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LP is a killer hobby.

One LP is easily $50 n those good one can cost up to a few hundred per piece.
You power lar. I think I spent around 40K on my audiophile setups and really had to stop myself from spending more, though I still dream of one day owning a Tomei or Ongaku :ROFLMAO: and complete Dragon loom :ROFLMAO:

Running...much cheaper hobby, I only buy Asics on discount :LOL:
 

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Your 5km timing totally don't correspond to your 17km timing on the treadmill. There's just something very wrong with your treadmill some where some how siah....

No need to calibrate my Garmin Watch with the Treadmill whenever I run finished, correct ?
 

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Oh, I still forget my luxury clothing like Balenciaga which cost me at leasr $500 for 1 T shirt which is more than enough to buy the most expensive running shoes liao :s13:

Dont buy real one if just for play play and for vanity. Get from TB. (y)
As we progress through the years and get older, the urge for luxury "showing" decreases.
Of coz the ones you really really like and got use, get real ones.

My cycling jerseys from TB, but is decent 80/20 Polyester/spandex and the microfibre quality and smoothness is decent. My aero skin suits also.

Not gonna pay 200-300 for those leisure ones and over 500 for the skinsuits with textured aero patterns.
It is the texture that works.
Not even a semi pro racing or having very solid timing goals, just amateur cheongster nia.....play play hobby can liao.


Aero socks too, entry level 40 dollars and all the way close to $100. For that 2-3 watts savings at 35kmh and that is being generous liao. Siao. TB only 5 dollars and furthermore i go "mod" and make it cover up to the knee area so shd easily match the real ones and then some. (real ones only cover half of the calf length). The quality is literally the same.

Of coz stuff like helmets bo bian, for safety. But there are GB china specifications and good china brands also, so also can use, and some of coz copy the designs rather closely (not 100% tho, so cant say they cheong it)
 
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Dont buy real one if just for play play and for vanity. Get from TB. (y)
As we progress through the years and get older, the urge for luxury "showing" decreases.
Of coz the ones you really really like and got use, get real ones.

My cycling jerseys from TB, but is decent 80/20 Polyester/spandex and the microfibre quality and smoothness is decent. My aero skin suits also.

Not gonna pay 200-300 for those leisure ones and over 500 for the skinsuits with textured aero patterns.
It is the texture that works.
Not even a semi pro racing or having very solid timing goals, just amateur cheongster nia.....play play hobby can liao.


Aero socks too, entry level 40 dollars and all the way close to $100. For that 2-3 watts savings at 35kmh and that is being generous liao. Siao. TB only 5 dollars and furthermore i go "mod" and make it cover up to the knee area so shd easily match the real ones and then some. (real ones only cover half of the calf length). The quality is literally the same.

Of coz stuff like helmets bo bian, for safety. But there are GB china specifications and good china brands also, so also can use, and some of coz copy the designs rather closely (not 100% tho, so cant say they cheong it)
Wah, you are so wrong, bro.

In fact as one gets older, the urge for luxury "showing" actually increase, because as grow older lesser stamina for activities.

Those rich boomers in my church always show off their fancy Europe trips, vintage cars, watches, audiophile setups, etc. It's those younger ones tend to go more for "achievement" showing off like completing marathons, because got more time than money.
 

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All my NB Sneakers Made in England or USA one I ordered online cost me more than $200 per pair which I think you all should know the prices.

My Audiophile hobby cost me about $100K.

My photography hobby cost me about $25K.

:s21:
we have similar hobbies, running, hifi and photography, although i had given up my camera and lenses now :p

sneakers and running wears are much more wallet friendly than hifi
 

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LP is a killer hobby.

One LP is easily $50 n those good one can cost up to a few hundred per piece.
need the right condition(s) to really enjoy LP. Besides LP itself, also need appropriate room (acoustics), LP cartridge, LP player, amplifier, etc. More things to play and more resources to spend.
 

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You power lar. I think I spent around 40K on my audiophile setups and really had to stop myself from spending more, though I still dream of one day owning a Tomei or Ongaku :ROFLMAO: and complete Dragon loom :ROFLMAO:

Running...much cheaper hobby, I only buy Asics on discount :LOL:
I have stopped my hifi spending few years back as the room is the limiting factor. New retirement house I choose the easier layman path by going for sonos instead. No way can get the special sound but can enjoy music easily for everyone in family just using handphone app.

Now spending money on more affordable Chinese running shoes and running wears.
 

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Wah, you are so wrong, bro.

In fact as one gets older, the urge for luxury "showing" actually increase, because as grow older lesser stamina for activities.

Those rich boomers in my church always show off their fancy Europe trips, vintage cars, watches, audiophile setups, etc. It's those younger ones tend to go more for "achievement" showing off like completing marathons, because got more time than money.
as i grew older, personally I no longer spend on luxury stuffs, but go for value for money quality and well-designed stuffs. Just need to know how to match well and look good. Invest more resources, eg, time on myself to exercise and look better regardless of what i wear.
 

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20240714 28degC xtep 160x5.0 (yesterday evening)
5.06km @ 6'13" av
5.21km @ 6'40" av
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we have similar hobbies, running, hifi and photography, although i had given up my camera and lenses now :p

sneakers and running wears are much more wallet friendly than hifi

Hifi must sit, listen n enjoy but if you're always on the go then portable earbuds is a better go.
 

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Hifi must sit, listen n enjoy but if you're always on the go then portable earbuds is a better go.
Nothing beats sitting down in front of hifi while sipping ice cold Pellegrino Aranciata after a nice long run. :cool:

I've been following a cycle of 3 runs recently with one rest day in between the cycles.
Easy long run at Zone 2 -> Very Easy recovery run at Zone 1 -> Hard run at Zone 3/4

So far, it's effective and I'm gaining back my fitness level and yesterday could run 12 km at 7:15 pace with average HR of 137 for my recovery run. Hopefully by time I go to Hanoi I could do 6:30 pace for my recovery.
 

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Dont buy real one if just for play play and for vanity. Get from TB. (y)
As we progress through the years and get older, the urge for luxury "showing" decreases.
Of coz the ones you really really like and got use, get real ones.

My cycling jerseys from TB, but is decent 80/20 Polyester/spandex and the microfibre quality and smoothness is decent. My aero skin suits also.

Not gonna pay 200-300 for those leisure ones and over 500 for the skinsuits with textured aero patterns.
It is the texture that works.
Not even a semi pro racing or having very solid timing goals, just amateur cheongster nia.....play play hobby can liao.


Aero socks too, entry level 40 dollars and all the way close to $100. For that 2-3 watts savings at 35kmh and that is being generous liao. Siao. TB only 5 dollars and furthermore i go "mod" and make it cover up to the knee area so shd easily match the real ones and then some. (real ones only cover half of the calf length). The quality is literally the same.

Of coz stuff like helmets bo bian, for safety. But there are GB china specifications and good china brands also, so also can use, and some of coz copy the designs rather closely (not 100% tho, so cant say they cheong it)
Ya, China stuff for value. Now my singlets all china brand. Cheap, light and most important breathable.
 

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Good video for those who want to understand LT1, LT2, VO2max, mechanical efficiency, metabolic efficiency

The guy who tested Vo2max explains how VO2max is like the volume of a gas tank. Lactate threshold is like the volume of fuel inside the gas tank. Metabolic/mechanical efficiency shows the quality and processing of the fuel.

Can keep improving over time even for Matt Fox's level. >> Do long runs at lower end of threshold range (LT1), Do 400 reps faster to develop neuromuscular speed.


Can empathise with Nicole. 1.5k is really a pain to run if more suited to 5/10k. Can see that even though she hit her PB, but still wasn't very satisfied since she only wanted to race the 5k only.

Also, special mention to the coach, know him well since I see him in the track frequently. He has a no-nonsense style approach. Either do it or don't.

From what I hear from others under his coaching >> He is very achievement-oriented, so he simplifies individual struggles in order to achieve performance. Can be good if you want to be the best out there, sucks if you want to achieve balance between comfort and performance though.
@Kuudere what are your thoughts on Yasso 800s? what pace to target?
I haven't done Yasso 800s before but from what I understand, it's usually used as a predictor workout for marathon. You run 10 x 800 with the same rest time as you run the intervals. The average pace of the workout = your marathon time. I have done 8 x 1k w/ 3 minute rest @ 4.03 min/km average so I think I can chime in?

Let's get into the juicy part now.

1, Is it a predictor for marathon?
  • Depends whether you are in marathon shape (you are clocking high mileage, done couple of marathons before and have experience, do long runs (30+km/week) and whether you are fast twitch or slow twitch runner. If your mileage is low, you are fast twitch or you lack experience in running marathon, then this workout is very far from predicting actual marathon performance.
  • What you definitely can get out of this workout is as follows quoting a Letsrun thread commenters: "The best explanation I have ever had for the Y-800’s is that it tells you what you can’t do a marathon in, not what you can do it in. Make sense? For example, if you want to do a 3:00 marathon, and you can’t do the 800’s in 3:00, then you can’t do the marathon in 3:00. But if you can do the 800’s in 3:00 it is not a guarantee that you can do the marathon in 3:00. It has held true for me."
  • "Basically, the Y800s are using 10k speed as the limiting factor for your marathon time, which isn't a perfect predictor because it happens to be a 42k race. For that reason, I think that a lot of younger people coming up from 5/10k (me) find the "prediction" fast, and people with big aerobic development can run closer to the time."
2. Breaking the workout down
  • Usually, you start at <=10% and run your peaking/final interval repeats at 20-25% of your race distance anywhere from 1.5k to 10k. For instance, 1.5k, you start the season with 200s and then progress to 400s as your final distance. For the 10k, you start at 1k and progress to 2k. So, 800s are usually done as either a 3k/5k workout.
  • Goal pace depends on your rest. So, if rest = work, then it's closer to vo2max (3k pace).
  • Putting everything together, it's indicative of 6-7k race fitness. You can do this workout at your goal 6k-7k pace and you should survive until the end. But naturally, you will run 3k pace if you don't pace yourself well. :ROFLMAO:
3. What are your goals/What do you intend to do with the workout?
  • Use it as marathon predictor? >> Best not to read too much into that since the distance is too short to be a proper marathon predictor.
  • Use it to progress to 7-8 x 1km? >> That's alright provided you don't change the rest too much and planning to progress to 10-21.1k. In this case, it's a good early season workout.
  • Cut the rest times for 800m sessions across the weeks? >> Also alright, provided you don't change the distance and using this as 6-7k training.
That being said, I am gonna do 10 x 600m w/ 2 min rest today, since FFRC did this workout last Thursday and claims that goal 3.15 marathon runners should run 3.25 - 3.35 min/km pace as a vo2max workout. If anything, I think that running club bo chup since the person planning the workouts isn't a verified coach. Just doing this to see how I stack up against the fastest group there and since the workout helps in my 5k prep. 😅
 

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Good video for those who want to understand LT1, LT2, VO2max, mechanical efficiency, metabolic efficiency

The guy who tested Vo2max explains how VO2max is like the volume of a gas tank. Lactate threshold is like the volume of fuel inside the gas tank. Metabolic/mechanical efficiency shows the quality and processing of the fuel.

Can keep improving over time even for Matt Fox's level. >> Do long runs at lower end of threshold range (LT1), Do 400 reps faster to develop neuromuscular speed.

Just quickly glance thru the video, and notice something interesting, his LT1 and LT2 has a narrow band. If using a 5 zones system, his zone 3 band is narrow. Breaking the intensities zones as a percentages of maxHR is really very generic. Because this LT1 and LT2 will change as we progress, and both LT points do not progress in tandem, it depends on that type of training we are focusing on, that's why I feel these percentages of MaxHR into zones is as accurate as the 220-age for Max Hr. very generic and usually not accurate.

The other interesting is the pricking is at the ear. I always thought it from the finger coz always go polyclinic, if they need a small sample, it is usually from the finger. I had never been to a sport lab, so don't know such things. I wonder how does the Norwegian does it in the field training?
 

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Good video for those who want to understand LT1, LT2, VO2max, mechanical efficiency, metabolic efficiency

The guy who tested Vo2max explains how VO2max is like the volume of a gas tank. Lactate threshold is like the volume of fuel inside the gas tank. Metabolic/mechanical efficiency shows the quality and processing of the fuel.

Can keep improving over time even for Matt Fox's level. >> Do long runs at lower end of threshold range (LT1), Do 400 reps faster to develop neuromuscular speed.


Can empathise with Nicole. 1.5k is really a pain to run if more suited to 5/10k. Can see that even though she hit her PB, but still wasn't very satisfied since she only wanted to race the 5k only.

Also, special mention to the coach, know him well since I see him in the track frequently. He has a no-nonsense style approach. Either do it or don't.

From what I hear from others under his coaching >> He is very achievement-oriented, so he simplifies individual struggles in order to achieve performance. Can be good if you want to be the best out there, sucks if you want to achieve balance between comfort and performance though.

I haven't done Yasso 800s before but from what I understand, it's usually used as a predictor workout for marathon. You run 10 x 800 with the same rest time as you run the intervals. The average pace of the workout = your marathon time. I have done 8 x 1k w/ 3 minute rest @ 4.03 min/km average so I think I can chime in?

Let's get into the juicy part now.

1, Is it a predictor for marathon?
  • Depends whether you are in marathon shape (you are clocking high mileage, done couple of marathons before and have experience, do long runs (30+km/week) and whether you are fast twitch or slow twitch runner. If your mileage is low, you are fast twitch or you lack experience in running marathon, then this workout is very far from predicting actual marathon performance.
  • What you definitely can get out of this workout is as follows quoting a Letsrun thread commenters: "The best explanation I have ever had for the Y-800’s is that it tells you what you can’t do a marathon in, not what you can do it in. Make sense? For example, if you want to do a 3:00 marathon, and you can’t do the 800’s in 3:00, then you can’t do the marathon in 3:00. But if you can do the 800’s in 3:00 it is not a guarantee that you can do the marathon in 3:00. It has held true for me."
  • "Basically, the Y800s are using 10k speed as the limiting factor for your marathon time, which isn't a perfect predictor because it happens to be a 42k race. For that reason, I think that a lot of younger people coming up from 5/10k (me) find the "prediction" fast, and people with big aerobic development can run closer to the time."
2. Breaking the workout down
  • Usually, you start at <=10% and run your peaking/final interval repeats at 20-25% of your race distance anywhere from 1.5k to 10k. For instance, 1.5k, you start the season with 200s and then progress to 400s as your final distance. For the 10k, you start at 1k and progress to 2k. So, 800s are usually done as either a 3k/5k workout.
  • Goal pace depends on your rest. So, if rest = work, then it's closer to vo2max (3k pace).
  • Putting everything together, it's indicative of 6-7k race fitness. You can do this workout at your goal 6k-7k pace and you should survive until the end. But naturally, you will run 3k pace if you don't pace yourself well. :ROFLMAO:
3. What are your goals/What do you intend to do with the workout?
  • Use it as marathon predictor? >> Best not to read too much into that since the distance is too short to be a proper marathon predictor.
  • Use it to progress to 7-8 x 1km? >> That's alright provided you don't change the rest too much and planning to progress to 10-21.1k. In this case, it's a good early season workout.
  • Cut the rest times for 800m sessions across the weeks? >> Also alright, provided you don't change the distance and using this as 6-7k training.
That being said, I am gonna do 10 x 600m w/ 2 min rest today, since FFRC did this workout last Thursday and claims that goal 3.15 marathon runners should run 3.25 - 3.35 min/km pace as a vo2max workout. If anything, I think that running club bo chup since the person planning the workouts isn't a verified coach. Just doing this to see how I stack up against the fastest group there and since the workout helps in my 5k prep. 😅

Thanks for the great breakdown. Think I will start conservatively tmr then progress faster towards the end.
 
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