Lets talk OLED Laptop

[watzup_ken]

I am currently using Samsung CRG9. Compare to Neo G9, Neo G9 have even brighter screen with mini LED. I really dont know if I can really utilise all the glory. As now i always turn off the local dimming because it is too bright for daily use. I only turn on occasionally when I watch movie in full screen.

I also cannot calibrate it when local dimming is turn on because is too bright, even when I adjust to zero in brightness setting.

So I am leaning towards OLED as not too bright (Plus 50% off blue light) for daily use.

I can imagine its going to be very bright. For me, 400 to 500 nits is already too bright for long term usage. I generally drop the brightness to a max of 300 nits. There are some rare cases where I will max out the brightness level on my MacBook Air M1 @ 400 nits, but that is very rare indeed. But thanks for sharing. I think it is indeed worth testing out first before I make a wrong decision.

 

[watzup_ken]

42" will be really nice. But if have monitor option of 16:10 will be very even better.

I second the aspect ratio. I would prefer more vertical screen estate. But on a TV, it is unlike to happen since it is not the usual standard.

 

[GotBetrayed]

I think 32 to 35 is probably the sweet spot for me. 42 is still massive as a monitor.

Totally agree with you. My dream is to have 2x 27 inch 2k/4k OLED monitors 144hz+ monitors.

 

[firesong]

OLED generally makes the color a lot more vibrant. When I switched from my iPad Pro 10.5 to the Samsung Galaxy S7+, the difference is very apparent. It looks nice to me. And I agree that it is better to switch to dark theme to improve battery life.

As to burn in, I feel it may still be a problem for Windows based system depending on one's usage. For example, if the laptop is used for work, chances is that the apps you use is not exactly full screen. The Windows taskbar will always be there. So that portion may see a burn in faster if the screen is very bright. On phones and tablets, this is less of an issue since the applications always run full screen, i.e. no fixed task bar in sight. That's my opinion.

Because of the way Windows renders some static elements, burn in for OLED screens is expected - definitely for the task bar, and more for other screen components. I expect OLED screened laptops to go for about 3 years or so, given the expected lifespan of OLED phones/tablets. It also means current generation OLED laptops might not have much resale power in future, for those who flip their laptops.

For power savings, what is important is that your theme has to be black, rather than dark. Pure black = no power, whereas any other shades of black will still have powered pixels that still affect battery life.

I am waiting to find more variety and affordable OLED monitors. So far this technology is taking a very long time to become mainstream for PC market.

As for brightness, because most OLED monitors are found on laptops/ tablets only, therefore, higher brightness is actually preferred. We don't always have to max out the brightness because 400 nits can be very bright when you use it indoors. But outdoors and depending on the lighting, it may not be enough.

Agree with this observation. Under the harsh sun, phones with 800+ nits might still struggle, so a 400 nit display beside a bright wall (some offices have full glass walls that you need the curtains for) will still be affected. And the battery life concerns are real too.

OLED is nice to look at, but it's not without penalties.

 

[trenzterra]

How is the overall experience using OLED compare to other LCD laptop?

I cannot stand non-display uniformity so I sold it off the next day...

If you go see display units you can see quite obvious screen burn in also so ya

 

[badbad2000]

I cannot stand non-display uniformity so I sold it off the next day...

If you go see display units you can see quite obvious screen burn in also so ya

didn't know burn in still so serious after so many prevention features.

 

[firesong]

didn't know burn in still so serious after so many prevention features.

It's the nature of OLED. That's why it's prone to burn-in.

Burn-in is a result of image retention due to static image being displayed on the screen. This is a guarantee because our OSes render certain elements in fixed locations. For Windows, the bottom taskbar. For Mac, the top bar is generally static, along with the dock.

It's not a problem if you keep moving the content on screen, so the concept is a decent one for OLED TVs. Smartphones are generally built to last about 2y based on consumer patterns, so the lifespan of phone displays is optimised for that kind of user pattern. But most of us don't constantly run so many different apps that change full-screen images all the time. Our laptops/computers are not merely for video watching, but we do a lot of work that involves a lot of static displays. And many of us keep our laptops for 3-5y typically, not replace them so often. Most of us retain our desktop monitors for many, many years. Some people are still happily using 10-15y, if not older, monitors without issues today.

You just need 1000-5000h of aggressive use. For most work laptops that are on from 14h (or more) a day, that translates to only 72 days of laptop use before burn-in can begin to happen.
https://www.bluecinetech.co.uk/oled-to-burn-in/

 

[trenzterra]

Yeah if whole day using Excel or Word or even surfing net... Think burn it will happen rather quickly

 

[royfrosty]

For me i only do editing of photos and hides the taskbar below. And most of the time my usage is far below 1hr in a week. I find editing photos using oled is awesome.

I know the burn in could be an issue. Hence hiding the taskbar should eliminate the burn in for the taskbar. The rest i run photoshop and lightroom on full screen.

Quite happy with the results i got. Hence i forgo IPS panel for Oled instead. But i never gonna look back to IPS again.

 

[badbad2000]

For me i only do editing of photos and hides the taskbar below. And most of the time my usage is far below 1hr in a week. I find editing photos using oled is awesome.

I know the burn in could be an issue. Hence hiding the taskbar should eliminate the burn in for the taskbar. The rest i run photoshop and lightroom on full screen.

Quite happy with the results i got. Hence i forgo IPS panel for Oled instead. But i never gonna look back to IPS again.

What is your OLED screen resolution? How is the battery life? What I read is high resolution such as 4k have big impact on the battery life.

 

[royfrosty]

What is your OLED screen resolution? How is the battery life? What I read is high resolution such as 4k have big impact on the battery life.

Mine is 2.8k res. Is a 16:10 ratio.

So far the battery life is fine for me. Lasted anywhere between 7-8hrs outside use with somewhere mid level of brightness. I turned on auto brightness also.

There was once i purposely disable boost function through the HKEY registery. I exceeded 10hrs of battery life lol. But no point lah. I needed the boost for my photoshop and lightroom works.

 

[badbad2000]

Mine is 2.8k res. Is a 16:10 ratio.

So far the battery life is fine for me. Lasted anywhere between 7-8hrs outside use with somewhere mid level of brightness. I turned on auto brightness also.

There was once i purposely disable boost function through the HKEY registery. I exceeded 10hrs of battery life lol. But no point lah. I needed the boost for my photoshop and lightroom works.

do you use it outdoor? will it be too dim for outdoor use?

 

[royfrosty]

do you use it outdoor? will it be too dim for outdoor use?

Yeap. In cafe by the outside sheltered kind, or at times at site nothing to do. Actually 400nits is really bright enough for me. I feel is because of the screen panel is made of glossy glass. I find matte surface panel tend to reduce "brightness" or rather "clarity" especially during outdoor.

 

[badbad2000]

Yeap. In cafe by the outside sheltered kind, or at times at site nothing to do. Actually 400nits is really bright enough for me. I feel is because of the screen panel is made of glossy glass. I find matte surface panel tend to reduce "brightness" or rather "clarity" especially during outdoor.

This is useful comment for people who think OLED is always too dim for outdoor.

Do you able to watch Youtube in HDR?

As I am currently using Macbook, I really like it because when using Chrome for youtube, it will automatic detect HDR. But not convenient for my PC with Windows 10. If I need HDR, I need to activate it. When I activate it, my desktop color will be out.

 

[watzup_ken]

For me i only do editing of photos and hides the taskbar below. And most of the time my usage is far below 1hr in a week. I find editing photos using oled is awesome.

I know the burn in could be an issue. Hence hiding the taskbar should eliminate the burn in for the taskbar. The rest i run photoshop and lightroom on full screen.

Quite happy with the results i got. Hence i forgo IPS panel for Oled instead. But i never gonna look back to IPS again.

As you mentioned, I feel the use of OLED screen generally requires some tweaks and change in usage behaviour, i.e. hiding the taskbar. So out of the box, I think it may be a problem for people who are not savvy. Low brightness tend to be better for OLED to reduce burn in if I am not mistaken. That's why I suspect the brightness is deliberately kept low for tablets, laptops and monitors. On a phone, the screen generally don't stay stagnant for too long, and by default switches off after a minute or so, while some people like me may disable this feature on a laptop/ desktop.

 

[watzup_ken]

This is useful comment for people who think OLED is always too dim for outdoor.

Do you able to watch Youtube in HDR?

As I am currently using Macbook, I really like it because when using Chrome for youtube, it will automatic detect HDR. But not convenient for my PC with Windows 10. If I need HDR, I need to activate it. When I activate it, my desktop color will be out.

Actually the OLED screen at 400 nits is bright enough in most cases. I generally don't struggle with visibility with my Samsung Galaxy Tab S7+'s screen. I believe this is due to the fact that the colours are very contrasting on OLED that can help. For example, if I try to do some word processing on it, the whites and blacks are very distinct, which helps improve clarity on the screen even under bright light. But I feel a higher brightness will be beneficial for outdoor use. You don't have to use it, but handy to have. And if someone have a use case where they need to use their device under direct sunlight, then the extra brightness can be useful. But chances of this use case is quite low.

 

[badbad2000]

OLED Dell XPS 13 9310 Review​

 

[dieandromeda]

my oled laptop. using it for 2 years. so far so good.

 

[badbad2000]

 

[badbad2000]

my oled laptop. using it for 2 years. so far so good.

what model is this?