Is 独孤九剑 really unbeatable?

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Not true. 独孤九剑 can be beaten. 独孤九剑 is very powerful and can be considered as unbeatable because of 2 reasons

1) Very fast attacking strokes. So fast that the enemy has no time to strike back but just defend.
2) The enemy’s kung fu skills have strokes (招式). Once the kung fu skills have strokes it will be defeated by 独孤九剑

The following two are the exceptions

1) Ah Ching – A girl whose sword skills was taught by a white ape. So, has no strokes. Her sword skills were so fast that it defeated 2000 soldiers in a short time.
2) 六脉神剑 – Uses internal qi energy exiting through fingers. It similarly has no strokes. Just point fingers can liao

In 天龙八部 萧峰 already mentioned that if 段誉 learns the skill properly he, 萧峰, would have been defeated

独孤九剑 vs 降龙十八掌 – Who wins?​

独孤九剑 vs 张三丰 – Who wins?

独孤九剑 vs 六脉神剑 – Who wins?

Ah Ching vs 独孤九剑 – Who wins?



Let’s look at 独孤九剑 vs 降龙十八掌 – Who wins?

降龙十八掌 has 18 palm strokes. So, it has strokes and 独孤九剑 would defeat it using the

7. 破掌式:破解的是拳脚指掌上的功夫。对方敢以空手来斗利剑,武功上必有极高造诣,手中有无兵器,相差已经极微。天下的拳法、腿法、指法、掌法繁复无比,这一剑“破掌式”将长拳短打、擒拿点穴、魔爪虎爪、铁沙神掌等诸般拳脚功夫尽数包括在内。

9. 破气式:此式只是传以口诀和修习之法,是为对付身具上乘内功的敌人而用。修炼到高深处的内功高手,其内力外放,攻击方式与普通的兵刃、拳脚不同,破气式就是要找到他们内力运用中的破绽,从而克敌制胜。不过这一式极为高深,很难修炼成功。

In 天龙八部 the weaknesses in 降龙十八掌 were revealed when 萧峰 tried to rescue the blind girl from the hands of 丁春秋. When 萧峰 uses his qi gong to execute the 亢龙有悔 a dragon shaped caused by the dust being whipped up was formed rushing towards 丁春秋 and the latter easily evaded the oncoming qi dragon. If a guy like 丁春秋 can see and evade, what do you think of 独孤求败? There’s another example where 萧峰 accidentally killed his lover when a water dragon was executed by him and hit her when she disguised as her father and 萧峰 was out to kill the latter. For a top pugilist if one can see one can evade.


独孤九剑 vs 张三丰 – Who wins?

张三丰 is the founder of 太极 and comes with it the famous 太极拳 and 太极剑. 张三丰 has great internal energy but his kung fu skills have strokes. This can be seen in 倚天屠龙记 when he taught 张无忌 the 太极拳 and 太极剑.

These can be easily defeated by 独孤九剑 by using the followings

2. 破剑式:专门用以破解普天下各门各派的剑法。天下剑法众多,但在破剑式的拆解下,都能找到其破绽并加以击破。无论是凌厉的快剑,还是沉稳的重剑,只要是剑法,都在其破解范围之内。

7. 破掌式:破解的是拳脚指掌上的功夫。对方敢以空手来斗利剑,武功上必有极高造诣,手中有无兵器,相差已经极微。天下的拳法、腿法、指法、掌法繁复无比,这一剑“破掌式”将长拳短打、擒拿点穴、魔爪虎爪、铁沙神掌等诸般拳脚功夫尽数包括在内。

9. 破气式:此式只是传以口诀和修习之法,是为对付身具上乘内功的敌人而用。修炼到高深处的内功高手,其内力外放,攻击方式与普通的兵刃、拳脚不同,破气式就是要找到他们内力运用中的破绽,从而克敌制胜。不过这一式极为高深,很难修炼成功。


Then there's 独孤九剑 vs 六脉神剑 – Who wins?

It depends on how the fight is to be executed.

You noticed that in 天龙八部 there’s no fight involving 六脉神剑 in the rain because the movie never shows such a scene.

In a normal fight with no rain 独孤求败 would lose the fight because he cannot see the qi energy coming at him. But if there’s rain, he can see the qi water streak coming at him and can easily evade the qi energy. In this later fight 六脉神剑 would surely lose to 独孤九剑.

Lastly, Ah Ching vs 独孤九剑 – Who wins?

Both their skills are very fast, attacking and deadly. Best is Ah Ching's sword skills were taught by a white ape with no strokes. And, there's no mention anywhere that 独孤九剑 easily defeats 2000 enemies in a short time.
 
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Not true. 独孤九剑 can be beaten. 独孤九剑 is very powerful and can be considered as unbeatable because of 2 reasons

1) Very fast attacking strokes. So fast that the enemy has no time to strike back but just defend.
2) The enemy’s kung fu skills have strokes (招式). Once the kung fu skills have strokes it will be defeated by 独孤九剑

The followings

1) Ah Ching – A girl whose sword skills was taught by a white ape. So, she has no strokes. Her sword skills were so fast that it defeated 3000 soldiers in a short time.
2) 六脉神剑 – Uses internal qi energy exiting through fingers. It similarly has no strokes. Just point fingers can liao


In 天龙八部 萧峰 already mentioned that if 段誉 learn the skill properly he, 萧峰, would have been defeated

独孤九剑 vs 降龙十八掌 – Who wins?​

独孤九剑 vs 张三丰 – Who wins?


Let’s look at 独孤九剑 vs 降龙十八掌 – Who wins?


降龙十八掌 has 18 palm strokes. So, it has strokes and 独孤九剑 would defeat it using the

7. 破掌式:破解的是拳脚指掌上的功夫。对方敢以空手来斗利剑,武功上必有极高造诣,手中有无兵器,相差已经极微。天下的拳法、腿法、指法、掌法繁复无比,这一剑“破掌式”将长拳短打、擒拿点穴、魔爪虎爪、铁沙神掌等诸般拳脚功夫尽数包括在内。

In 天龙八部 the weaknesses in 降龙十八掌 were revealed when 萧峰 tried to recuse the blind girl from the hands of 丁春秋. When 萧峰 uses his qi gong to execute the 亢龙有悔 a dragon shaped caused by the dust being whipped up was formed rushing towards 丁春秋 and the latter easily evaded the oncoming qi dragon. If a guy like 丁春秋 can see and evade, what do you think of 独孤求败? There’s another example where 萧峰 accidentally seriously injured her lover when a water dragon was executed by 萧峰 and hit her when she disguised as her father and 萧峰 was out to kill the latter.


Now let’s look at 独孤九剑 vs 张三丰 – Who wins?

张三丰 is the founder of 太极 and comes with it the famous 太极拳 and 太极剑. 张三丰 has great internal energy but his kung fu skills have strokes. This can be seen in 倚天屠龙记 when he taught 张无忌 the 太极拳 and 太极剑.

These can be easily defeated by 独孤九剑 by using the followings

2. 破剑式:专门用以破解普天下各门各派的剑法。天下剑法众多,但在破剑式的拆解下,都能找到其破绽并加以击破。无论是凌厉的快剑,还是沉稳的重剑,只要是剑法,都在其破解范围之内。

7. 破掌式:破解的是拳脚指掌上的功夫。对方敢以空手来斗利剑,武功上必有极高造诣,手中有无兵器,相差已经极微。天下的拳法、腿法、指法、掌法繁复无比,这一剑“破掌式”将长拳短打、擒拿点穴、魔爪虎爪、铁沙神掌等诸般拳脚功夫尽数包括在内。

9. 破气式:此式只是传以口诀和修习之法,是为对付身具上乘内功的敌人而用。修炼到高深处的内功高手,其内力外放,攻击方式与普通的兵刃、拳脚不同,破气式就是要找到他们内力运用中的破绽,从而克敌制胜。不过这一式极为高深,很难修炼成功。


Lastly, let’s look at 独孤九剑 vs 六脉神剑 – Who wins?

It depends on how the fight is to be executed.

You noticed that in 天龙八部 there’s no fight involving 六脉神剑 in the rain because the movie never shows such a scene.

In a normal fight with no rain 独孤求败 would have lost the fight because he cannot see the qi energy coming at him. But if there’s rain, he can see the qi water streak coming at him and can easily evade the qi energy. In this later fight 六脉神剑 would lose to 独孤九剑.

Ah Ching vs 独孤九剑 – Who wins?

Both their skills are very fast and deadly. Best is Ah Ching's sword skills were taught by a white ape with no strokes. And, there's no mention anywhere that 独孤九剑 easily defeats 3000 enemies in a short time.

U clearly dont understand Tai Chi Swordplay which ZSF emphasize to focus of the flow of chi and forget the strokes, and adapt the strokes of the opponent.

However Tai Chi Swordplay probably still lose DGJJ is because DGJJ is too fast and Tai Chi Swordplay mainly is to counter brute force kind of attack instead of speed.

To break DGJJ, probably the next skill which is using brute strength like the Heavy Sword. Because even if DGJJ comes into contact with Brute Force the sword/stance will break off.

Lastly is the ultimate enlightenment of DGQB of third form whether the focus is on chi and anything can be weapon. In this form, the basic attack is use chi as weapon so the closest would be Liu Mai Shen Jian but DGQB said he achieved the ultimate level by making everything around him his weapon
 

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U clearly dont understand Tai Chi Swordplay which ZSF emphasize to focus of the flow of chi and forget the strokes, and adapt the strokes of the opponent.

However Tai Chi Swordplay probably still lose DGJJ is because DGJJ is too fast and Tai Chi Swordplay mainly is to counter brute force kind of attack instead of speed.

To break DGJJ, probably the next skill which is using brute strength like the Heavy Sword. Because even if DGJJ comes into contact with Brute Force the sword/stance will break off.

Lastly is the ultimate enlightenment of DGQB of third form whether the focus is on chi and anything can be weapon. In this form, the basic attack is use chi as weapon so the closest would be Liu Mai Shen Jian but DGQB said he achieved the ultimate level by making everything around him his weapon

A top pugilist like DGQB would easliy defeat a heavy sword by not hitting his sword and the enemy's sword edge-to-edge lah. With his fast sword skills he can easily put his enemy in a defensive position only.
 

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Sure, during 华山论剑, just ask chatgpt would do

Nobody heard of this weird DGJB even during the time of the first 华山论剑. DGJB must be way before those 5 weirdos were born. Even way before 天龙八部 time likely at the end of Tang dynasty

All those fighting movies were stories from the later Song and Ming dynasties. That's why nobody heard of DGJB


:LOL:
 
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Strokes = pattern. Used for movies.

Chinese kungfu is parttern more than badminton.

In competition, only chinese martial art is one person showmanship. The other martial arts like teakwondo, judo are all 1v1.
 

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左右互搏。can one hand attack one hand defend
 

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The sweeper monk can defend himself from all these satki skills or not

Sweeper monk has a defensive shield around him.

But when you defend you cannot attack at the same time. Once he starts the attack his shield will be down and that exposes his vulnerable moment if his attacking skills are not great

The sweeper monk died because he was secretly hit likely when he was attacking because his enemy knew the weakness

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