jogging and motivation thread

[milkiee]

I am at 42 according to my Garmin 965.

53 for me Garmin 255s but i don't believe it lol

 

[Ender]

53 for me Garmin 255s but i don't believe it lol

Used to own a Garmin 935. I was same as you at 53. But switch to Coros, went to 44. Garmin is over optimistic for us.

44 and 43 is more realistic for me if we take into account of Jack daniel's Vdot rating and cooper test.

 

[Ender]

have not considered that. Thank you for sharing. Will look into it and see if it helps.

can sic which creatine product for normal consumption? powder like whey ah?

Started this brand, notice improvement in recovery with it.
https://www.lazada.sg/products/nutr...module","platform":"3","skuId":"12523850050"}

Then followed by using this brand, coz from Germany.
https://www.lazada.sg/products/pvl-...module","platform":"3","skuId":"20543090571"}

 

[WussRedXLi]

 

[Jeremy1]

53 for me Garmin 255s but i don't believe it lol

Actually you should roughly know because if it's higher meaning you can run much longer distance when running fast.

 

[Ender]

Actually you should roughly know because if it's higher meaning you can run much longer distance when running fast.

You can use it for trending, i.e improving or not. But not for the absolute numbers to know where you stand.

 

[Kuudere]

Actually you should roughly know because if it's higher meaning you can run much longer distance when running fast.

Data is helpful but end of the day, need to know how to run by feel Don’t look at watch too much

 

[Ender]

For those struggling to attempt longer distance, like an FM or Ultra. It's very common to see people in Ultra doing walks and run.

 

[xllms]

Started this brand, notice improvement in recovery with it.
https://www.lazada.sg/products/nutrex-research-creatine-drive-pure-creatine-monohydrate-to-build-muscle-strength-boost-protein-synthesis-300g-1000g-i2189691277-s12523850050.html?dsource=share&laz_share_info=1100577906_100_100_186507_1100577906_null&laz_token=6c17b1ee29db8867a16769a8cf8124b9&exlaz=d_2:mm_176760872_97702005_2056502005:sg2339018:00:{"generateType":"1","itemId":"2189691277","sellerId":"1000003371","appSourcePage":"lzd_homesite_app_share_product","affiliateOfferId":"sg2339018","generateTimestamp":"1720596978838","appSourceModule":"lzd_homesite_app_share_product_module","platform":"3","skuId":"12523850050"}

Then followed by using this brand, coz from Germany.
https://www.lazada.sg/products/pvl-100-german-creapure-creatine-monohydrate-build-muscle-boost-power-increase-strength-48-86-sers-410g-i2881142346-s20543090571.html?dsource=share&laz_share_info=1100598244_100_100_186507_1100598244_null&laz_token=6eae27292b721655db19b6f549f9243c&exlaz=d_2:mm_176760872_97702005_2056502005:sg2339018:00:{"generateType":"1","itemId":"2881142346","sellerId":"1000003371","appSourcePage":"lzd_homesite_app_share_product","affiliateOfferId":"sg2339018","generateTimestamp":"1720597052777","appSourceModule":"lzd_homesite_app_share_product_module","platform":"3","skuId":"20543090571"}

thumbs up to you for sharing

 

[WussRedXLi]

65 is elite level Vo2max liao. Most of male presenters in GTN channel are at this level. This is from your Huawei?

Yep from my Huawei. When i started 2023 Jan i started off with 51 then and peaked at 59 for AHM 23 before i started cycling and i reduced my runs.

But i know of coz it's not very zhun la, just can see trending and where you stand in your training.......just one of the metrics. Different brands also different "zhun-ness". lol

Coz i believe it uses your pace and HR from your runs over a period of time to determine. You see, then, if a fella just by his preference and life schedule decides to run his sessions right at 6.30pm, for sure the value would be worse than someone running at 6.30am. *shrugs*

It's a moving target which depends on your training, off and on season etc.....so unless if pro level there is no use to know updated figures like what some do for their monthly or bimonthly bloodwork as monitoring.

 

[WussRedXLi]

thumbs up to you for sharing

Can try creatine, not sure if it's placeabo but i feel it works
And for seniors 40-60, another thing can try is some Whey, really is pretty convenient. Of coz food is king, but for the convenience la. For night rides (weekdays), I finish as late as 12mn plus sometimes if i go out a bit late at 9pm. cannot be open 1 can of sardines to makan at 1am after i bathed also ma. No need to take a lot, 1/2 to 1 scoop per day is enough, just to supplement and for convenience's sake.

In fact my father is now on whey also.
Unfortunately my in-laws and mother cannot tahan the smell and look of it.

I also got whey isolate, 1 tub to test. Not so yummy leh......so stick wtih normal whey, is fine.......if you are not drinking a lot like what body builders drink, no GI or flatulence.

 

[WussRedXLi]

Seems about right since Yi Jun Vo2max is 83 and Aaron Vo2max is 72 (took the test couple years back when his 2.4km time was worse off). Both are national athletes.

Yi Jun was able to run 25.47 for a 7km road race and 1.22 for Sundown HM last year.

I saw his comments too. But it seems strange coz Luis Orta is "only" 80 from a lab test, ie with respiration.
So possibly some labs could be a bit "off" also.

So for the watches, minus off a few digits ba.....haha, and for some really gotta minus a lot more.

But it's still good, just seen the trending.

 

[raylong]

Is true interval really a must ah? So far over my 9 months training only tried 2 to 3 times. I always do run walk run walk on my easy run and consider it interval like that can or not?

 

[raylong]

I did my run yesterday evening and this time tried to hit distance and location while ignoring the time taken to complete it. Remembering some of the advice given to me here, I tried to jog at a much more leisurely pace. Can this be considered a good run? I was hoping to have my average pace around 6.30/km but looks like I ran a little too slow.

This is a respectable pace for novice runners

 

[Ender]

Yep from my Huawei. When i started 2023 Jan i started off with 51 then and peaked at 59 for AHM 23 before i started cycling and i reduced my runs.

But i know of coz it's not very zhun la, just can see trending and where you stand in your training.......just one of the metrics. Different brands also different "zhun-ness". lol

Coz i believe it uses your pace and HR from your runs over a period of time to determine. You see, then, if a fella just by his preference and life schedule decides to run his sessions right at 6.30pm, for sure the value would be worse than someone running at 6.30am. *shrugs*

It's a moving target which depends on your training, off and on season etc.....so unless if pro level there is no use to know updated figures like what some do for their monthly or bimonthly bloodwork as monitoring.

Base on your 5km and 10km, your number is definitely above 60. Sub 19 for 5km where running is not your main sports, vo2max can guess is already above 60.

 

[Ender]

Is true interval really a must ah? So far over my 9 months training only tried 2 to 3 times. I always do run walk run walk on my easy run and consider it interval like that can or not?

If you don't want your vo2max to decay faster, then should have at least one once a week. Don't have to be interval every week, some time switch to threshold run for more fun.

 

[Kuudere]

I saw his comments too. But it seems strange coz Luis Orta is "only" 80 from a lab test, ie with respiration.
So possibly some labs could be a bit "off" also.

So for the watches, minus off a few digits ba.....haha, and for some really gotta minus a lot more.

But it's still good, just seen the trending.

Yeah sometimes testing is not 100% accurate, got to make do with it.

But I find it weird the lady said Vo2max barely can improve over time. I think there's a limit to it but it can be improved through training.

Base on your 5km and 10km, your number is definitely above 60. Sub 19 for 5km where running is not your main sports, vo2max can guess is already above 60.

My watch predicts sub 19 5km time and 40:00 10k, with 56 Vo2max

End of the day, prefer to base it off my interval times and improve from there.

https://ibb.co/hCSwcfs

This was from my intervals yesterday, 2 x 2km with 72s recovery. Managed to run side by side with a former national athlete coach on the 2nd set. But he went on to complete 2 more sets, running negative splits with 90s recovery.

 

[raylong]

If you don't want your vo2max to decay faster, then should have at least one once a week. Don't have to be interval every week, some time switch to threshold run for more fun.

I see this is interesting

 

[raylong]

Shoe reviewer Nick Harris just done run 4:29/km at a shocking average 117bpm. What a low hr grandmaster!

 

[Ender]

Yeah sometimes testing is not 100% accurate, got to make do with it.

But I find it weird the lady said Vo2max barely can improve over time. I think there's a limit to it but it can be improved through training.

My watch predicts sub 19 5km time and 40:00 10k, with 56 Vo2max

End of the day, prefer to base it off my interval times and improve from there.

https://ibb.co/hCSwcfs

This was from my intervals yesterday, 2 x 2km with 72s recovery. Managed to run side by side with a former national athlete coach on the 2nd set. But he went on to complete 2 more sets, running negative splits with 90s recovery.

Watch prediction is you have to put in the efforts to train to achieve that predicted goal. Like my watch prediction is I can do sub 3:50 FM. But I am still struggling to meet that sub 4 goal. Since my goal is less than the watch prediction, I feel this sub 4 goal is a realistic goal.