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Hihi! I'm returning to running. Ate alot during my recent trip to Australia and wanted to lose some weight. I currently have 3 pairs of shoes which I use to wear when I actively do 5km daily about 2 years ago. I still wear them occasionally but I haven't been running at all.
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For a start. What's the recommended distance to do?

Sales69 has good suggestions for you.

Maybe u also want to consider resistance training as well. Can use resistance band, body weight or dumbbells. Building muscles can help in many areas of maintaining good health. Much better than just cardio exercises alone.

If you are only focusing on weight loss, then eat more protein and reduce your calories intake. Weight loss is only a matter of having a net loss in daily calories intake and calories burning. Healthy enough or not, it's up to your own interpretation. Because some people will eat less overall (especially if it's due to fear of consuming animal fats) but missing out on nutrients. Mutivits supplements only can help to a certain extent. Overdosing pose a risk as well. A balanced diet is important.
 
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Talking about MHR, yeah i probably did hit twice, over 180 when i glanced at it. Then pulled back a little coz the alarm went off.
But could not sustain even a more decent 3:20-3:25 for the last km (3rd km).

I actually only wanted to test 3k as usual, but coz i paced it wrongly (again) and so fizzled out for the last km.....but still feeling rather ok as in not dead yet coz already dead before 2km, and semi recovered for 3rd K then decided to run another km.
Actually could have gone for 1km more to make it 5k, but i wanted to save a bit for cycling after that, with a refueling break.

I suspect my strength training also shaped a bit of my mind to really like the short and sweet "suffering mode", so 3k realm is a similar sweet spot in terms of feeling.

Earlier on like 1 year ago, i was able to pace better with negative split or evenly split and run pretty nicely for 5k and even 10k in 2023....but that time i was also training for running endurance with a lot more volume in running, like 70-80km coz got long runs. But that time much less cycling. And now is more like lots of cycling endurance/volume with relatively little running volume only, ......so a bit different muscles used and trained prob (lactate clearance prob).

Cycling i can tahan long sessions longer, coz more wind more cooling more scenery to see and also need to check traffic constantly. Not monotonous your mind wont drift off one.

Japan excels at longer distances, i guess the shorter distances still got "market" for those wanting to specialize in ekidens, but of coz not world class.
I wouldn't hit my MHR until 8-9km in. That's why I am best suited to run the 10k. At this point, 2k is your comfort zone. Might get back to 3k if you run more.

Ekiden, they usually let the foreign runners run the shorter distances. So, I think Japanese are still more geared towards half marathon and above. They thrive well in endurance scaling. They hit their peak for longer distances much more easily.
running fast is very very addictive! 200 & 400 my favorites but for folks used to distance running at moderate pace watch your running form/mechanics. If not injuries can come very fast and very furious :ROFLMAO:
200s and 400s, multiple repeats would most likely be done at 800m and 1500m pace respectively. And if you go all out, then would be even harder. The one thing I get injured, actually isn't my legs but my arms or chest. Because short distance, requires more force. So, have to hit the gym more.
Hihi! I'm returning to running. Ate alot during my recent trip to Australia and wanted to lose some weight. I currently have 3 pairs of shoes which I use to wear when I actively do 5km daily about 2 years ago. I still wear them occasionally but I haven't been running at all.

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New Balance 880 v13
Asics nimbus

For a start. What's the recommended distance to do?
Can try like what sales said, maybe mix it up with walking if running is a little too difficult for you at the start
 

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Talking about MHR, yeah i probably did hit twice, over 180 when i glanced at it. Then pulled back a little coz the alarm went off.
But could not sustain even a more decent 3:20-3:25 for the last km (3rd km).

I actually only wanted to test 3k as usual, but coz i paced it wrongly (again) and so fizzled out for the last km.....but still feeling rather ok as in not dead yet coz already dead before 2km, and semi recovered for 3rd K then decided to run another km.
Actually could have gone for 1km more to make it 5k, but i wanted to save a bit for cycling after that, with a refueling break.

I suspect my strength training also shaped a bit of my mind to really like the short and sweet "suffering mode", so 3k realm is a similar sweet spot in terms of feeling.

Earlier on like 1 year ago, i was able to pace better with negative split or evenly split and run pretty nicely for 5k and even 10k in 2023....but that time i was also training for running endurance with a lot more volume in running, like 70-80km coz got long runs. But that time much less cycling. And now is more like lots of cycling endurance/volume with relatively little running volume only, ......so a bit different muscles used and trained prob (lactate clearance prob).

Cycling i can tahan long sessions longer, coz more wind more cooling more scenery to see and also need to check traffic constantly. Not monotonous your mind wont drift off one.

Japan excels at longer distances, i guess the shorter distances still got "market" for those wanting to specialize in ekidens, but of coz not world class.

running fast is very very addictive! 200 & 400 my favorites but for folks used to distance running at moderate pace watch your running form/mechanics. If not injuries can come very fast and very furious :ROFLMAO:

I wouldn't hit my MHR until 8-9km in. That's why I am best suited to run the 10k. At this point, 2k is your comfort zone. Might get back to 3k if you run more.

Ekiden, they usually let the foreign runners run the shorter distances. So, I think Japanese are still more geared towards half marathon and above. They thrive well in endurance scaling. They hit their peak for longer distances much more easily.

200s and 400s, multiple repeats would most likely be done at 800m and 1500m pace respectively. And if you go all out, then would be even harder. The one thing I get injured, actually isn't my legs but my arms or chest. Because short distance, requires more force. So, have to hit the gym more.

Can try like what sales said, maybe mix it up with walking if running is a little too difficult for you at the start

For me, I don't have the speed for sprints probably due to my weight. My style is more of can maintain the pace for longer than most. I think my ideal is 17-21 km. Just thinking I only did one marathon in 2022 and dnf 2023 and 2024. Hoping I can finish with good timing in SCSM 2025.
 

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For me, I don't have the speed for sprints probably due to my weight. My style is more of can maintain the pace for longer than most. I think my ideal is 17-21 km. Just thinking I only did one marathon in 2022 and dnf 2023 and 2024. Hoping I can finish with good timing in SCSM 2025.

Actually can try 150-200s @ 90% RPE when legs are fresh after Dec race, high chance no issue one. Do stride effort/speed for 150-200.....if feel ok for a few times, then can attempt 1 set max sprint. 5 mins dynamic warm up at least.
See if hamstrings can take it or not, you can strengthen with minibands prior for a few times if you want.
Since you already play HM, i think AT and PF shd be pretty tough and solid.

Resistance training + sprints might be a good additional aid and what you are missing to lose even more fats. Quite a lot of youtube vids explaining the science.
You can of coz brute force via Z2 cardio, just do it like my way....... 15-20 hrs total per week of both Z1/base + higher intensities. Not dissimilar to 150km weekly mileage via Z2 base runs only....eg 15 hrs of 5:30 Z2 pace is 163km. 20hrs is 218km.

My body fat % is like 10-at most 15% now....i pinch my front and side waist literally at most 1 inch of extra stuff nia. Can also differentiate between the gastrocs and soleus for the calves and for quads the difference for medialis and lateralis, is not coz of strong big muscles but more of low fat %. But then again, i might not be a good eg coz i do strength and sprints/really fast work be it bike or runs.
But for sure i am the hard gainer type (ectomorph) but now at 173cm and 68kg i am inching closer to endo-mesomorph.

Yes, combining resistance training with sprint interval training (SIT) is a highly effective strategy for fat loss, as resistance training builds muscle to boost your metabolism long-term, while sprints provide an intense calorie burn during exercise and trigger significant fat-burning hormonal responses and a metabolic "afterburn" effect. This powerful combination creates a calorie deficit and optimizes your body's ability to burn fat.

How They Work Together
  • Resistance Training:
    This builds muscle mass, which increases your resting metabolism, meaning you burn more calories even when you're not exercising.

  • Sprinting (SIT):
    High-intensity efforts like sprints are excellent for burning calories and fat during the workout and create an elevated "afterburn" effect, where your body continues to burn calories at a higher rate post-workout. Sprints also trigger the release of fat-burning hormones.
Key Benefits
  • Increased Fat Reduction:
    Studies show sprint interval training is extremely effective, leading to greater fat reduction compared to other forms of cardio like high-intensity interval training (HIIT) and moderate-intensity continuous training.

  • Improved Body Recomposition:
    The combination of muscle building and fat burning leads to a favorable shift in body composition, making you leaner and stronger.

  • Hormonal Boost:
    Sprinting can increase hormones like adrenaline and human growth hormone, which are beneficial for fat loss.

  • Time-Efficient:
    Sprint workouts are short but intense, making them a time-efficient way to achieve significant fat loss results.
 
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Hihi! I'm returning to running. Ate alot during my recent trip to Australia and wanted to lose some weight. I currently have 3 pairs of shoes which I use to wear when I actively do 5km daily about 2 years ago. I still wear them occasionally but I haven't been running at all.

New Balance RC can't remember model number
New Balance 880 v13
Asics nimbus

For a start. What's the recommended distance to do?

Yes, it's a good start for starters, 2km is fine for starters and all your shoes are fine, then you slowly add the intensity and distance up, really slowly like 5% additional load each week. If you straight jump back into 5k now, sure sooner or later kena plantar fasciiatis or achilles tendonitis.
Not sure why did you leave daily 5k running last time.

You mentioned returning to running...... The idea is not to leave the hobby in the first place, so as to get consistency, via enjoyment of your new found "hobby". It could be running, could be cycling, could be swimming, could be strength/resistance training, could be hyrox. Or a combi of 2-4 of them. thist way you really enjoy it after a hard day's of work and hence all your sessions are a PULL factor rather than a PUSH one that you are doing simply coz you wanna lose weight.
 
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while on the topic of running fast.. what are your go to "racing flats"
Not many low stack-non plated-cushioned options in the market

Adidas Adios 9 - current choice
Asics Hyper Speed 5 - used Hyper Speed 4 previously
Puma Liberate Nitro 2 - good shoe but puma discontinued it i think

Yet to try Nike Rival Fly 4

Plated options (not at that level yet)
Adidas Takumi Sen 11
Nike Streak Fly 2

Any other options? xtep 薄底香菜 is low stacked but I don't think is geared for speed training.
 

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Wanna ask abt hill sprint workout.. I found a stretch about 200m of slope near my place.. not very steep slope..

Should I run at max effort or a controlled pace?

Intending to do 8 to 10 reps of 100m..
 

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Wanna ask abt hill sprint workout.. I found a stretch about 200m of slope near my place.. not very steep slope..

Should I run at max effort or a controlled pace?

Intending to do 8 to 10 reps of 100m..
for me.. if just 100m gentle up slope. it's MAX effort
test it out.. you will know. if at after 7x cannot sustain max.. then maybe u can need to move it down a notch
 

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Wanna ask abt hill sprint workout.. I found a stretch about 200m of slope near my place.. not very steep slope..

Should I run at max effort or a controlled pace?

Intending to do 8 to 10 reps of 100m..

The general idea is 95-100% RPE of not more than 15 seconds duration coz you want the quality adaptations that max effort can bring and that can be fully achieved when the ATP-PC is fully recharged (or nearly fully recharged). So some pax want 5 mins rest between reps, which is honestly a bit too long......but 2-3 mins also can if not anal. The idea is Quality of it. If you cannot finish 10 reps with quality in mind then actually 4 working reps also very good already (1 warm up stride or something) but break it over 2 sessions. Can also think in terms of weekly vol, it's either 8-10 in 1 session per week, or 4-5 reps twice a week, or even 3 reps 3X a week that you can incorporate prior to your run sessions that arent active recovery sessions.

V impt to view it as for the quality adaptations that you acquire, rather than the adaptations from the volume /distance that you'd achieve via the usual workouts. Coz if you want vol, just do the LT2 intervals stuff.
 
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Again, disclaimer here : Treat SITs as if you are a beginner to sprinting exercises. You might be a "fast" 3-4hr FMer but that means little to sprinting as you inch closer to 2:00 pace, the biomechanics are quite different. So slowly build it up.

For eg, the adductors (inner thighs / groin) and hamstrings muscles are more intensively used when you are runner instead of jogging, and of coz more during sprinting than running. Think glute medius also same relationship. You can be ultra strong and have endurance in terms of soleus / calves and quads but comparatively weak in muscles used for much faster speeds.
 

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The general idea is 95-100% RPE of not more than 15 seconds duration coz you want the quality adaptations that max effort can bring and that can be fully achieved when the ATP-PC is fully recharged (or nearly fully recharged). So some pax want 5 mins rest between reps, which is honestly a bit too long......but 2-3 mins also can if not anal. The idea is Quality of it. If you cannot finish 10 reps with quality in mind then actually 4 working reps also very good already (1 warm up stride or something) but break it over 2 sessions. Can also think in terms of weekly vol, it's either 8-10 in 1 session per week, or 4-5 reps twice a week, or even 3 reps 3X a week that you can incorporate prior to your run sessions that arent active recovery sessions.

V impt to view it as for the quality adaptations that you acquire, rather than the adaptations from the volume /distance that you'd achieve via the usual workouts. Coz if you want vol, just do the LT2 intervals stuff.
Will try 15secs x 5 rep first with 2 to 3mins rest or when HR recovers..
 

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Again, disclaimer here : Treat SITs as if you are a beginner to sprinting exercises. You might be a "fast" 3-4hr FMer but that means little to sprinting as you inch closer to 2:00 pace, the biomechanics are quite different. So slowly build it up.

For eg, the adductors (inner thighs / groin) and hamstrings muscles are more intensively used when you are runner instead of jogging, and of coz more during sprinting than running. Think glute medius also same relationship. You can be ultra strong and have endurance in terms of soleus / calves and quads but comparatively weak in muscles used for much faster speeds.
just a personal observation from my own experience. as you stress/strengthen different muscle groups. the body also adapts. years ago when i did 2 hrs+ runs, i typically gets some soreness in the quads and calves. fast forward today, the only soreness i got yesterday from the long run on sunday was my glutes.
My calves are practically sleeping now on easy and moderate jogs and only wakes up on faster running.

so either the body has adapted to the strengthening of new muscle groups or I am not giving my glutes enough recovery :ROFLMAO:
 

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just a personal observation from my own experience. as you stress/strengthen different muscle groups. the body also adapts. years ago when i did 2 hrs+ runs, i typically gets some soreness in the quads and calves. fast forward today, the only soreness i got yesterday from the long run on sunday was my glutes.
My calves are practically sleeping now on easy and moderate jogs and only wakes up on faster running.

so either the body has adapted to the strengthening of new muscle groups or I am not giving my glutes enough recovery :ROFLMAO:

Sure one, new things = possible DOMS. Same thing with strength resistance training exercises.

Like i was a rather decent push-uper, been training for over 2 years actually, even when overseas i also brought my bands to do, alternate days training as part of the routine. I trained up to the level with resistance bands of around 20kg at the top + 50cm feet on incline. Partials, full ROM, quick explosive clapping to slow. PB with getting till over 60 push ups (IIRC 65 or so) in a minute on the flat with no resistance.

Then i started to play with dips and added that in tgt with the push ups, the first 2 times i hooted to failure, after that got new DOMs.
I mean it makes sense, even though both are pretty similar push upper body exercises....but still specifics are different.

Best is, just do both for max improvements. Just constantly dishing out "punishment" with several working sets of 100 push ups flat ground might not be the answer we are after. Might get injured with overuse in some particular area also.
As long as you intro something somewhat new to the body, however relatively small or relatively similar that might be, the body needs to adapt, and that is what drives improvements.
 
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