Intel I9, anyone?

[Phases]

intel may lower the actual price, the price is indicative as of now, right?

 

[longsiew]

hm....its either intel reduce price or AMD increase price.....

 

[elmariachi]

intel may lower the actual price, the price is indicative as of now, right?

hm....its either intel reduce price or AMD increase price.....

To an extent AMD has won but not in the sense everyone is thinking. The way AMD has won is they are not in neck and neck competition with Intel. This is somewhere they haven't been since the Phenom CPU days. This is where they succeeded.

However, the TRUE winner are the consumers as this revived competition between AMD and Intel will cause prices to drop to a reasonable level compared to performance gains. Intel was giving 4-7% boosts in performance each chip cycle but pricing them slightly higher than the previous one the past 8 to 10 years. The industry stagnated as a result and only Intel was winning under that system. With AMD back in the mix Intel is forced to actually give proper performance increases on their products.

For me, I feel the new Core processors from Intel are going back to the Prescott (PresHOT) days only difference is that Intel will still have an advantage of a slightly higher IPC at the expense of bad heat and high price. I quite honestly think AMD has got a ground up better chip as far as Threadripper goes instead of Intel's half baked chip which apparently seems like a 'rush' to the market to counter AMD. The sleeping dragon has finally WOKEN UP.

 

[raysusan]

 

[ragnarok95]

A lot of youtubers are bashing X299 in almost every directions.

 

[Gattberserk]

A lot of youtubers are bashing X299 in almost every directions.

This is why I believe ppl will not hoot X299 like what some thought it would.


Is not the MB maker fault to be honest. Its intel chipset and cpu screwed up.

 

[Piezoq]

I think it will be a long time before we see 7nm. 10nm from Samsung isn't up to capacity yet.

I think we will see the same delays Intel has experienced recently from the other foundries.

I guess it all depend on how fast Zen+ is coming out. If its based on 7nm which has 3.3X density better than 14nm. Be rest assured Intel will accelerate their 10nm CPU to match because 7nm Zen is going to double the core count easily.

 

[LiLAsN]

It seems that even the i9 equivalent of Threadripper based on the recently released benchmarks is not as impressive as AMD's Threadripper itself as explained in this video.

 

[Gattberserk]

I think it will be a long time before we see 7nm. 10nm from Samsung isn't up to capacity yet.

I think we will see the same delays Intel has experienced recently from the other foundries.

You do realised AMD is using a more inferior 14nm process node as compared to Intel right? In that sense AMD have clearly won based on CPU design alone.


Had it not for GF 14nm poor performance, limiting Zen to 4GHz, Intel would have been in big serious trouble.


Once 10nm or 7nm comes, Intel dominance will end because AMD will create many small CPU die that is much more powerful than Ryzen and link them up together to create a giant monster using infinity fabric. Intel doom is really near.

 

[ragnarok95]

Intel doom is not near. Not at least for the next 5-10 yrs.

 

[elmariachi]

I do not forsee many people jumping to the X299 with it's half baked production process. Morover, the PRICE. I for one, am especially interested in the move to AMD now. They have a significantly better chip design from ground up. All that matters now is how software game and app developers optimise the platform which I hope to see mature faster than that of Ryzen.

Moreover, I think this time around alot of major Youtube channels like Jayz2cents, der8auer and Linus have spoken their honest thoughts and even they do not seem happy with the new Intel chipset and their chips and they have millions of followers. YouTube creates revolutions and I would see that translate into AMD having the edge this time around.

I think for enthusiasts if the AMD clocks better and can equal or come close to Intel's offering, price is all that matters. And this AMD will have the edge. Forsee Intel to do price cuts along the way as Threadripper matures and gains traction amongst enthusiast crowds.

Intel is not doomed for sure but it seems AMD is gonna take the poo to them this time.

 

[Ferolare]

So the mainstream thing to do now is to shiat on the Kaby Lake X, which is well deserved in my opinion, and the Core i9? Even if it means ignoring the 6 and 8 core Skylake X?

 

[Piezoq]

1. Amd sold its foundry, today's gf. Nvidia and amd suffered with the rise of mobile because foundry capacity was diverted to the mobile arm market.

2. Without owning the foundry, amd cannot compete on an even footing with intel, the only vertically integrated chip company now.

3. I saw the size of the threadripper chip. It's palm size. Compare that to a Xeon chip and the size of amd's challenges when it comes to efficiency, yield, cost and turnaround is apparent.

4. Performance is just one part of the equation. What is their profit margin? Can it support r and d that can keep up? Where is the supporting tech? Where is the entrenched ecosystem? How about server application with rockstable dependability?

5. I can go on but so far, I'm reading with interest amd's effort. But not impressed, yet.

You do realised AMD is using a more inferior 14nm process node as compared to Intel right? In that sense AMD have clearly won based on CPU design alone.


Had it not for GF 14nm poor performance, limiting Zen to 4GHz, Intel would have been in big serious trouble.


Once 10nm or 7nm comes, Intel dominance will end because AMD will create many small CPU die that is much more powerful than Ryzen and link them up together to create a giant monster using infinity fabric. Intel doom is really near.

 

[Gattberserk]

1. Amd sold its foundry, today's gf. Nvidia and amd suffered with the rise of mobile because foundry capacity was diverted to the mobile arm market.

2. Without owning the foundry, amd cannot compete on an even footing with intel, the only vertically integrated chip company now.

3. I saw the size of the threadripper chip. It's palm size. Compare that to a Xeon chip and the size of amd's challenges when it comes to efficiency, yield, cost and turnaround is apparent.

4. Performance is just one part of the equation. What is their profit margin? Can it support r and d that can keep up? Where is the supporting tech? Where is the entrenched ecosystem? How about server application with rockstable dependability?

5. I can go on but so far, I'm reading with interest amd's effort. But not impressed, yet.

Maybe you should consider what is AMD RnD budget in the first place before Zen and how it turn out. By the limited resources they had but able to come out with such great product at low TDP is just beyond impressive. (They have won the perf-per watt against Intel, and so is perf-per-dollar.)


What I read at OCN, the base cost to make a 16C TR is less than US$170, and selling it for $849 would net a 400% margin, or $680 per chip. For overclocking variant, should be at around $830 per chip. Not much, but its a big improvement for AMD.

 

[Kairos]

Best HEDT platform is still... LGA2011-3.

X99 MB stable as rock.

BWE CPU cool as ice (with solder TIM).

 

[Illusionist_85]

intel trying hard with apple tactic

 

[OutBreak]

Cash grab by Intel. Wallet rapist!

 

[Crimson_FURY]

Lai liao lai liao XD

This video is freaking hilarious!!!

P.S Screw this x299 nonsense

 

[Piezoq]

Performance per watt? And dollar? I seriously doubt they have won. The size of the chips in a like for like comparison will tell volumes. Comparing a r7 against an i7 with an igpu is biased at best. Amd has a competitive product, but I'm confident intel has the margins.

As for the numbers, put in the r and d, marketing and other costs and crunch it against Intel's. I took a short look at amd's quarterly recently. The Numbers are encouraging but they are not intel great.

Maybe you should consider what is AMD RnD budget in the first place before Zen and how it turn out. By the limited resources they had but able to come out with such great product at low TDP is just beyond impressive. (They have won the perf-per watt against Intel, and so is perf-per-dollar.)


What I read at OCN, the base cost to make a 16C TR is less than US$170, and selling it for $849 would net a 400% margin, or $680 per chip. For overclocking variant, should be at around $830 per chip. Not much, but its a big improvement for AMD.

 

[royfrosty]

X299 i9 7900X with Asus x299 Strix any one?







But i got an issue. No cooler supported lol