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dimitri_can

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Just an update on the books.

All my JLPT 1 books all got taken away le. =)

My friend just came my house and suck all away. LOL

Too many books in my house, i also sianz...

For those who have emailed me, i will call you guys tomorrow around 12pm-1pm.

Please look out for my call. Thanks
 
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eh.. if take jlpt 3 this year.. next year gonna continue with what level?? -.-''
 

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should be the n3 i guess, the level in between current jlpt2 and jlpt3 to minimize the level jump
 

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あった日、きのにいった。そのとき、あった女性と男性は話しています。

女性:「3級もう合格しました。来年はどうするかなあ」
男性:「次はn2だよ」
女性:「n2?何だそれ?」
男性:「n2は3級の後だよ」
女性:「何でn2があるの」
男性:「まあ、1級と2級の距離は多すぎ、だから、n2があります」

みんな、どう思いますか?
 
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Need some advice here... I went to Ikoma for placement test... they said that if I want to take JLPT3 by end of this year, then I will need to start the lesson with them this week.. the twice a week one... I work in a Jap company.. and I usually will try to get my colleagues to "teach" me 1 or 2 new words every few days... then I realised that even if I go for the lessons, I will not really understand what the Japs say.. cos they always talk in short form... so still advisable to go for the lessons? Apparently, I will learn formal Japanese at the school...
 

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@dimitri_can : according to JEES website, the revision will be

n1: approximately same passing level as current jlpt1
n2: approximately same passing level as current jlpt2
n3: positioned at a level bridging level 2 and level 3
n4: approximately same passing level as current jlpt3
n5: approximately same passing level as current jlpt4

ですから、女性は間違ったと思います。そして、どうしてあったを使うんですか、いったではありませんか。

@bumblebee : which level did the placement test put you at? if they put you in basic 2 then you will also be covering some short form aka plain form the -ru, -ta, -nai verbs etc. so you will also be able to understand them. anyway the difference between the plain form and the polite form of jap is only the verb form and some occasional sentence structures due to the dropping of particles or emphasis on certain subjects. otherwise the grammar pattern is still the same. correct me if i'm wrong
 
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@bumblebee : which level did the placement test put you at? if they put you in basic 2 then you will also be covering some short form aka plain form the -ru, -ta, -nai verbs etc. so you will also be able to understand them. anyway the difference between the plain form and the polite form of jap is only the verb form and some occasional sentence structures. otherwise the grammar pattern is still the same. correct me if i'm wrong

Placed me at Basic 1 (Half of Term 2)... which means 5 lessons left... I think I will just go and try... see if I am comfortable with the lessons... cos up till now, the words that I learn are mainly 1-word... 2-words... from my Jap colleagues... as for the different forms and particles.. I am totally lost... hahaha.
 

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it would be good to start off there, teach you some basic grammar structure and verb forms and particles that make up the language first. then slowly build upon that foundation. if you are in for more intensive stuff then you can also try to take double classes near the 4th quarter of the year where classes orientated for jlpt3 and 4 exams are conducted or if your classes have stopped by then which should have by then, this classes will be able to supplement your knowledge for the exam. do take note that ikoma doesn't have a habit of finishing up the textbook cause all their levels will supplement whatever they did not finish in the previous level eg. intermediate lessons will include some basic stuff that was left out. prep course will revise alot of grammar and teach some new ones but its exam oriented so don't expect any conversational practice, it will be just listening and grammar/vocab components.
 
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Need some advice here... I went to Ikoma for placement test... they said that if I want to take JLPT3 by end of this year, then I will need to start the lesson with them this week.. the twice a week one... I work in a Jap company.. and I usually will try to get my colleagues to "teach" me 1 or 2 new words every few days... then I realised that even if I go for the lessons, I will not really understand what the Japs say.. cos they always talk in short form... so still advisable to go for the lessons? Apparently, I will learn formal Japanese at the school...

It's always good to learn formal Japanese. In a normal Japanese company, when you speak to your customers, if you use formal Japanese or ultra polite Japanese (尊敬語/sonkeigo), they would think that you learn formal Japanese. =)

My advice, don't rush to things, even if you pass, no use if you can't speak well.

I always tell my juniors, if you possess a JLPT 2 or 3 or 4 cert, make sure you are able to speak up to that level. Don't possess that cert without being able to speak up to that level. People would think otherwise of you. =)

Like me, i have a JLPT 2, but i won't dare to say i am able to speak at JLPT 2 standard. However, the good thing is my colleagues from Japan are speaking to me every day to help me practise my Japanese. And i am really grateful cos they teach me 尊敬語 as well. =)
 

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It's always good to learn formal Japanese. In a normal Japanese company, when you speak to your customers, if you use formal Japanese or ultra polite Japanese (尊敬語/sonkeigo), they would think that you learn formal Japanese. =)

My advice, don't rush to things, even if you pass, no use if you can't speak well.

I always tell my juniors, if you possess a JLPT 2 or 3 or 4 cert, make sure you are able to speak up to that level. Don't possess that cert without being able to speak up to that level. People would think otherwise of you. =)

Like me, i have a JLPT 2, but i won't dare to say i am able to speak at JLPT 2 standard. However, the good thing is my colleagues from Japan are speaking to me every day to help me practise my Japanese. And i am really grateful cos they teach me 尊敬語 as well. =)

Thanks for your advice, dimitri_can... I just want to try and see how far I can go in the Japanese language... my Jap colleagues also teach me sometimes... usually just words but not sentences... cos I take a long time to get the long sentences into my head.... haha...
 

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It's always good to learn formal Japanese. In a normal Japanese company, when you speak to your customers, if you use formal Japanese or ultra polite Japanese (尊敬語/sonkeigo), they would think that you learn formal Japanese. =)

My advice, don't rush to things, even if you pass, no use if you can't speak well.

I always tell my juniors, if you possess a JLPT 2 or 3 or 4 cert, make sure you are able to speak up to that level. Don't possess that cert without being able to speak up to that level. People would think otherwise of you. =)

Like me, i have a JLPT 2, but i won't dare to say i am able to speak at JLPT 2 standard. However, the good thing is my colleagues from Japan are speaking to me every day to help me practise my Japanese. And i am really grateful cos they teach me 尊敬語 as well. =)

So what do u suggest for ppl who is currently studying part time japanese once a wk de like me do ?...as i reali want to write and speak well when i into learning a new language... i currently studying ikoma basic:)
 

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So what do u suggest for ppl who is currently studying part time japanese once a wk de like me do ?...as i reali want to write and speak well when i into learning a new language... i currently studying ikoma basic:)
When i judge myself, i think i am able to speak Japanese at maybe a slower speed than an average speed of a native. I won't dare to say i am fluent, but at least i am able to understand "somewhat" when i visit Japan.

Talking about the part that a learner can REALISE himself/herself that he/she used the wrong expression, sometimes i find i can do that. That's was after i went to Japan for 2 weeks on a business trip and came back.

If you become very sensitive to Japanese, you would find that sometimes when a person makes a little small mistake even on the particle, you are able to spot it, i think that's already very good.

For me, another thing i wanna point out is are you able to think out of the box?

We always learn in normal Japanese classes,

e.g
わたしはごはんをたべます (I eat rice)

but when we are out of the classroom, are we able to say things like

"I did not eat tomato, i only ate rice"?

What i am trying to say is, in class, teachers can only teach you that much, if you cannot think out of the box and fear of creating sentences yourselves, your japanese will never be able to improve. You cannot think how to create sentences like "I did not eat tomato, i only ate rice", cause it's not in the textbook..

One way i can recommend how you can think out of the box, listen to songs and look at their lyrics. =)
 

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just wondering why japanese dont have assessment for us to do just like english? coz i might go for self learning soon :(
 

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thks dimitri_can...i sometimes will trouble my sensei with sentences that I come up wif...still quite badly done perhaps due to i still attending basic jap:)
 

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just wondering why japanese dont have assessment for us to do just like english? coz i might go for self learning soon :(
got larh... there are couple of books available.. tho i dunoe how useful are them.. hurhur

so busy with school nowadays that i tend to forget what i've learnt some couple lessons ago. totally no memories -.-' sads.
 

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it would be good to start off there, teach you some basic grammar structure and verb forms and particles that make up the language first. then slowly build upon that foundation. if you are in for more intensive stuff then you can also try to take double classes near the 4th quarter of the year where classes orientated for jlpt3 and 4 exams are conducted or if your classes have stopped by then which should have by then, this classes will be able to supplement your knowledge for the exam. do take note that ikoma doesn't have a habit of finishing up the textbook cause all their levels will supplement whatever they did not finish in the previous level eg. intermediate lessons will include some basic stuff that was left out. prep course will revise alot of grammar and teach some new ones but its exam oriented so don't expect any conversational practice, it will be just listening and grammar/vocab components.

Hw long is the duration for the double classes u mention above?...and also to all ppl studying ikoma...does studying 3hrs weekly in part time class losing out much to those who study twice a week or even full time class in terms of conversation and knowing new words etc.
 

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got larh... there are couple of books available.. tho i dunoe how useful are them.. hurhur

so busy with school nowadays that i tend to forget what i've learnt some couple lessons ago. totally no memories -.-' sads.

oh thx... i wonder what books are they so that I could try to get some for self learning :(
reason is that my part time poly going to start soon which I worry it will somehow meet the same timing as my current jap lessons .... if really so, i dont know how and what should i do...

but are really importance to me.
 
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