Jurong GRC discussion thread

[Plan_C]

Tharman is taman jurong MP.. Even the name is same.. Sure win one

 

[clementiboy]

i spit on singfirst. PUI!

I am sure many people living in the west are with me.

make singfirst lose until tng kor

 

[xArchangelSGE]

i also think TJS's jurong grc team is suicide squad leh.

 

[slowpokie]

by any chance any1nhave link for singfirst ah ????

or decent speech......

i hear hear liao

the TJS speech i dun feel anything good leh

 

[MrSinkie95]

lakeside mrt alot ppl tear pap card lol

 

[ussr_1991]

Hmmm I don't have a good impression of SingFirst but if they are as good as you say, then I hope they win Tanjong Pagar GRC instead of Jurong GRC. That's where Tan Jee Say and his ace team are contesting. Chan Chun Sing really CMI to be frank.

Back to topic, Tharman is the brains of our economic policies and govt's finance. We can't anyhow sacrifice such an important person. I don't think anyone can take over his role for now.

I think he's a pro-democracy person and open-minded to opposition views so he should remain in Parliament.

Hope to see Chee Soon Juan raise out his policies and debate with Tharman in Parliament. I'm sure the debates would turn out to be ideally constructive.



On a side note, the rest of the Jurong GRC MPs (if PAP wins) better perform. Am getting frustrated that all the "lowly" MPs keep diam diam in Parliament.

That's why. Anyway, a minister is usually get their raw data formulated by high ranking civil servants. This explains why PAP do get ex-civil servants (high ranking) to be their candidates.

Of course, for someone like Dr Chee, Prof Tambyah, Prof Daniel Goh & CSM ability to be a minister is better than LTK, CST, Lina and numerous others.


It won't be the end of the day if Tharman is voted out, but it will bring the doomsday if incompetent MP are elected.

If both are incompetent, like someone who cannot tell the diff between sinking fund & operating income / loss, then vote for someone with heart, who can protect citizens & Singapore's interest.

 

[slowpokie]

lakeside mrt alot ppl tear pap card lol

on a serious topic, may i know the rationale for it ?

 

[ussr_1991]

i spit on singfirst. PUI!

I am sure many people living in the west are with me.

make singfirst lose until tng kor

Tan Cheng Bock never teach u this way. He attends all rallies by diff party, including SDP & RP. Not sure about SingFirst and other smaller parties.

If u feel comfortable with PAP's policy, vote PAP lor.

Otherwise, u void lor.

 

[clementiboy]

Tan Cheng Bock never teach u this way. He attends all rallies by diff party, including SDP & RP. Not sure about SingFirst and other smaller parties.

If u feel comfortable with PAP's policy, vote PAP lor.

Otherwise, u void lor.

Why are you bringing TCB into this? Trying a cheap shot at Dr Tan ** again eh?

this feeling is from my heart, from someone with heart.
and i am sure i am not the only one.

and yes, i will vote for PAP later. to teach this party a lesson not to ever contest here again.

i voted for Reform party with pride last erection and i will gladly vote for any other opposition, including HHH.

Singfirst? Wake up your idea lah.
I respect the candidates, but not the leader.

 

[MrSinkie95]

on a serious topic, may i know the rationale for it ?

not sure. yesterday and today walk past Rubbish bin got a lot..

 

[slowpokie]

not sure. yesterday and today walk past Rubbish bin got a lot..

maybe is normal .........

also dunno y clementiboy so angry about TSJ, i dunnoe whats gg on for the PE la...... tt time din really follow, kinda wont make a big diff or impact to me..... so dunno the story, it much later that then i know TCB is probably a better 1, but also dunno y also..... at that point time i just now die die mai vote for XXXX....


any1 here their MP is the other 4 ?


mine area is tharman, know that hes good, but then also cant be bothered in terms of all those basic upgrading etc that should have been done/promised


dun really benefit me

 

[Neon92]

i just dont like anyone of them that voted for the toilet paper

 

[EggToast]

Tharman is taman jurong MP.. Even the name is same.. Sure win one

hahaha i thot that when i saw tharman = taman

 

[MrSinkie95]

maybe is normal .........

also dunno y clementiboy so angry about TSJ, i dunnoe whats gg on for the PE la...... tt time din really follow, kinda wont make a big diff or impact to me..... so dunno the story, it much later that then i know TCB is probably a better 1, but also dunno y also..... at that point time i just now die die mai vote for XXXX....


any1 here their MP is the other 4 ?


mine area is tharman, know that hes good, but then also cant be bothered in terms of all those basic upgrading etc that should have been done/promised


dun really benefit me

who is TSJ? from sing first?

 

[slowpokie]

who is TSJ? from sing first?

TAN see jay lor........


lolol in the first place chiu ky vote in jurong grc also ma ? hahahahaha

 

[MrSinkie95]

TAN see jay lor........


lolol in the first place chiu ky vote in jurong grc also ma ? hahahahaha

kannot no need vote liao la. pap sure win one. so far they have managed well + tharman

 

[ussr_1991]

maybe is normal .........

also dunno y clementiboy so angry about TSJ, i dunnoe whats gg on for the PE la...... tt time din really follow, kinda wont make a big diff or impact to me..... so dunno the story, it much later that then i know TCB is probably a better 1, but also dunno y also..... at that point time i just now die die mai vote for XXXX....


any1 here their MP is the other 4 ?


mine area is tharman, know that hes good, but then also cant be bothered in terms of all those basic upgrading etc that should have been done/promised


dun really benefit me

TLDR:

TCB is a better President candidate in terms of widely respected regardless of political inclination. This is why he get the most votes after KFC.


TJS is a better candidate to educate voters what we are voting for. Law Minister specifically came out and explain the can and can't after TJS joined in the fray.

Indirectly, TJS helped voters to understand why EP is a something for show and why scrapping of EP is one of the Workers Party's manifesto in 2011, Denise Phua aka the 'Lawrence u help me' MP also suggested to scrap EP in parliament before, and both CST & JBJ were in the TV debate against EP back in 1980s.


EP is actually nothing, since many of the roles are acted under advise of PM or its councils with Cabinet Ministers.

At least in the history is that one quarter of the total electorates finds TCB is just an elected version of Nathan, and fell short of Ong Teng Cheong's standards.

 

[Geeezz]

i think i shall add in some of my thoughts on this...tharman is indeed impt to both sg n the pap. he might be the core that is still holding the team together in a sense that he's good enough to debate with others without smearing his opp all the time.

that said, now, sg growth is due to cheap labour and low taxes. but there are limit to that growth. once it hits the limit, there must be a change in direction in order fr sg to grow which i strongly believe that the govt will shift its target towards local sme's which are seriously underperforming considering that we are a "first world" country. right now, sme is just feeding off cheap labours and have no or little intention to invest in quality labour to grow bigger. *this is just my assumption* that's why instead of depending on cheap labour, sg should walk into the direction of having quality or skilled workforce. in sg anyhow throw stone also cn hit a grad, so i dun think we are lacking in it.

thus imo, pap is clearly chose cheap labour while singfirst is chose "quality/ sgaporeans workforce"

who noes, maybe in the future pap might make a u turn when they realise it, or maybe what they are doin nw would end up to be the right one? tho, frm my pt of view, it isn't...sadly.

juz my 2 cents.

 

[Jeremy1]

kannot no need vote liao la. pap sure win one. so far they have managed well + tharman

Vote for Opps since PAP sure win one..........................

 

[ethan89]

That's why. Anyway, a minister is usually get their raw data formulated by high ranking civil servants. This explains why PAP do get ex-civil servants (high ranking) to be their candidates.

Of course, for someone like Dr Chee, Prof Tambyah, Prof Daniel Goh & CSM ability to be a minister is better than LTK, CST, Lina and numerous others.


It won't be the end of the day if Tharman is voted out, but it will bring the doomsday if incompetent MP are elected.

If both are incompetent, like someone who cannot tell the diff between sinking fund & operating income / loss, then vote for someone with heart, who can protect citizens & Singapore's interest.

True enough. Things can be done easier by reeling ex-civil servants to assist them in politics as well (which we all know that is not the primary reason).

In my humble opinion for this current GE, the opposition will require access to privileged information that is only communicated between PAP Ministers and govt organisations/agencies. They will need more experience and exposure as well.

GE 2015 is the time we begin with STRONGER checks and balance from the opposition parties. We must recognise that during 2011, the Workers Party have limited views (as well as energy) on various issues - especially on the AHPETC and FMSS saga which I think took quite a toll on them. But impressively, they are still able to get their act together.

Also, it will be great to acquire support from strong intellectuals like Chee Soon Juan, Paul Tambyah, Daniel Goh, etc. etc. Perhaps they need to mingle around for 4-5 years (or maybe 10), then they will be ready to govern.

As for Tharman, I wouldn't say he's perfect but I would say he's slightly myopic (but not arrogant like some) in his beliefs and policy implementation. Thus it's finally time for PAP to engage in policy debates in the Parliament especially with veteran Chee Soon Juan. Policies like the popular-discussed Progressive Wage Scheme VS Minimum Wage Scheme, housing policies, medical subsidies, defence budget, education, etc etc. should be debated for both PAP and SDP to recognise where the loopholes and flaws are. Therefore, neither PAP nor opposition will be producing myopic/impractical policies for our country.

I feel that we should see this GE in another perspective instead of the rather aggressive "kick PAP out" notion - The start of democracy for SG.