Is 独孤九剑 really unbeatable?

[psyger-zero]

Both cannot beat my 天山折梅手


CheerS!!!

u got wu gong meh?can challenge default?

 

[Darkshadows]

Not true. 独孤九剑 can be beaten. 独孤九剑 is very powerful and can be considered as unbeatable because of 2 reasons

1) Very fast attacking strokes. So fast that the enemy has no time to strike back but just defend.
2) The enemy’s kung fu skills have strokes (招式). Once the kung fu skills have strokes it will be defeated by 独孤九剑

The following two are the exceptions

1) Ah Ching – A girl whose sword skills was taught by a white ape. So, she has no strokes. Her sword skills were so fast that it defeated 3000 soldiers in a short time.
2) 六脉神剑 – Uses internal qi energy exiting through fingers. It similarly has no strokes. Just point fingers can liao

In 天龙八部 萧峰 already mentioned that if 段誉 learns the skill properly he, 萧峰, would have been defeated

独孤九剑 vs 降龙十八掌 – Who wins?​

独孤九剑 vs 张三丰 – Who wins?​

独孤九剑 vs 六脉神剑 – Who wins?​

Ah Ching vs 独孤九剑 – Who wins?​

Let’s look at 独孤九剑 vs 降龙十八掌 – Who wins?

降龙十八掌 has 18 palm strokes. So, it has strokes and 独孤九剑 would defeat it using the

7. 破掌式：破解的是拳脚指掌上的功夫。对方敢以空手来斗利剑，武功上必有极高造诣，手中有无兵器，相差已经极微。天下的拳法、腿法、指法、掌法繁复无比，这一剑“破掌式”将长拳短打、擒拿点穴、魔爪虎爪、铁沙神掌等诸般拳脚功夫尽数包括在内。

In 天龙八部 the weaknesses in 降龙十八掌 were revealed when 萧峰 tried to recuse the blind girl from the hands of 丁春秋. When 萧峰 uses his qi gong to execute the 亢龙有悔 a dragon shaped caused by the dust being whipped up was formed rushing towards 丁春秋 and the latter easily evaded the oncoming qi dragon. If a guy like 丁春秋 can see and evade, what do you think of 独孤求败? There’s another example where 萧峰 accidentally seriously injured her lover when a water dragon was executed by him and hit her when she disguised as her father and 萧峰 was out to kill the latter. For a top pugilist if one can see one can evade.


独孤九剑 vs 张三丰 – Who wins?

张三丰 is the founder of 太极 and comes with it the famous 太极拳 and 太极剑. 张三丰 has great internal energy but his kung fu skills have strokes. This can be seen in 倚天屠龙记 when he taught 张无忌 the 太极拳 and 太极剑.

These can be easily defeated by 独孤九剑 by using the followings

2. 破剑式：专门用以破解普天下各门各派的剑法。天下剑法众多，但在破剑式的拆解下，都能找到其破绽并加以击破。无论是凌厉的快剑，还是沉稳的重剑，只要是剑法，都在其破解范围之内。

7. 破掌式：破解的是拳脚指掌上的功夫。对方敢以空手来斗利剑，武功上必有极高造诣，手中有无兵器，相差已经极微。天下的拳法、腿法、指法、掌法繁复无比，这一剑“破掌式”将长拳短打、擒拿点穴、魔爪虎爪、铁沙神掌等诸般拳脚功夫尽数包括在内。

9. 破气式：此式只是传以口诀和修习之法，是为对付身具上乘内功的敌人而用。修炼到高深处的内功高手，其内力外放，攻击方式与普通的兵刃、拳脚不同，破气式就是要找到他们内力运用中的破绽，从而克敌制胜。不过这一式极为高深，很难修炼成功。


Then there's 独孤九剑 vs 六脉神剑 – Who wins?

It depends on how the fight is to be executed.

You noticed that in 天龙八部 there’s no fight involving 六脉神剑 in the rain because the movie never shows such a scene.

In a normal fight with no rain 独孤求败 would have lost the fight because he cannot see the qi energy coming at him. But if there’s rain, he can see the qi water streak coming at him and can easily evade the qi energy. In this later fight 六脉神剑 would lose to 独孤九剑.

Lastly, Ah Ching vs 独孤九剑 – Who wins?

Both their skills are very fast and deadly. Best is Ah Ching's sword skills were taught by a white ape with no strokes. And, there's no mention anywhere that 独孤九剑 easily defeats 3000 enemies in a short time.

野球拳wins!

 

[coldish]

Well I would ranked DGQB above Sweeper Monk.

 

[xdivider]

Actually, there's another fast and deadly attacking sword skills, 金蛇剑, comparable to 独孤九剑. Initially, 独孤九剑 could not defeat 金蛇剑 but later the weakness of 金蛇剑 was exposed because after certain number of 金蛇剑 strokes they tend to repeat. So it was defeated by 独孤九剑 because the 金蛇剑 strokes cannot be unlimited

pixie jian fa. jin she sword is bi xue jian........

 

[Apparatus]

pixie jian fa. jin she sword is bi xue jian........

Yup, already corrected in my earlier post

 

[GhostZM]

u got wu gong meh?can challenge default?

Easily beat him..
逍遥派 is da best!


CheerS!!!

 

[fortunecat]

Everything is just imagination, no point thinking too deep lah. It just hypothetical say that this skill can defeat all strokes, whether it's sword or unarmed combat without explaining why it can do so. That dun even make sense

 

[psyger-zero]

Easily beat him..
逍遥派 is da best!


CheerS!!!

逍遥派? wuyazi?
@AlmightyOnes

 

[ThinkMe]

Another day another Jin Yong novel

 

[lchua6]

One punch man wins

 

[AlmightyOnes]

逍遥派? wuyazi?
@AlmightyOnes

Ya, wu yazi from xiao yao.
But best or not, up to individual's view lol.
For most of the fan's view, the high tier is generally sweeping monk, dugu, and then next is zhang sanfeng, dongfang bubai etc.. Seldom see wu yazi.

 

[Reborn]

Sweeper monk has a defensive shield around him.

But when you defend you cannot attack at the same time. Once he starts the attack his shield will be down and that's his vulnerable moment if his attacking skills are not great

The sweeper monk died because he was secretly hit likely when he was attacking because his enemy knew the weakness

the sweeper monk got show die meh?

 

[mocax]

top tier ish 石破天...

 

[Apparatus]

the sweeper monk got show die meh?

In one of the old iterations of 天龙八部

 

[Reborn]

In one of the old iterations of 天龙八部

didn't know got old literation.

 

[TheITGuy]

我觉得练童子功的内家高手，或许可以佛门狮子吼来破。九剑里，没有破音式。

 

[TheITGuy]

不过我觉得萧秋水的无字天书跟独孤九剑原理很相似，可以已“无“字诀让独孤九剑无招可破，反被其噬

 

[lao3hero]

Not true. 独孤九剑 can be beaten. 独孤九剑 is very powerful and can be considered as unbeatable because of 2 reasons
1) Very fast attacking strokes. So fast that the enemy has no time to strike back but just defend.
2) The enemy’s kung fu skills have strokes (招式). Once the kung fu skills have strokes it will be defeated by 独孤九剑
The following two are the exceptions
1) Ah Ching – A girl whose sword skills was taught by a white ape. So, she has no strokes. Her sword skills were so fast that it defeated 3000 soldiers in a short time.
2) 六脉神剑 – Uses internal qi energy exiting through fingers. It similarly has no strokes. Just point fingers can liao
In
天龙八部
萧峰 already mentioned that if 段誉 learns the skill properly he, 萧峰, would have been defeated
独孤九剑 vs 降龙十八掌 – Who wins?
独孤九剑 vs 张三丰 – Who wins?

独孤九剑 vs 六脉神剑 – Who wins?

Ah Ching vs 独孤九剑
– Who wins?

Let’s look at 独孤九剑 vs 降龙十八掌 – Who wins?
降龙十八掌 has 18 palm strokes. So, it has strokes and 独孤九剑 would defeat it using the
7. 破掌式：破解的是拳脚指掌上的功夫。对方敢以空手来斗利剑，武功上必有极高造诣，手中有无兵器，相差已经极微。天下的拳法、腿法、指法、掌法繁复无比，这一剑“破掌式”将长拳短打、擒拿点穴、魔爪虎爪、铁沙神掌等诸般拳脚功夫尽数包括在内。
In
天龙八部
the weaknesses in 降龙十八掌 were revealed when 萧峰 tried to rescue the blind girl from the hands of 丁春秋. When 萧峰 uses his qi gong to execute the
亢龙有悔
a dragon shaped caused by the dust being whipped up was formed rushing towards 丁春秋 and the latter easily evaded the oncoming qi dragon. If a guy like 丁春秋 can see and evade, what do you think of 独孤求败? There’s another example where 萧峰 accidentally seriously injured her lover when a water dragon was executed by him and hit her when she disguised as her father and 萧峰 was out to kill the latter. For a top pugilist if one can see one can evade.
独孤九剑 vs 张三丰 – Who wins?
张三丰 is the founder of 太极 and comes with it the famous 太极拳 and 太极剑. 张三丰 has great internal energy but his kung fu skills have strokes. This can be seen in 倚天屠龙记 when he taught 张无忌 the 太极拳 and 太极剑.
These can be easily defeated by 独孤九剑 by using the followings
2. 破剑式：专门用以破解普天下各门各派的剑法。天下剑法众多，但在破剑式的拆解下，都能找到其破绽并加以击破。无论是凌厉的快剑，还是沉稳的重剑，只要是剑法，都在其破解范围之内。
7. 破掌式：破解的是拳脚指掌上的功夫。对方敢以空手来斗利剑，武功上必有极高造诣，手中有无兵器，相差已经极微。天下的拳法、腿法、指法、掌法繁复无比，这一剑“破掌式”将长拳短打、擒拿点穴、魔爪虎爪、铁沙神掌等诸般拳脚功夫尽数包括在内。
9. 破气式：此式只是传以口诀和修习之法，是为对付身具上乘内功的敌人而用。修炼到高深处的内功高手，其内力外放，攻击方式与普通的兵刃、拳脚不同，破气式就是要找到他们内力运用中的破绽，从而克敌制胜。不过这一式极为高深，很难修炼成功。
Then there's 独孤九剑 vs 六脉神剑 – Who wins?
It depends on how the fight is to be executed.
You noticed that in
天龙八部
there’s no fight involving 六脉神剑 in the rain because the movie never shows such a scene.
In a normal fight with no rain 独孤求败 would have lost the fight because he cannot see the qi energy coming at him. But if there’s rain, he can see the qi water streak coming at him and can easily evade the qi energy. In this later fight 六脉神剑 would lose to 独孤九剑.
Lastly, Ah Ching vs 独孤九剑 – Who wins?
Both their skills are very fast, attacking and deadly. Best is Ah Ching's sword skills were taught by a white ape with no strokes. And, there's no mention anywhere that 独孤九剑 easily defeats 3000 enemies in a short time.

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[Akky85]

parry this

万剑归宗

Technically speaking all u need is a strong and big enough energy barrier and you push it forward.

万剑归宗 is not Wu Ming's top most skill iirc, it's just the signature skill he's associated with.

 

[Akky85]

三姑六婆 will win everything and everyone


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三姑六婆 is top martial artist now yes. Their words can be so venomous that just coming into their aura of effect, you will bleed out of your mouth and ears.

Get closer to actually hear what they saying, maybe your soul also gone case.