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Just wondering, anybody having reception issues with their 6xx G4s?

I'm using Singtel, whenever I enter a place that has no reception, the G4 will lose connectivity (duh), but it never comes back...even when I'm standing right in an open field. Turn on flight mode, turn off, also no reception...manually try to select Singtel, the G4 says no networks available.

But if i stand at the same spot, restart the phone, magically the reception will come back
 

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~大.芒.果~;99510711 said:
Just wondering, anybody having reception issues with their 6xx G4s?

I'm using Singtel, whenever I enter a place that has no reception, the G4 will lose connectivity (duh), but it never comes back...even when I'm standing right in an open field. Turn on flight mode, turn off, also no reception...manually try to select Singtel, the G4 says no networks available.

But if i stand at the same spot, restart the phone, magically the reception will come back

this also happen to my 505 phone which went dead few days back.. i on m1..

nid manually restart to get signal back.
 

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samsung got its back heart-rate monitor (which i doubt anyone uses it often at all) as shutter, so i think G5 can go along this line.

I don't exactly use it on my S6 often as I would like, rather preferring to have a similarly shaped laser auto focus sensor found on the G3 and G4 instead. :)
 

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sent in for repair at the svc centre on wed and receive the sms for collection earlier today(sat)...
 

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LG G4 camera conspiracy theory time:

So I dug out the Mi4i that served as my backup while the G4 was getting its loose connector/505 mobo/whatever fixed, and I tried comparing their cameras.

A thing I noticed consistently was that when shooting in auto, the G4 loses to the Mi4i a lot in terms of RGB noise, like the EXIF shows ISO levels half that of the Mi4i, but the Mi4i has less RGB noise
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in both cases I was using the Google Camera app on both phones.

So then I tried google camera vs stock camera (both Auto, no HDR)
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the stock looks so much better. But the thing i immediately notice from the file is that it doesnt record any EXIF data. This is a characteristic present only when it shoots in HDR.


So I tried again to shoot, this time using only stock camera, once with HDR, once with HDR off (you can tell which is which because the filename says HDR)
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they both look so similar (FYI the left one is the one where HDR is disabled).

After further testing, this is my suspicion on the stock camera behaviour in Auto mode:

- If the scene is very low light (i.e. in lighting conditions where if you use 3rd party apps, their Auto modes will bump ISO up to 4-digit figures), HDR will be forced on, even if you disable it, in an attempt to make the low light auto shot look 'nicer'.

- If the scene is well lit, the HDR will 'respect your decision' if you disable it, and it will truly not activate, and you can tell because the file will have proper EXIF data.


So maybe... could the G4's camera actually not be as good as initially thought (at least under Auto Mode), and that it uses forced-HDR under low light as a trick to make it work if you shoot using Auto?

Ive tested manual mode using the exact same ISO and Shutter speed across the stock app, Camera FV5 and Open Camera, and they look identical, so this looks like an issue exclusive to Auto mode.

It's worth noting that on the G4, only the stock app has a "HDR" mode. Theres something proprietary in the camera driver that doesnt make "HDR" accessible to any 3rd party app.

I guess for casual shooting it doesnt make a difference (and the higher image quality satisfies users anyway, they wont care if it was through HDR or not). I just feel a little funny that the xiaomi which costs half the price and uses a Sony IMX 214 which is a smaller sensor, can outperform the G4 when shooting auto under indoor lighting, unless the G4 'cheats' using HDR.


Now to be clear, Im not saying the Mi4i beats the G4 in all cases. They're evenly matched in daylight, and for evening/night outdoors, the G4 can beat it if you shoot manual. And i think in the Android ecosysem so far, it has pretty good manual support even on the 3rd party apps (except white balance which only stock app can change), while on the other hand you have other companies like Sony who refuse to put Manual Focus and Manual Shutter Speed on their Z5.
 
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Manual mode is one of the key reasons why I bought it. I have never used Auto at all. Your results seems to reaffirm one thing...don't use Auto :)
 

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Phone heating up randomly like nobody's business. Think will send in after cny before it dies on me):
 

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Manual mode is one of the key reasons why I bought it. I have never used Auto at all. Your results seems to reaffirm one thing...don't use Auto :)

Yes this is already a well known fact. The reviews praise the G4 as one of the best because of its manual mode. They already acknowledged that the auto mode is weaker.
 

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i still use auto for daylight cos manually picking the correct shutter speed to not blow out the exposure is tougher.

Auto is definitely a no-go for night or even some indoor lighting for me, because even at 'low' ISO of 200+ i find that you already get noticeable RGB noise.

tbh even with manual I find that different apps have different 'quirks' on the G4. Camera FV5 for example seems to 'need' a higher ISO at night to get the colour balance proper, so when i do long exposure on it, I have this funny habit of setting iso800, waiting a bit for the viewfinder to show the colour balance being corrected, then tune it down to iso50 to shoot. Because of this I actually have 7 different apps for camera, all have different pros and cons.

o yea im not sure if they improved it for the V10 but the G4's video was very underwhelming. locked at 17mbps (although i have 2 apps that can select higher bitrates) and no 60fps
 
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dunno if its worth having manual aperture if your sensor and diaphragm is already so small on a phone body... think right now companies rather want to try dual cameras, which I just hope isnt going to mean that stupid fake bokeh 2MP lens thing that HTC and ZTE did
 

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just got back fone with new mobo. realise is running on 6.0 v20f. dont know if it is a good thing...

edit: v20b
 
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just got back fone with new mobo. realise is running on 6.0 v20f. dont know if it is a good thing...

Try it for a few days and see how the battery is.

I think those of us who got V20a or V20b have higher battery drain and inferior auto brightness (it will sometimes decide to slide down to 0% brightness in indoor lighting)
 
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