MoCA Network Setup | Ethernet over TV cable

xiaofan

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i reckon.. will only cost me abt $100

Indeed the cable will be only about S$100. Are you planning to DIY?

Just check Taobao and the price of CAT8 cable is lower than what I expect. RMB50 (S$10) for 5 meters. RMB80 (S$16) for 10meters and RMB104 (S$21) for 15 meters.

https://m.tb.cn/h.VwBoadh?sm=c367c0 【山泽cat8八类网线家用光纤宽带万兆网络七类屏蔽电脑路由器1超2米】
 
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Indeed the cable will be only about S$100. Are you planning to DIY?

Just check Taobao and the price of CAT8 cable is lower than what I expect. RMB50 (S$10) for 5 meters. RMB80 (S$16) for 10meters and RMB104 (S$21) for 15 meters.

https://m.tb.cn/h.VwBoadh?sm=c367c0 【山泽cat8八类网线家用光纤宽带万兆网络七类屏蔽电脑路由器1超2米】

yup. DIY will do since it's easy to replace.
touchwood..if anything goes wrong. then use this tool loh
 

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but the cost for MoCA kinda high.
i'm still considering changing the existing coaxial cables to CAT-8.
since it's >20yrs liao. the total cost should be cheaper too

high cost for moca yes since ninch market

but compare to hack wall etc etc even higher cost

for old flat no choice..............
 

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yup. DIY will do since it's easy to replace.
touchwood..if anything goes wrong. then use this tool loh

Concerns raised in the SingTel 1Gbos thread.


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Do not buy patch cables from china to cut and wire it up to keystone jacks. More than likely you'll find you will not be able to do this!

Ethernet cable for infrastructure use is solid-core cabling. You will need this to terminate properly in the keystone jacks and rj45 ends. This is also why it's more expensive, since it's a good solid core high-quality copper. They are pretty stiff, a little heavier and more difficult to manipulate (hence the backache comment, cos standing on top of the ladder and holding cables overhead for hours is backbreaking work :s13: ). These are more expensive due to the build quality, but are more assured to last. You should be looking at brands like Belden.

Patch cables you buy from shops are usually multiple-strand cores. Especially cheap ones, since they don't need to run pure copper or all quality metal - it's usually alloyed to "just good enough". It's also stranded so it's much more flexible and portable. They are cheap and meant to be easily thrown and replaced. It's good enough to connect from the patch panel to devices, but you should not be running these inside trunking for more permanent installations.

As mentioned, Cat 7 and 8 aren't official standards. They are actually shielded cables so if you want to run them together with power cables in the same trunking and don't mind the expense, consider running shielded Cat 6A for the best returns... For me, I ran unshielded twisted Cat 6 in a separate trunking beside the power lines. :s13: I'm sure there is some interference, but so far it's not been terrible.

There's an exception if you want to use pre-crimped cables from online - don't cut them, so it's jack-to-jack from end to end. It might work for a few years even, but I will not guarantee longevity. I'm heard of people who have done just this, using flat cables in the same trunking as their power lines (oh my, the interference!) Bear in mind that attenuation is higher for stranded cables so I won't even think of it for distances greater than 6m.

Good luck to whoever wants to run cables at home.
 

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About Ethernet cable.



Cable standards for CAT 8 has been approved in TIA568, but not yet in ISO/IEC11801 (latest approved version is still the 2017 edition). CAT7 and 7A have been approved in ISO/IEC11801 but not recognized by TIA/EIA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_11801?wprov=sfla1

Its use in 25Gbps/40Gbps Ethernet has been approved by IEEE as per the above Wikipedia entry.

"However, in 2016, the IEEE 802.3bq working group ratified the amendment 3 which defines 25Gbase-T and 40gbase-T on Category 8 cabling specified to 2000 MHz."

It does mention the following, "Category 8 is designed only for data centers where distances between switches and servers are short. It is not intended for general office cabling."

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https://community.fs.com/blog/network-cable-standards-tia-568-vs-iso-11801-vs-en-50173.html

ANSI/TIA-568.2-D (published in September, 2018), the newest standard for copper cables, specifies the mechanical and transmission requirements of category 3, Category 5e, Category 6, Category 6a, and Category 8 balanced twisted-pair copper cabling and components. It is also the standard for 28AWG patch cords.
 

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Concerns raised in the SingTel 1Gbos thread.

When I repaired and replaced the few keystones sockets in my house due to brittleness of the PVC or plastics.... I cut and spliced the 8 wires and find them to be single solid core and easy to splice and clip it into the new RJ socket fork legs.

Yes they are different from those flexible ethernet cables where you plug in and connect to your router...

Thanks Xiaofan for highlighting... learnt something
 
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Concerns raised in the SingTel 1Gbos thread.

his concerns doesnt seems to affect my current wiring. coaxial cable are stiff as well.
patch panel + keystone i've just need to buy the correct specs

cat8 wires was cheap.
but RJ45 jack for cat8 damn over priced now even though they can be re-used.
maybe i've temporarily use RJ45 for cat6a. if i found the type which fits 22AWG
 

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his concerns doesnt seems to affect my current wiring. coaxial cable are stiff as well.
patch panel + keystone i've just need to buy the correct specs

cat8 wires was cheap.
but RJ45 jack for cat8 damn over priced now even though they can be re-used.
maybe i've temporarily use RJ45 for cat6a. if i found the type which fits 22AWG

Yep. The context was, a user was asking about laying infrastructure cables, and thought of laying cat 8. The impression users are given is that patch cables are bought and laid and cut at the ends - patch cables are usually not single-core 22/20/18awg. Have a PM by a user who seemed to get that underrstanding, so there needed to be a clarification.

Linking to the TB thread, the images are clear that the wires are not single core, but twisted strands.

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They're going to be a nightmare to keystone properly.

Of course, if you're running ethernet over coax, that's altogether something else.

PS: Thanks for pointing me to here. It appears there was no context consideration while quoting.
 
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here's the single core
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Yep, again context.

In the Singnet thread that I was linked to and quoted here, the taobao link given to users was for multi-core flexible patch cables. Again, in the context of users who are new to infrastructure, it would prove to be a nightmare job.

Hence the need for clarification, that they cannot be laid and cut. Not to mention attenuation and other networking no-nos.

Since you're laying your own cables, we have to trust you know what you're doing. :s13: After all, it's your own network. ;)
 

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Hi, pardon me, I tried to pm you but your inbox is full. I remembered from a post quite some time ago that you are selling the moca adapters. May I know which brand of adapters are you selling? Are they compatible with those from Actiontec? I'm looking to add one additional adapter to my home network. Do you sell just a single adapter? Thanks
 

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Hi, pardon me, I tried to pm you but your inbox is full. I remembered from a post quite some time ago that you are selling the moca adapters. May I know which brand of adapters are you selling? Are they compatible with those from Actiontec? I'm looking to add one additional adapter to my home network. Do you sell just a single adapter? Thanks

PMed you:)
 

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Very thankful that I chanced upon this thread. Didn't think of doing ethernet cables during renovation, and made the mistake of placing SCV/TV points in all rooms instead. Now they are obsolete and useless. I also tried powerline plugs in the past, and now with mesh wifi.

I was considering whether to upgrade existing TPLink Deco M5 to newer mesh options, as the wifi signal in my room was only around 20-30mbps (I am on M1 500mbps).

After reading through the entire thread twice, I decided to go for Gocoax MoCA 2.5 from Amazon US. It worked right out of the box, when I connected it to my main Deco M5 router, and via the coaxial network to the other Deco M5 in my room (thanks to the many postings on how to do this!). Now I am able to hit 300 - 400 mbps consistently, a vast improvement.

Never did I think of using coaxial network for data. This thread is terrific.
Thank you !!
 

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Setup a pair of new Gocoax MOCA this early morning ...

The speed is really amazing man... hitting above 900+ Mbps both for upload and download.

Highly recommended for houses that have multiple TV points in rooms...

How much does Gocoax MOCA cost? Any link to order?

Thanks.
 
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