jogging and motivation thread

[WussRedXLi]

so far only 25km running in them and walked on them quite abit (4 full days), just initial impressions.
Not my cup of tea. Slow pace is really mehh, slightly better if pace is above 6:30min/km but nothing fantastic. Midsole response is too slow for me.
Feels clunky to me when i run in them. Not most comfortable to me for walking in long duration cos its too soft.

Thanks. Maybe it's overhyped, for whatever reasons. Luckily I didn't buy.

I tried both novablast and dynablast in the shop, in the end found dynablast better for me.

so far having used novablast 4 and novablast 3 for easy runs, I do feel it is good and responsive. Have never tried 5 yet as the price still not good. Seeing your reviews make me not want to go there haha

Really dont understand how they managed to F up the lineage since Novablast 3 (really pretty good just a bit clunky feel that's about it, saw heaps of AHM 2023 HM and 10k runners using) and Novablast 4 (still decent, above average). And RRP (before disc) not as cheap also i believe.

Im still using my Novablast 3 for those chapalang runs and also trips to Batam.
Coz i bought the TR version,. insole got more pattern for grip over loose surfaces (eg soil, rocky surfaces) and thickness maciam like times 3.
Midsole still ok.......i think probably close to 2k mileage by now with using since 2022.
On the internet, someone used his pair of NB2 for > 1.6k and still quite usable tho of coz if you're gonna gun HM /10k PB with it then better not.

If i hadnt bought 4 pairs of Puma Deviate nitro 2, i'd be using this liao (and prob retiring it by now) for my home-office daily runs and office use (job requires me to walk around quite a fair bit)

 

[WussRedXLi]

me not buying bike. if i am to buy one now, my target will be one of the following:
lower budget: TFSA JH-33
higher budget: TFSA JH-35 or Tantan X-68

Good choice, and it's good to arm with you as much good info as possible.
I think if you are gonna get in China, best to get the TFSA or any brand that is more known there. Easier to get those small spare parts that might be spoilt if anything goes wrong, if not headache.
eg recently i bent my rear detrailleur hanger (my kid toppled it over and landed on the side on the rear derailleur side) and just a quick search on TB and tada. I asked 4 shops here and none had any info here as it's not the usual stuff that we carry here.
If not, your bike is as good as "gone"

I saw some info, not sure if it is rigorous science/objective practical experience and tests, or just broscience, saying that past around T800 CF grade, it does not really make much of a difference in performance/speed.
Stiffer frames would feel different, but does that translate into speed or not, not sure.
Also, you gotta have really good wattage to feel that. Just the regular 150-250W accelerations on the road overtaking other cyclists chilling out is not gonna cut it.

So in essence, i am not even sure if getting a Quick Pro ER:One would be beneficial to me or not.
The Sava R7 might not look "correct" for a serious cyclist, but then again, does a better frame translate into more speed for me first and foremost or not.

It's like Novablast 3 that i am talking above), i still can gun in it, albeit not longer distances lah. 2.4 or 3k still very good, dont feel it to be a limiting factor.

Think spending more on wheels more worth. And helmet....if you are playing TT then get a good TT helmet, at least can look pro can liao.


And the best thing, sometimes, free speed is what one would need in a TT
If done properly, this saves me more wattage than changing from the Sava to a S-works SL8 @ 35-40kmh. Dont even bring in a better aero position which is even more significant (eg my pseudo TT position which i can maintain well over 30 mins due to appropriate strength training )

Bonus

 

[WussRedXLi]

I think for endurance and maybe even ultra races, bo bian gotta be in zone 3 for significant durations if you are pretty highly trained/sub-elite. That's the "race pace". But that's inherently needed duing races. It's not inherently bad per se, you still need it in races, but just dont over-do it (same with other zones). Prob the faster recreational athletes cant even handle that, maybe Zone 2 nia, which is better for training together with zone 1, simply coz less fatique accumulated and so you can do more volume but carries less risk.

"Stop confusing tired with trained, Stop living where your mitochondria can't pay the rent!"

But if you want spicier things and you dont do those crazy mileages, really gotta do the faster stuff and get some explosiveness (plus strength train) assuming your base for the distance that you are doing is already there. Esp for cycling which it does matter more in the real world.
ie you gotta train all the ranges and energy systems.....ultimately netting you much more gains overall as you'd drag everything upwards also.


It is more or less the same for running.......

 

[milkiee]

so far having used novablast 4 and novablast 3 for easy runs, I do feel it is good and responsive. Have never tried 5 yet as the price still not good. Seeing your reviews make me not want to go there haha

i have the novablast 3 and 5. i like the novablast 3 better, its very bouncy and responsive.
the novablast 5 just feels soft and mushy.

 

[WussRedXLi]

i have the novablast 3 and 5. i like the novablast 3 better, its very bouncy and responsive.
the novablast 5 just feels soft and mushy.

NB3 really no horse run.....perhaps back in 2022 it was a wee bit overhyped by all the youtubers....but i feel the hype at least more or less worth it. If they'd designed it to be less clunky feeling, just need it to be a wee bit less clunky no need to change heckloads, for the price, it'd be nearly perfect training + fun shoe and even recreational racing shoe liao.

Even my wife (just a super recreational fella and non shoe geek) can tell the difference between her NB3 and current NB5. She told me not to buy after testing. heh
Anyone can try via left leg right leg testing with their current vs shoes in the shop.......quite telling one, no need to go further in depth.

The midsole is holding up great despite the mileage, seems like the foam, though heavy (g/cm3) by today's standards, is holding up really well. Only thing is whether the upper got holes or not or the insoles wearing off.
Can actually DIY stick the insoles, TB got sell.

 

[milkiee]

NB3 really no horse run.....perhaps back in 2022 it was a wee bit overhyped....but i feel the hype at least more or less worth it. If they'd designed it to be less clunky feeling, just need it to be a wee bit less clunky no need to change heckloads, for the price, it'd be nearly perfect training + fun shoe and even recreational racing shoe liao.

Even my wife (just a super recreational fella and non shoe geek) can tell the difference between her NB3 and current NB5. She told me not to buy after testing. heh

yeah i love nb3 the most even more than the superblast. it's a really fun and nice shoe.

 

[rarenick]

Good choice, and it's good to arm with you as much good info as possible.
I think if you are gonna get in China, best to get the TFSA or any brand that is more known there. Easier to get those small spare parts that might be spoilt if anything goes wrong, if not headache.
eg recently i bent my rear detrailleur hanger (my kid toppled it over and landed on the side on the rear derailleur side) and just a quick search on TB and tada. I asked 4 shops here and none had any info here as it's not the usual stuff that we carry here.
If not, your bike is as good as "gone"
I saw some info, not sure if it is rigorous science/objective practical experience and tests, or just broscience, saying that past around T800 CF grade, it does not really make much of a difference in performance/speed.
Stiffer frames would feel different, but does that translate into speed or not, not sure.
Also, you gotta have really good wattage to feel that. Just the regular 150-250W accelerations on the road overtaking other cyclists chilling out is not gonna cut it.
So in essence, i am not even sure if getting a Quick Pro ER:One would be beneficial to me or not.
The Sava R7 might not look "correct" for a serious cyclist, but then again, does a better frame translate into more speed for me first and foremost or not.
It's like Novablast 3 that i am talking above), i still can gun in it, albeit not longer distances lah. 2.4 or 3k still very good, dont feel it to be a limiting factor.
Think spending more on wheels more worth. And helmet....if you are playing TT then get a good TT helmet, at least can look pro can liao.

And the best thing, sometimes, free speed is what one would need in a TT
If done properly, this saves me more wattage than changing from the Sava to a S-works SL8 @ 35-40kmh. Dont even bring in a better aero position which is even more significant (eg my pseudo TT position which i can maintain well over 30 mins due to appropriate strength training )
Bonus

Many years ago I was riding Ridley Noah Fast. Stiff like hell, but really fast when riding zone 5 HR at tmcr 45 to 50km/hr. The rest of the ride, the butt pain like hell.

 

[xllms]

so far having used novablast 4 and novablast 3 for easy runs, I do feel it is good and responsive. Have never tried 5 yet as the price still not good. Seeing your reviews make me not want to go there haha

whats your easy run pace range?

 

[xllms]

Really dont understand how they managed to F up the lineage since Novablast 3 (really pretty good just a bit clunky feel that's about it, saw heaps of AHM 2023 HM and 10k runners using) and Novablast 4 (still decent, above average). And RRP (before disc) not as cheap also i believe.

Im still using my Novablast 3 for those chapalang runs and also trips to Batam.
Coz i bought the TR version,. insole got more pattern for grip over loose surfaces (eg soil, rocky surfaces) and thickness maciam like times 3.
Midsole still ok.......i think probably close to 2k mileage by now with using since 2022.
On the internet, someone used his pair of NB2 for > 1.6k and still quite usable tho of coz if you're gonna gun HM /10k PB with it then better not.

If i hadnt bought 4 pairs of Puma Deviate nitro 2, i'd be using this liao (and prob retiring it by now) for my home-office daily runs and office use (job requires me to walk around quite a fair bit)

for wearing long duration for work and daily runs, you may want to consider PEAK匹克 千层浪 or ON cloud go. Both are serving me really well in these aspects.

 

[rarenick]

Now I'm only left 1 pair of running shoes. I think I paid good money for ascis partly for the branding. Now it's like fashion, sports or non sports everyone's wearing ascis and onisuka tiger.

 

[xllms]

Good choice, and it's good to arm with you as much good info as possible.
I think if you are gonna get in China, best to get the TFSA or any brand that is more known there. Easier to get those small spare parts that might be spoilt if anything goes wrong, if not headache.
eg recently i bent my rear detrailleur hanger (my kid toppled it over and landed on the side on the rear derailleur side) and just a quick search on TB and tada. I asked 4 shops here and none had any info here as it's not the usual stuff that we carry here.
If not, your bike is as good as "gone"

I saw some info, not sure if it is rigorous science/objective practical experience and tests, or just broscience, saying that past around T800 CF grade, it does not really make much of a difference in performance/speed.
Stiffer frames would feel different, but does that translate into speed or not, not sure.
Also, you gotta have really good wattage to feel that. Just the regular 150-250W accelerations on the road overtaking other cyclists chilling out is not gonna cut it.

So in essence, i am not even sure if getting a Quick Pro ER:One would be beneficial to me or not.
The Sava R7 might not look "correct" for a serious cyclist, but then again, does a better frame translate into more speed for me first and foremost or not.

It's like Novablast 3 that i am talking above), i still can gun in it, albeit not longer distances lah. 2.4 or 3k still very good, dont feel it to be a limiting factor.

Think spending more on wheels more worth. And helmet....if you are playing TT then get a good TT helmet, at least can look pro can liao.


And the best thing, sometimes, free speed is what one would need in a TT
If done properly, this saves me more wattage than changing from the Sava to a S-works SL8 @ 35-40kmh. Dont even bring in a better aero position which is even more significant (eg my pseudo TT position which i can maintain well over 30 mins due to appropriate strength training )

Bonus

my logic and understanding is leisure riders won't benefit much from stiff frames unless one builds up his ppwer base to sustain long duration of high power. So better comfort is more critical to ensure better enjoyment than speed. If want good power, then spend some time research and read up online feedbacks and reviews to find out an estimate of the balance between the 2.
And yes you are right, important to get a bike with easy and affordable access to spare parts. Find a balance in looking good yet affordable.

 

[xllms]

Now I'm only left 1 pair of running shoes. I think I paid good money for ascis partly for the branding. Now it's like fashion, sports or non sports everyone's wearing ascis and onisuka tiger.

i think now its fashionable to buy quality Chinese brand running shoes.

 

[xllms]

i have the novablast 3 and 5. i like the novablast 3 better, its very bouncy and responsive.
the novablast 5 just feels soft and mushy.

yes mushy and soft, slow in response in the midsole. My seasoned Qiaodan 强风3TR feels better.
ohmy, i think i have started a NB5 bashing trend in here.

 

[WussRedXLi]

 

[WussRedXLi]

i think now its fashionable to buy quality Chinese brand running shoes.

If got $$$ no issue doing the usual international brands lah.......thing is buy so many shoes but cannot use finish.
If one is Ran To Japan (Train Harder, not Smarter) then no issue buy buy buy la. That guy uses up at least 8-10 shoes every year.

The same thing for basikal also for the non elite cyclists. Standard is already there. The only thing is whether or not one is brand conscious or need to gel with the group in group rides. And by the nature of the hobby (eg travelling to specific destinations for fun or for a purpose), cycling is worse than running (esp for SG) coz more social / longer interactions.

 

[rarenick]

i think now its fashionable to buy quality Chinese brand running shoes.

I bought anta basketball shoes. Haha

 

[rarenick]

If got $$$ no issue doing the usual international brands lah.......thing is buy so many shoes but cannot use finish.
If one is Ran To Japan (Train Harder, not Smarter) then no issue buy buy buy la. That guy uses up at least 8-10 shoes every year.
The same thing for basikal also for the non elite cyclists. Standard is already there. The only thing is whether or not one is brand conscious or need to gel with the group in group rides. And by the nature of the hobby (eg travelling to specific destinations for fun or for a purpose), cycling is worse than running (esp for SG) coz more social / longer interactions.

U often see sworks and pinarello only. Dunno is monkey see monkey do or they are just brands illiterate.

 

[WussRedXLi]

This is crazy.

 

[xllms]

If got $$$ no issue doing the usual international brands lah.......thing is buy so many shoes but cannot use finish.
If one is Ran To Japan (Train Harder, not Smarter) then no issue buy buy buy la. That guy uses up at least 8-10 shoes every year.

The same thing for basikal also for the non elite cyclists. Standard is already there. The only thing is whether or not one is brand conscious or need to gel with the group in group rides. And by the nature of the hobby (eg travelling to specific destinations for fun or for a purpose), cycling is worse than running (esp for SG) coz more social / longer interactions.

for me, i don't really care much about brand conscious or fitting in to any group. One can still social around and talk about the differences and other relevant topics. Not conforming helps me to filter off the fake people, so less time and effort wasted.

 

[rarenick]

for me, i don't really care much about brand conscious or fitting in to any group. One can still social around and talk about the differences and others. Not conforming helps me to filter off the fake people, so less time and effort wasted.

I got two frens rode 'lousy' bikes but they (in their respective groups) pulled the entire group of elite bikes riders all the way.