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If the government announced it to be a 5th uni, do you think it will have industry link in near future? Obviously those in the advisory board will be high management staff from different industry too.

one of my course advisory board is a fund manager :eek:
plus he is one of the independent directors under soilbuild.

got another lecturer with his own accounting firm.

got experience in higher management, doesn't mean know how to teach.
besides unisim is moving towards those interactive learning style such as classroom discussion which i feel doesn't really suit the learning requirement of part time students at least.
the more passionate lecturers will stick to the more conventional ways of teaching.
 
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if time is not an issue you should go for UNISM.

for my case, I have to go kaplan as the course I want is only with Kaplan.

kaplan is just a course provider, focus more on the University ur studying.
 

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"If the government announced it to be a 5th uni, do you think it will have industry link in near future? Obviously those in the advisory board will be high management staff from different industry too. " ==> It already had industry links before government's announcement of its "nth university" status. Stronger in future, perhaps. If these "high management" have a preference to employ graduates from anywhere but UniSIM, despite sitting on board, it is of no use.

"Of course a lot of people's objective is to complete as soon as possible. But shorter time frame means learn lesser stuff, everybody knows that too, including the employer." ==> While I agree with you, on my own courses taken, that shorter time frame means learning less, you have to bear in mind that it may not be true for other courses.

Further, while one might not agree with some exemption arrangements signed between academic institutions for one reason or another, exemptions, in general, accredits one who have prior learning in a certain subject so that he/she would not need to "re-learn" the same, or similar, materials. In a sense, he/she "learns" less than others in terms of number of years studied, or credits taken. But it fulfilled the body of knowledge in a field of study as deemed required by the individual university granting the exemptions. Hence, I don't think it could be viewed as being "learning less than" with respect to fulfilling the degree requirement, or in terms of knowledge deemed required in a degree of a certain field of study. For example, NUS offers exemption who had taken H3 subjects, or to local polytechnics diploma holders who have taken similar subjects in their diploma courses. These students who have gained exemptions would usually have less academic credits read in the university than the other students who have not obtained any exemption. But it does not mean these students who have gained exemption learn less than their counterparts since these students already learned similar, or same, stuffs before. Of course, it is debatable whether these exemptions should be given, or whether those courses gaining exemptions are granted at an appropriate level, but the universities granting the exemptions viewed it as such, that is, there is no less of in terms knowledge in the relevant field of studies.

During my studies, I did not claim exemptions for some practical reasons (e.g., not recognised by certain professional qualifications), while some of which I have, or could have, gained exemptions, I replaced the modules with other relevant modules. In this respect, I shared your view of learning more. However, I can't say the same of threadstarter or others. So I'll try not to impose my values on their choices as much as possible.

Cheers!
 
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However, many use the ranking to infer the quality of the degrees and the students, and this has been extended to infer D/L, off-shore, and external degrees. For me, whether the degree is internal, external, off-shore, or D/L, universities ranking is just for reference. Some of the aspects in the ranking may not be relevant to one at all.

do employers really use that to infer quality? extended to DL degree.. comparing DL vs DL? really? have U seen that? or U in hiring position or HR and its your practice?
 

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do employers really use that to infer quality? extended to DL degree.. comparing DL vs DL? really? have U seen that? or U in hiring position or HR and its your practice?

"For me, whether the degree is internal, external, off-shore, or D/L, universities ranking is just for reference. Some of the aspects in the ranking may not be relevant to one at all." ==> Probably the use of "many" set you to think that I am referring it as a widely seen phenomenon. My apologies. What I am referring to as many, are within those (employers/universities) who are willing to accept graduates, with external, off-shore, or D/L degrees, for a job or a graduate programme. And also, it is not a veto factor, but as one of the many considerations.

But well, there are those (companies/universities) who would shelf D/L, off-shore, or external degrees altogether, and there are those who don't really care as long as it's an accredited degree awarded by respective country.
 

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"For me, whether the degree is internal, external, off-shore, or D/L, universities ranking is just for reference. Some of the aspects in the ranking may not be relevant to one at all." ==> Probably the use of "many" set you to think that I am referring it as a widely seen phenomenon. My apologies. What I am referring to as many, are within those (employers/universities) who are willing to accept graduates, with external, off-shore, or D/L degrees, for a job or a graduate programme. And also, it is not a veto factor, but as one of the many considerations.

But well, there are those (companies/universities) who would shelf D/L, off-shore, or external degrees altogether, and there are those who don't really care as long as it's an accredited degree awarded by respective country.

what's a widely seen phenomenon? Dl grades getting job or phenomenon using ranking as a reference?

whats one of the consideration? ranking of Uni or a piece of paper?

which degree offered here is unaccredited with regards to last pt?
 

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Hmmm this is getting confusing. Firstly, I doubt I'll pursue masters and I'd probably stop after getting a degree. With this in mind, should I end off my last phase of studies with a UCD degree through Kaplan or a degree awarded by Uni SIM?

Initially I was all ready to sign up with UCD through Kaplan until I met a friend who’s currently working as a ITE lecturer. I was told by him to pursue my degree with Uni SIM reason being; he went for an interview to teach in ITE last year and there was another man (currently his colleague) who went for the interview as well. This friend of mine who’s holding on to a Uni SIM’s degree and his colleague with an overseas uni degree through Kaplan actually told me that his starting salary and rank was higher than the other man although they joined the school at the same time. Hence he told me to opt for Uni SIM if I were to work long term here in sg.

I've checked the modules offered by these 2 schools and the amount of modules offered are of huge differences (I'm looking at a major in marketing fyi)

Feel free to take a look at these 2 links below:

uc.unisim.edu.sg/majorMinor.html#marketing

kaplan.com.sg/course/full-time-courses/bachelor/business-and-management/bachelor-of-science-honours-in-marketing-224

Judging from the amount of modules, I’d say Uni SIM makes a better choice since it covers more content? Correct me if I’m wrong.

In addition, time and budget doesn't really affect me. All I’m looking at is a degree worth taking. I wouldn't wanna pay 30k to get myself a degree which is of not much use. Also, I’m considering to enter the government sector upon completing my degree and I was told that the local government would recognize Uni SIM's degree since its a local u after all?

Once again thanks guys for all the opinions given here. Cheers* :D
 
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Hmmm this is getting confusing. Firstly, I doubt I'll pursue masters and I'd probably stop after getting a degree. With this in mind, should I end off my last phase of studies with a UCD degree through Kaplan or a degree awarded by Uni SIM?

Initially I was all ready to sign up with UCD through Kaplan until I met a friend who’s currently working as a ITE lecturer. I was told by him to pursue my degree with Uni SIM reason being; he went for an interview to teach in ITE last year and there was another man (currently his colleague) who went for the interview as well. This friend of mine who’s holding on to a Uni SIM’s degree and his colleague with an overseas uni degree through Kaplan actually told me that his starting salary and rank was higher than the other man although they joined the school at the same time. Hence he told me to opt for Uni SIM if I were to work long term here in sg.

I've checked the modules offered by these 2 schools and the amount of modules offered are of huge differences (I'm looking at a major in marketing fyi)

Feel free to take a look at these 2 links below:

uc.unisim.edu.sg/majorMinor.html#marketing

kaplan.com.sg/course/full-time-courses/bachelor/business-and-management/bachelor-of-science-honours-in-marketing-224

Judging from the amount of modules, I’d say Uni SIM makes a better choice since it covers more content? Correct me if I’m wrong.

In addition, time and budget doesn't really affect me. All I’m looking at is a degree worth taking. I wouldn't wanna pay 30k to get myself a degree which is of not much use. Also, I’m considering to enter the government sector upon completing my degree and I was told that the local government would recognize Uni SIM's degree since its a local u after all?

Once again thanks guys for all the opinions given here. Cheers* :D

I'm surprised nobody asked you this question. What is you prior qualification? A diploma from kaplan? I can almost say with certainty that you will never get into their full/part-time programme with anything less than a diploma from the 5 polytechnics.

Have you actually called to check with UniSIM the criteria for their programmes?
 

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I'm surprised nobody asked you this question. What is you prior qualification? A diploma from kaplan? I can almost say with certainty that you will never get into their full/part-time programme with anything less than a diploma from the 5 polytechnics.

Have you actually called to check with UniSIM the criteria for their programmes?


Yeah, I'm currently holding onto a diploma from kaplan as mentioned in my previous post.

I'm unable to enter SIM Global as I do not have any local poly diploma/ A level. I've called up Uni SIM and I was told that there's a chance for Uni SIM unlike SIM Global which is a direct rejection. I'll have to go through test & interview to determine if I'm able to get in there. I was also asked to go down for their open house next month to check out further info so yeah I'm gonna do that.
And if let's say I'm unable to enter Uni SIM, then probably I'll just go ahead with kaplan :)
 

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Initially I was all ready to sign up with UCD through Kaplan until I met a friend who’s currently working as a ITE lecturer. I was told by him to pursue my degree with Uni SIM reason being; he went for an interview to teach in ITE last year and there was another man (currently his colleague) who went for the interview as well. This friend of mine who’s holding on to a Uni SIM’s degree and his colleague with an overseas uni degree through Kaplan actually told me that his starting salary and rank was higher than the other man although they joined the school at the same time. Hence he told me to opt for Uni SIM if I were to work long term here in sg.
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In addition, time and budget doesn't really affect me. All I’m looking at is a degree worth taking. I wouldn't wanna pay 30k to get myself a degree which is of not much use. Also, I’m considering to enter the government sector upon completing my degree and I was told that the local government would recognize Uni SIM's degree since its a local u after all?

ITE is a stat board so those DL degrees will not be recognised. Or they might recognise it but the pay or rank will be lower than the local uni grads.

Many people don't think the way like u do. Most of them just want a degree for the sake of it because other people are talking up degree too so they choose the course with shortest time frame. In the end when they didn't get the pay they expecting, they will blame government and everything.

If u are planning to join government sector, although I'm not studying there I will suggest take up uni sim.
 
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Yeah, I'm currently holding onto a diploma from kaplan as mentioned in my previous post.

I'm unable to enter SIM Global as I do not have any local poly diploma/ A level. I've called up Uni SIM and I was told that there's a chance for Uni SIM unlike SIM Global which is a direct rejection. I'll have to go through test & interview to determine if I'm able to get in there. I was also asked to go down for their open house next month to check out further info so yeah I'm gonna do that.
And if let's say I'm unable to enter Uni SIM, then probably I'll just go ahead with kaplan :)

I am not trying to burst your bubble but places at UniSIM are very competitive now. I heard that for their part-time business programmes, the GPA cut-off point for Jan semester is around 3.2

If you manage to get into their programme, do post here and share with us.
 

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I'm unable to enter SIM Global as I do not have any local poly diploma/ A level. I've called up Uni SIM and I was told that there's a chance for Uni SIM unlike SIM Global which is a direct rejection. I'll have to go through test & interview to determine if I'm able to get in there. I was also asked to go down for their open house next month to check out further info so yeah I'm gonna do that.
And if let's say I'm unable to enter Uni SIM, then probably I'll just go ahead with kaplan :)

Not to be a downer but back when Unisim started with the subsidies, they were pretty much started rejecting all private diplomas. I'm not sure if it that has changed.

If you're looking to start in Jan 15, I would advice you to check up on it now and apply as soon as you can. It's just my personal feeling, but it seems the earlier you apply the easier it is to get in.
 
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"Of course a lot of people's objective is to complete as soon as possible. But shorter time frame means learn lesser stuff, everybody knows that too, including the employer." ==> While I agree with you, on my own courses taken, that shorter time frame means learning less, you have to bear in mind that it may not be true for other courses.

Further, while one might not agree with some exemption arrangements signed between academic institutions for one reason or another, exemptions, in general, accredits one who have prior learning in a certain subject so that he/she would not need to "re-learn" the same, or similar, materials. In a sense, he/she "learns" less than others in terms of number of years studied, or credits taken. But it fulfilled the body of knowledge in a field of study as deemed required by the individual university granting the exemptions. Hence, I don't think it could be viewed as being "learning less than" with respect to fulfilling the degree requirement, or in terms of knowledge deemed required in a degree of a certain field of study. For example, NUS offers exemption who had taken H3 subjects, or to local polytechnics diploma holders who have taken similar subjects in their diploma courses. These students who have gained exemptions would usually have less academic credits read in the university than the other students who have not obtained any exemption. But it does not mean these students who have gained exemption learn less than their counterparts since these students already learned similar, or same, stuffs before.

You cant really compare the exemptions given out by NUS/NTU with those from the PEIs here. Even if you got the maximum amount of exemptions from NUS/NTU, it still would not even amount to 1 year off. Even NTU, which has direct year 2 admissions for poly students, still requires those poly students to overload and take up some of the modules missed in year 1. So the exemptions never amount to a year off.

Whereas some private institutes give exemptions very liberally. To the point that the degree duration is halved or even shortened more than that.

In my opinion, they do learn less with that much exemptions. The exemptions are just used to attract more students to enroll. DL programs are purely profit-oriented. Their sole primary purpose is to make profits for the main campus back home. As such, they would do anything to attract more customers.
 

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I am not trying to burst your bubble but places at UniSIM are very competitive now. I heard that for their part-time business programmes, the GPA cut-off point for Jan semester is around 3.2

If you manage to get into their programme, do post here and share with us.

Yeah I understand where you're coming from. I didn't thought of entering Uni SIM at all because I doubt I'll be given a placing. But still I wanted to give it a try so after calling them up, they said its on case by case basis.

Uni SIM will only open their registration next year and school will commence every august just like all the local u. Will share here if I'm lucky enough to be accepted :)

===> bitbotbit I can only start registering next year as it is too late for this year's intake.
 

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You cant really compare the exemptions given out by NUS/NTU with those from the PEIs here. Even if you got the maximum amount of exemptions from NUS/NTU, it still would not even amount to 1 year off. Even NTU, which has direct year 2 admissions for poly students, still requires those poly students to overload and take up some of the modules missed in year 1. So the exemptions never amount to a year off.

Whereas some private institutes give exemptions very liberally. To the point that the degree duration is halved or even shortened more than that.

In my opinion, they do learn less with that much exemptions. The exemptions are just used to attract more students to enroll. DL programs are purely profit-oriented. Their sole primary purpose is to make profits for the main campus back home. As such, they would do anything to attract more customers.

I did not object to your views.

"Further, while one might not agree with some exemption arrangements signed between academic institutions for one reason or another, exemptions, in general, accredits one who have prior learning in a certain subject so that he/she would not need to "re-learn" the same, or similar, materials. In a sense, he/she "learns" less than others in terms of number of years studied, or credits taken. But it fulfilled the body of knowledge in a field of study as deemed required by the individual university granting the exemptions. Hence, I don't think it could be viewed as being "learning less than" with respect to fulfilling the degree requirement, or in terms of knowledge deemed required in a degree of a certain field of study. "

That is to say, even diploma holders who went overseas for studies, internally, and have gained 1.5yrs of exemption should by right not be viewed as learning less with respect to fulfilling the degree requirement, or in terms of knowledge deemed required in a degree of a certain field of study, as deemed required by individual university granting the exemptions.

But of course, as you mentioned, it is less in the way you measure it. For me, it is less, too, even if what I have learned in the past is identical and at the same level of rigour. The exemption could be replaced with another course to satisfy the full modules required. But, that's only my view.
 

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"Firstly, I doubt I'll pursue masters and I'd probably stop after getting a degree. With this in mind, should I end off my last phase of studies with a UCD degree through Kaplan or a degree awarded by Uni SIM?"
==> What is your objectives - long-term, short-term? Maybe end up you would shelf this idea for a period of time and reconsider it after some self-evaluation, I don't know.

"Initially I was all ready to sign up with UCD through Kaplan until I met a friend who’s currently working as a ITE lecturer. I was told by him to pursue my degree with Uni SIM reason being; he went for an interview to teach in ITE last year and there was another man (currently his colleague) who went for the interview as well. This friend of mine who’s holding on to a Uni SIM’s degree and his colleague with an overseas uni degree through Kaplan actually told me that his starting salary and rank was higher than the other man although they joined the school at the same time. Hence he told me to opt for Uni SIM if I were to work long term here in sg."
==> He does has a good point but to add a point for your consideration,

A started 3 or 4 years ago, spending around 13k-17k amount of money.
B started 1.5 years ago, spending around $23000 amount of money.

Both went for the same interview in 2014.
A ranked and paid higher.
B ranked and paid lower.

Make a comparison and you might come up with a decision with respect to the constraints above. Results may differ if other factors such as prospects, recognition etc, comes along. Just one of the simple methods for you to make comparison in this case. If you feel that there are much unknowns to make an informed decision, find out. For example, you may think that UniSIM graduates may have a better progression path than UCD graduates in the areas you want to work in, then go find out more from the people there.

By the way, I don't think UniSIM offers direct Honours for marketing. So, the amount I have put in is 13k-17k, and it's a very rough approximation. You may or may not be offered the Honours year. But do make provision for the fund.

"I've checked the modules offered by these 2 schools and the amount of modules offered are of huge differences (I'm looking at a major in marketing fyi)"
==> Did you find out more on the subject area of marketing and the syllabuses content offered. Different schools sometimes have different objectives when they design a programme or module. A cursory look at the modules, it seems that UniSIM modules are geared more on marketing as a whole, while UCD seems to be geared towards business and management. It doesn't seem that UCD is having any modules that is on marketing research or design. However, sometimes, one can't tell much about the difference by just looking at the names. I would go and look at the study guides, assignments, and exam papers.

"Judging from the amount of modules, I’d say Uni SIM makes a better choice since it covers more content? Correct me if I’m wrong."
==> You may be right.

"In addition, time and budget doesn't really affect me. All I’m looking at is a degree worth taking. I wouldn't wanna pay 30k to get myself a degree which is of not much use."
==> You probably have to decide for yourself, after gathering all the information, what is a degree worth taking to you.

"Also, I’m considering to enter the government sector upon completing my degree and I was told that the local government would recognize Uni SIM's degree since its a local u after all?"
==> There were some issues with UniSIM degrees in the past from MOE. Some UniSIM graduates were not upgraded. Reason cited was something like, the degrees were not relevant to the job those graduates were holding. I don't know whether it has been resolved. Probably it has been resolved, or it will be resolved, following the goverment's announcement. By the way, I don't advise taking official replies at its face value. You could probably find out from the people working within.

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I agree with rollbread that "... Most of them just want a degree for the sake of it because other people are talking up degree too so they choose the course with shortest time frame. In the end when they didn't get the pay they expecting, they will blame government and everything."

My plan was something like Mighty_Orange, "for my case, I have to go kaplan as the course I want is only with Kaplan." Just that the institutions I went to are different.
 

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Hi, sorry for hijacking this thread (and asking stupid qns?), but SIM diploma can enter UniSIM? If so, since UniSIM is considered as a local uni, why isn't the dip accepted (or has it changed by now?) by the other local Unis?
 

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Hi, sorry for hijacking this thread (and asking stupid qns?), but SIM diploma can enter UniSIM? If so, since UniSIM is considered as a local uni, why isn't the dip accepted (or has it changed by now?) by the other local Unis?


All along other local unis only accept local poly diploma, only recently UniSim then join in. Anyway, other local uni take in student base on results of diploma and O level, so even if they accept sim diploma, those from local poly surely will have better results compared to those with sim diploma.

The number of applicants from local poly already so high, doubt they will add in diploma from sim considering most of the slots are still given to those JC students. Even if they let them apply, in the end might still accept those from local poly.
 

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All along other local unis only accept local poly diploma, only recently UniSim then join in. Anyway, other local uni take in student base on results of diploma and O level, so even if they accept sim diploma, those from local poly surely will have better results compared to those with sim diploma.

The number of applicants from local poly already so high, doubt they will add in diploma from sim considering most of the slots are still given to those JC students. Even if they let them apply, in the end might still accept those from local poly.

But do/will they let UniSim diploma students apply? My O lvls were not bad, but I totally flunked my A levels :( I just grad so it's kinda too late for this year's application... wonder if I should wait for next year or just continue with UOL.

And for some reason only UniSim (not mdis or kaplan etc) is listed as local (but private) uni on the moe page Ministry of Education, Singapore: Education System, Post-Secondary so logically qualifications accredited by UniSim should be equivalent to Uni entry requirements, I think?
 

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But do/will they let UniSim diploma students apply? My O lvls were not bad, but I totally flunked my A levels :( I just grad so it's kinda too late for this year's application... wonder if I should wait for next year or just continue with UOL.

i never heard of unisim dip...sim dip only.
for those who are already on sim dip, isn't it cheaper to just continue on the GE route ?

since 2006, unisim only accept local dip other forms of dip are considered as private dip.
 
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