refined as AMD or Nvidia, but that is to be expected for their first discrete GPU. AMD and Nvidia had decades to refine their GPU drivers which a newcomer like Intel will not be able to catch up so quickly.

yea at the end of the day intel drivers are generally stable if a bit lacking, really my biggest complaint is the idle power lol. i just think it is quite ironic to try to take a dig at radeon drivers when the intel one is still very much a work in progress.

 

[watzup_ken]

yea at the end of the day intel drivers are generally stable if a bit lacking, really my biggest complaint is the idle power lol. i just think it is quite ironic to try to take a dig at radeon drivers when the intel one is still very much a work in progress.

I am not sure if the idle power issue will be resolved by Intel eventually because the same problem seems to plague the Arc Alchemist and I believe remains unresolved. This issue is not remote to Intel because AMD ran into the same problem with RDNA 2 and 3, and it took them like 9 months to fix it. For me, the idle power is not an issue because I mostly only switch on my main rig when gaming. So chances of it left in idle for prolong period of time is very low.

 

[soreloser]

I am 100% sure DLSS3 only officially supported by nvidia on geforce 4000 and above.
There is no need to discuss about it.

that is a slide by nvidia and you refuse to read it , whatever you say i guess. No need to give any information to the voluntarily blind. please dont give any advice to anyone if you refuse to face facts

 

[final1]

that is a slide by nvidia and you refuse to read it , whatever you say i guess. No need to give any information to the voluntarily blind. please dont give any advice to anyone if you refuse to face facts

yawn.