iRobot Scooba experience

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i have another question for those LG roboking owners or sellers.
From my understanding, it has a mop function, so my question is:

1) Can it sweep+vacuum+mop at the same time? Or it can only do sweep+vacuum or mop only separately?
 

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It does it all together at one time.


i have another question for those LG roboking owners or sellers.
From my understanding, it has a mop function, so my question is:

1) Can it sweep+vacuum+mop at the same time? Or it can only do sweep+vacuum or mop only separately?
 

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i have another question for those LG roboking owners or sellers.
From my understanding, it has a mop function, so my question is:

1) Can it sweep+vacuum+mop at the same time? Or it can only do sweep+vacuum or mop only separately?
I don't have Roboking, but I've personally seen it in action at my Scooba customer's home, he's Ang Moh & very willing to buy overseas things without warranty. Anyway he's rich & can afford to junk things if they become lemon.:s22:

The "mop" is a crescent shape micro fibre cloth, which is attached below Roboking's tail underside. So Roboking will sweep & vacuum debris, followed by the micro fibre cloth wiping of floor.
I believe this micro fibre cloth is intended to be used dry or moist, but won't be constantly moisten by reservoir of water like that of Mint Plus.

I'm not sure if Roboking is ever intended to be used on wet floor, considering it's using a 1" Red beam tracking system similar to a giant Optical Mouse. Moist floor will have reflection which will later dry up & look different.

Logically speaking, I believe this Optical Mouse thingy is just for counting steps & speed regulation, I cannot imagine Roboking have the processing power to piece together floor grain pattern in 1" strip for the entire house.
Analogy: take a handheld scanner (a REALLY pathetic one) with 1" scanning width, now scan ur entire house in U-turn fashion, store all that info in ur PC, then use Jigsaw puzzle & arrange all these captured images into a full floor plan of ur home.
Then... here comes the best part... identify a particular X-Y coordinate on ur floor simply by matching a 1" square which I'm gonna show u.
Sounds impossible? Yes, I believe only "Deep Blue" can do it.

So then how does Roboking do it's tracking? The answer is probably the top camera which films (or takes interval snapshots) of the ceiling, where Machine Vision algorithm will identify light fixtures (assuming well lit) as marker points (like Celestial navigation).
I did a Machine Vision software project during my schooling days, where I wrote a program (using pre-written algorithms) to trace outlines of objects found in any photo, eg. given a photo of a box, a plate & maybe a cheese wedge, the program can give the dimension/position of the said items. Such is for Robotics application & developing Iron Man type missiles.

The one thing that puzzles me, can Roboking navigate under low or no lighting? What if parts of the ceiling is twice as high while some parts are extra low, eg. a home with some false ceiling, a see through stairway.
Something like this: http://www.asiahomes.com/images/11twhse_carpark.jpg

I'm almost certain Roboking doesn't come with Stereoscopic camera, so how does it translate 3D objects into a 2D mapping? A very very powerful computer is required to interprete a video footage & create a 3D wire frame from there.

So this brings me to the next conclusion, Roboking doesn't map the ceiling to that complexity, but rather just marker points, ie. anything brighter than a certain threshold will become white, anything darker will become black.
Then with a Black/White bitmap, it finds it's orientation.
Those who play with Photoshop Contrast settings will know what I mean.
 

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Another interesting bot :) ...


Features & Specs: Rydis


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Really do not recommend this Rydis 750, Can check out this video that runs a test on several models of robotic vaccums. This Rydis faired the poorest, Picking up only 17% of sand planted on the floor, even got stuck in between. Needless to say, the Roomba 780 fared the best, Picking up an amazing 97% of the sand planted.

Rydis R750: eficiencia de limpieza - YouTube

The Roboking navigates by performing SLAM (simultaneous localization and mapping) to build a map of its environment using ceiling images, while tracking its incremental movement with a downward-facing camera (like an optical mouse). A combination of ultrasound and infrared helps minimize collisions in dynamic environments and optimizes performance by planning the most efficient route. LG claims that these sensors are more effective than the more conventional options of bumpers or light sensors. The 2011 year model contains 22 sensors attached on 32 bit microprocessor.The device runs Linux kernel 2.6 and internally uses Bash, BusyBox, U-boot, glibc and OpenSSL. (from Wikipedia)
Not sure if that is considered advanced though. But it can maneuver to ard 1cm from all obstacles, not bumping or touching them, and it allows its twin side brushes to sweep up the 1cm gap.
 
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It seems the Rydis did not perform well in this test. However, the reason why the Roomba performed the best is because of its repeated coverage. Given a time constraint, it would not be at the top.
 

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Yup the LG rooking 617X ($799) may be a bit steep indeed. The Mint is $350 and Mint plus around $100 more, Still savings of around 50% from the roboking. Do drop me a PM me interest. All brand new sets and in stock. The Mint Plus comes with an added accessories, like a cleaning base which allows you to store water inside and it will release the solution as it mops. Function and Movement-wise, both are similar.

You got PM!
Interested in the Mint Plus, thanks!
 

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Compare the price diff and depends on where u get it. I believe if u have the moolah, u can get one from irobot and have it ship to u very soon. No need to wait. :)
 

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Would like to get a scooba, should I wait for 390 instead of getting 380?

Self importing the latest models is always a consideration.
The Scooba 390 seems to have the same specifications as the 380, no change to brushes, mechanism or outlook.
However it does come with "colour coded" parts to tell you which part needs cleaning after use. The current Scooba 380 can allow for cleaning of around 1h 45min, the scooba 390 is said to be able to last longer, though the cleaning area stated in the same (425sqft).
Do note however that the Scooba 390 comes with lesser accessories (No Charging Base and only 1 virtual wall) Good to read more reviews online about the differences though. Hope you make a good choice. :)
 

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Looks interesting and fun, though it does not appear to be very effective. ;)
Japan Trend Shop | Otona no Kagaku Robot Vacuum Cleaner

This product is more targeted as an educational toy, something like:
a) Zoids: Zoids - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
b) Tamiya: Educational Construction Series
c) Lego Technic: LEGO.com TECHNIC : Home
d) Lego Mindstorm: LEGO.com MINDSTORMS : Home

One thing I'm most impressed is that it's purely mechanical. Back in the cowboy days, things are powered by steam boilers & the rest are all gears & pistons.
Now things are all powered by IC chips, including more sophisticated cars & airplanes that can auto-pilot.

If u look at the video at 1 min: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkcVRPpm1YQ
U'll see the illustration of how the machine triggers various response behaviour purely from the use of gears.

Trust the Japs to come up with such product.:)
 
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