learning japanese

[Adventia]

Should be 金井美奈子　(Kanai Minako) sensei. She is one of those teaching JLPT 2 prep course.

Yupz thats her...

 

[Adventia]

JCS has it also...

I agree paper don mean everything....

but singapore is somehow a paper country...
i used 2 learn jap and my friends now all holding papers up to JLPT 1 / BJT...

thats why in 2007, after a long nite chat.... i started my paper chase... in Japanese...

a cert is 2 show and proof like u are there or somewhere there...

Yes,thats what most people would think.
But,where would cert land you?A job,the answer is no.
Cert will only land you in front of the interview tables with your future colleges and bosses.
Its during the interview where your conversational and etc factors will be put to the test that will give you the job.
You think you have the cert its good?How many others have the cert also?

So,if you have the cert and not the proficiency,you will crumble eventually.

 

[Adventia]

That's the main problem.

I have actually wanted to join JLPT 2 course as well, but because of the stress & difficulty.

I am not that afraid of the kanji as I believe I can handle them well.

It is the grammar & vocabulary part that makes me think twice.

Try,there is no harm trying...
At least take a term first.
Grammar and vocabulary maybe hard,there maybe a lot,but you can always learn it bit by bit at your own pace.You still have about a year to cover the syllables.It can be done.
Dont fear about cannot,fear about will not.

 

[Adventia]

but sometimes it is not fair to see how ppl talk... like eg, my friend in poly... sad case is he is very smart and went for his A level but got drop out not coz of his work etc... but the way he talk...
why?
i dont know wat it is called.

his way of talking is like this

a ...ap...apple...

lol
something like that... dont know wat's it is called.

Its called stuttering or stammering.
That points to what i mentioned earlier,speech abilities can outweighs importance of cert.

 

[dimitri_can]

Yes,thats what most people would think.
But,where would cert land you?A job,the answer is no.
Cert will only land you in front of the interview tables with your future colleges and bosses.
Its during the interview where your conversational and etc factors will be put to the test that will give you the job.
You think you have the cert its good?How many others have the cert also?

So,if you have the cert and not the proficiency,you will crumble eventually.

Agreed. So many people out there have the cert... What a lot of employers are looking for is honesty, down to earth type of person.

 

[Ah_keong]

I'm neither a student at bunka nor jcs but I heard that you don't get to speak to the teachers in jcs much... so perhaps bunka will be better? But even after taking pre-advance in ikoma, I feel that it's not enough though it's an extra level for conversational practises. I think what's most important is taking what you've learnt in schools and having someone to practise with you.

Just my opinion though.

yup, i only manage 2 chat with the teachers after class...
they like kind of overworked...

i agree with u, the route 2 perfection is practise!

 

[Ah_keong]

I'm neither a student at bunka nor jcs but I heard that you don't get to speak to the teachers in jcs much... so perhaps bunka will be better? But even after taking pre-advance in ikoma, I feel that it's not enough though it's an extra level for conversational practises. I think what's most important is taking what you've learnt in schools and having someone to practise with you.

Just my opinion though.

yup, i only manage 2 chat with the teachers after class...
they like kind of overworked...

i agree with u, the route 2 perfection is practise and more practise!

 

[unfinished07]

Let me clarify on this.

A lot of students quit, from what i know... mainly not because of the teacher... but mainly becoz of the difficulty in the grammer and the "stress" given (4 pages of Kanji per week). Some quitted cos they have gotten about 1/2 of the grammer notes after 1 semester and it was not "cost-effective" for them to continue. And other reasons as well.

I personally like the teacher a lot cos she trains us to read fast, speak fast and practise a lot. Having 8 years of experience (i heard), she's definitely no pushover.

I would strongly recommend people taking JLPT 2 prep to have a strong sense of determination and be determined not to give up. I felt like giving up after the 1st term, but i did perserve.

Be prepared and not be afraid to ask the teacher questions. =)

yes, she has around 8 years of experience in teaching japanese. she's been in SG for almost 10 years liao.
and she's good if u wanna train your listening, coz when i was in ikoma, she's the fastest speaker among all the teachers, and with standard pronounciation. even the japanese say so

 

[unfinished07]

JCS has it also...

I agree paper don mean everything....

but singapore is somehow a paper country...
i used 2 learn jap and my friends now all holding papers up to JLPT 1 / BJT...

thats why in 2007, after a long nite chat.... i started my paper chase... in Japanese...

a cert is 2 show and proof like u are there or somewhere there...

yes, paper don't mean everything.
but with paper, u can get many things.
its the ugly truth

 

[Adventia]

yes, paper don't mean everything.
but with paper, u can get many things.
its the ugly truth

And when people thinks paper is everything,they will also face another horror of reality.
paper is important,but definitely not the only one.

 

[Ah_keong]

ya... sillypore u must have a piece of toilet paper
or else u r no where.

well, thats life...

 

[Ah_keong]

Yes,thats what most people would think.
But,where would cert land you?A job,the answer is no.
Cert will only land you in front of the interview tables with your future colleges and bosses.
Its during the interview where your conversational and etc factors will be put to the test that will give you the job.
You think you have the cert its good?How many others have the cert also?

So,if you have the cert and not the proficiency,you will crumble eventually.

yah yah, agree agree...
must work hard 2 be like all of u ppl here such as terraj and dimitri...

 

[Ah_keong]

Agreed. So many people out there have the cert... What a lot of employers are looking for is honesty, down to earth type of person.

wah... then must train hard on conversation man....
help help!!!

 

[Ah_keong]

yes, paper don't mean everything.
but with paper, u can get many things.
its the ugly truth

yah yah!!! this is the point i wanted to convey...
the ugly truth...

 

[heguhegu]

same case with money

i believe money can buy language

if i have lots of money, i would go to japan and further my japanese studies. i would have the money to engage private tutors too. that is, the passion for learning is already present

 

[barrin]

Got a question. Hope someone can help me. May i know what is the meaning of 置いといてください?

Does it come from 置きます、Like 置いてくださいmeans 'please put'.

 

[ahmahippo]

money is everything... even it cant buy love or health but it can buy short happiness like travel overseas once a mth or so... like my uncle won 1.5 millions travel 20+ times a yr.... if i won, i confirm throw money on my manager face and treat them like DOG.

 

[iolanthe]

Got a question. Hope someone can help me. May i know what is the meaning of 置いといてください?

Does it come from 置きます、Like 置いてくださいmeans 'please put'.

It means keeping it as it is.
Eg. そこに置いといてください。(Please leave it there.)

It's actually like a shorter version of 置いておいてください. They combine "て" and "お" such that it becomes "と", and is thus easier to pronounce. It's perfectly fine to say the longer version. Just that in daily conversations, 〜ておきます is often shorten to 〜ときます.

As for your 2nd question, 置いてください is just an action (Please put it at xxx), whereby it does not have a timeframe which it needs to be completed by. But by adding V て-form おきます, you are adding a time when it needs to be done.

Erm... correct me if I'm not explaining it correctly. ^^; Explaining it is harder than understanding and knowing how to use it.

 

[Niaoson]

no relationship with timeframe at all. 置いといてください simply means EITHER leave it there i.e. don't go and move it elsewhere already OR leave it there in preparation for something else like maybe someone else may be using it later and etc.

on the other hand 置いてください means put there.

i won't say ur explanation is incorrect just that the part about "But by adding V て-form おきます, you are adding a time when it needs to be done" is not true

 

[barrin]

Thanks everyone for replying to my question. I only learnt VてForm おきます and didn't know about this. Thank you everyone once again.