learning japanese

[Ah_keong]

started my e2 lesson at bunka yesterday
learning katagana and past tense

hows BUNKA? fun??

 

[azumangadaioh]

haha... it's the 1st one...

Why do you have to use bold for my name? -__-"

Am taking my level 1 this year. I am asking you whether you encounter problems studying the forms when you were at Bunka.

btw, [is it troublesome to ask me] is not = 「 困らせますか」

Actually I use bold for everybody's name if I quote a someone else that is not inside the quoted box, I use a netbook that has a small screen size so using bold is easier for me to see...

To answer your question, I have no problems with the forms... still okay...

 

[azumangadaioh]

Hi, I hope someone can help me see if my summary is correct as I'm kinda confused. Thanks in advance!

What is the literal translation compared to actual meaning?
What's the degree of certainty/uncertainty?

1. あめがふるようです。It seems like rain./It seems that it will rain./It appears to be raining. (based on info seen, heard, read)
   
2. あめがふりそうです。It looks like rain./It looks like it will rain. (based on own observation)
   
3. あめがふるそうです。I hear that it'll rain./I heard that it will rain. (based on info seen, heard, read-source may be unreliable)
   
4. あめがふるらしいです。I hear that it'll rain./I heard that it will rain. (based on info seen, heard, read-source is deemed reliable by speaker)

1. The story goes like this... I am in my room sleeping, the windows were closed and the curtains drawn. I hear some thunder, windows at neighbours' place were slammed loudly maybe because of the strong wind, I think maybe it's going to rain or something.

2. Meanwhile, my friend calls me to say we are not meeting later because of possible bad weather, seems we cannot go jogging as it's raining later. Alright, I think she just want to stay home because she just came back from shopping...

3. By now, my eyes are wide open, still lying on the bed, I grabbed the remote nearby and switched on the tv, the weather forecast says there will be bad weather, raining islandwide plus thunder and all that. Okay, so now I just stay home and play some computer games.

4. I get out of bed to brush my teeth, and as I look out the window, I see lightning in the distance, the ground outside is all wet, and the wind is blowing the rain through the window. Now it is raining...

Well, which one do you think is suitable for each [ 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 ] of the paragraphs above using ふるよう / ふりそう / ふるそう / ふるらしい ?

 

[dimitri_can]

This seems to be a better explaination. From my no 1 book in my library.

Meaning to say, 「らしい」is more like what you see, 「そう」 is more like what you feel...

# あめがふりそうです。It looks like rain./It looks like it will rain. (based on own observation)
# あめがふるそうです。I hear that it'll rain./I heard that it will rain. (based on info seen, heard, read-source may be unreliable)

->Correct.

 

[ilovepiano]

Just wanna say thanks for taking the time with all the prompts, scans and links. Looking through the posts later tonight when I have the time.

 

[noelnoel]

noel, so how's the class?

this class pretty more active than my last class
the sensei also quite a joker

 

[dimitri_can]

how about grammar wise and everything?

 

[noelnoel]

throughout the class he would question every students a few times
based on what everything we learnt during E1 like the six forms, adjectives etc.
as a form of revision ba..
then we started learning past tense and katagana

 

[azumangadaioh]

This seems to be a better explaination. From my no 1 book in my library.

Meaning to say, 「らしい」is more like what you see, 「そう」 is more like what you feel...

# あめがふりそうです。It looks like rain./It looks like it will rain. (based on own observation)
# あめがふるそうです。I hear that it'll rain./I heard that it will rain. (based on info seen, heard, read-source may be unreliable)

->Correct.

I quote this from the 1st jpg image you posted regarding らしい when you mention ***「らしい」is more like what you see***

"... speaker makes judgment based on what was seen or heard at that moment.
Often used when there is some objective basis for judgment rather than just intuition.
Unnatural to use simply based on speaker's subjectivity..."

 

[dimitri_can]

Seriously speaking, this 「らしい」 and 「よう」 is 1 thing that JLPT 3 takers face difficulty in....

I also choose not to really care so much.... LOL..

Know the general difference can le, no need to drill down so much

「らしい」->uses your brain power... LOL

「よう」->uses your feelings...

When i look at your explanation, not all will be able to understand fully what you trying to say...

Good attempt for a JLPT 2/3 taker... お疲れでした！

 

[azumangadaioh]

Seriously speaking, this 「らしい」 and 「よう」 is 1 thing that JLPT 3 takers face difficulty in....

I also choose not to really care so much.... LOL..

Know the general difference can le, no need to drill down so much

「らしい」->uses your brain power... LOL

「よう」->uses your feelings...

When i look at your explanation, not all will be able to understand fully what you trying to say...

Good attempt for a JLPT 2/3 taker... お疲れでした！

Okay let me try again to see if the everyone here can understand...

I guess for daily conversation, 「よう」 and 「そう」 can be used interchangeably, except with 「らしい」 has to based on something objective, like for sources of information which the speaker believes to be true, like news, tv, advertisements, press conferences, etc 「らしい」 is used to attach to the word used to emphasize the speaker's opinion based on the info given.

「よう」 I think is relatively straightforward, simply to describe something based on indirect information [ using speaker's common sense / feelings / logic ]. Like if I see a long queue of people waiting outside a food stall while sitting in a car, I can say that I think / feel that the food there is おいしいよう without leaving my seat.

「そう」 is a bit trickly though, my friend sitting beside me says it's おいしいそう [ note: I heard from someone that may not have objective or accurate information, so the food seems to be good おいしいそう ].

So I left the car and queued for 30mins and after eating it, it is really good. So I tell my friend it is really おいしそう [ note: the missing い / different meaning from the one above].

Standing beside me, a food guide from makasutra comes along, tries the food and writes an article that will be published in their magazine. So the readers of this magazine will have the impression / opinion *おいしいらしい* that the food there is おいしい since it is an objective source of information.

I hope this is helpful for those reading, and doubled checked my notes also.

 

[demid]

「そう」 is a bit trickly though, my friend sitting beside me says it's おいしいそう [ note: I heard from someone that may not have objective or accurate information, so the food seems to be good おいしいそう ].

Just to clarify something, since the friend said おいしいそう, he too heard it from someone else as well.

So I left the car and queued for 30mins and after eating it, it is really good. So I tell my friend it is really おいしそう [ note: the missing い / different meaning from the one above].

This part is incorrect. Since one has already eaten the thing and confirmed it delicious, it cannot be おいしそう but should be おいしかった instead.

 

[dimitri_can]

Another helpful link

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/similar.html

I'll try to get my Japanese friend to come onboard to explain...

 

[dimitri_can]

To add on demid said...

E.g you walk past a shop selling cakes, the cakes seems delicious... so you will say おいしそう。

Maybe can clarify again with your teacher on this. (^_^)

 

[unfinished07]

「よう」 I think is relatively straightforward, simply to describe something based on indirect information [ using speaker's common sense / feelings / logic ]. Like if I see a long queue of people waiting outside a food stall while sitting in a car, I can say that I think / feel that the food there is おいしいよう without leaving my seat.

don't know if おいしいよう is grammaticaly correct or not, but never heard anyone saying "おいしいよう".

 

[hayashi-87]

よう・そう・らしい

I'll try to explain the use of the various forms using the あめ example too.

あめがふるようだ - (Looking out the window, you see people carrying umbrella) It looks like it will rain. (Judgement made using your observations/info perceived from the surrounding)

あめがふりそうだ - (Looking up the sky, you see dark clouds) It looks like it will rain. (What you see, based on your sense of sight.)

あめがふるそうだ - (You got the info from weather report or a friend) I heard that it will rain. (Purely just relaying the info you perceived)

あめがふるらしい - (There hasn't been any rain for the past 1 week and according to the weather report) It looks like it will rain. (Similar to ふるそう, judgement made based on a definite source/reason)

 

[dimitri_can]

Here comes the sensei. =p

 

[hayashi-87]

Here comes the sensei. =p

Iie, iie. Juz voicing out my opinion only. ^_^

 

[dimitri_can]

hayashiさんは１級を合格した？

 

[dimitri_can]

Anyone wanna order books? I placing a order via air mail (4 working days after shipment).