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If I want to commit $150 per mth as savings, where should I park it?

I do not know how to play shares, but do not mind to learn n buy unit trusts n monitor a bit.

I am considering endowment funds, share builder funds, fixed deposits, life insurance, etc.

Currently I have ILP, but thinking of saving more for retirement.
 

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why dun u talk to ur agent?

he shld give u some good recomm
 

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If I want to commit $150 per mth as savings, where should I park it?

I do not know how to play shares, but do not mind to learn n buy unit trusts n monitor a bit.

I am considering endowment funds, share builder funds, fixed deposits, life insurance, etc.

Currently I have ILP, but thinking of saving more for retirement.

First question - do you have an emergency fund built up? If you don't have six months' worth of expenses in ready cash, you shouldn't even be thinking about investing yet.

If you do... Philip Securities' Share Builder Plan is what you're looking for. It's not about "playing" shares, it's about regularly investing in them - and they restrict you to a list of blue-chip shares, so you can't go too far wrong.

The other good thing is that if you ever need to, you can pause the payments for a month or two with no penalty, so it's a lot more flexible than an ILP.

The catch is that in your size, the fees are relatively high - it's a fixed $6 per month. It's better value if you've got $200-300 a month to invest.

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how about saving your money with gold??
...well, because gold has a negative interest rate and it's been in a speculative bubble for the last five years? How's that for a reason? Seriously, this is terrible advice and you should be ashamed of yourself.
 

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First question - do you have an emergency fund built up? If you don't have six months' worth of expenses in ready cash, you shouldn't even be thinking about investing yet.

...well, because gold has a negative interest rate and it's been in a speculative bubble for the last five years? How's that for a reason? Seriously, this is terrible advice and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Agreed that it is good to put aside an emergency fund.

However, your opinion on gold shows a trapped mindset within the fiat currency paradigm. Whilst this mindset is typical amongst many investors and savers alike, people are starting to wake up. It is a shame that you put down sound-money just as if it was another "investment".

Gold is not an investment, it is money. And no, I'm not talking about the 'money' or currency you use to buy goods. I'm talking about the intrinsic qualities that mankind has bestowed upon gold (and silver) for the pass 5000 odd years. These are qualities that qualify gold (and silver) as sound-money through and across generations, cultures and societies.

As we approach the end of western dominance, their governments have very little "tools" left other than monetization of their massive debts. The very "money" (fiat currencies) that we use to value goods and services will be debased exponentially as politicians try to wriggle their way out between a rock and a hard place. This in turn will cause massive price inflation especially within the energy and commodities sectors.

If badspf gave an advice to save in gold, it is not a bad advice. Instead, it is a sound advice. However if someone had suggested to "invest" in gold, then you may probably question their fundamental understanding. You don't invest in gold, you save in it (physical).

If TS had asked for investment advice, I wouldn't have replied here. But seeing how gold has been ridiculed as a form of savings is really a big disappointment. Please detach your perspectives from the fiat currency paradigm, step back, and adopt a macro-historical viewpoint on money.

Here are some informational links for starters. DYODD.

http://www.goldmoney.com/gold-research/money-history.html - Monetary History @ Bundesbank's Geldmuseum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wd6MW8gPK4 - Part 1 - The Origin of Money
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW72ZnHUBiM - Part 2 - The Functions and Requirements of Money
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri1bQsGLM6M - Part 3 - The Stability of Gold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=net-V4mtfnM - Part 4 - Money in a Modern Economy
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article10370.html - Aristotle and the Definition of Money
http://www.resourceinvestor.com/News/2011/8/Pages/Gold-and-Fiat-Currency-Forty-Years-Later.aspx - Gold vs Fiat 40 years later
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj2s6vzErqY - Debt Collapse - Mike Maloney On Gold and Silver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeQtpRGSI_8 - Gold, the dollar and the euro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXG8eQkYVpg - Richard Russell on gold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm96-nebe-8 - Peter Schiff - Gold a thermometer on the economy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYkOTKgejQs - Marc Faber - Gold undervalued with all the money printing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifsy97CxiL4 - Ed Steer: Direct Questions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPd7VtVjmpg - Real Estate: Are we in a bubble?
http://www.drschoon.com/articles/CollapsePaperMoneyVerticalMoveOfGold.pdf - Collapse of Paper Money & the Vertical Move of Gold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2w7wGwUZ9Y - Eric Sprott on silver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uWpDSBHAaE - Gold not a bubble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCPQ5BW2F1c - Central Bank Manipulations
http://www.fgmr.com/swiss-national-bank-gives-up.html - Swiss Franc Devaluation
 

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Anything that raise so parabolically will always correct. And note that this is not the first time gold ever raise in such a pattern. Go and look at the last 36 years gold price history. There was once gold went into the exact same pattern going up by 425% over a 2 years period. The important thing is what happen after.
 

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Anything that raise so parabolically will always correct. And note that this is not the first time gold ever raise in such a pattern. Go and look at the last 36 years gold price history. There was once gold went into the exact same pattern going up by 425% over a 2 years period. The important thing is what happen after.

The problem with this assumption is that it's roots still lie within the fiat currency paradigm. This method of valuation measures gold against fiat currencies. As governments monetize their debt and inherently devalue their currencies, doesn't this render this assumption invalid?

When you use a fiat currency (e.g. USD) as the measurement of value (i.e. the ruler), and governments change the ruler by stretching it (print money). Can you reliably measure or value anything over a period of time?

A better way to measure the value of gold - The Gold Money Index
 

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interesting read about the gold money index. actually the recent gold correction is a good buying opportunity. and i believe gold will resume its gradual rise from here on.
 

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Interesting thing about gold. Could someone help address these questions? I am fairly versed in the other investment instruments except gold as i have my doubts...I always see gold going up but quite sceptical on how it could work for a retail investor...yes gold has been going up but its denominated in the dollar & dollar has been ****e...from once 1.8 to the slums now.....buy a UT, thats e best product to co-feed your agents & pay the fund managers a million dollars in bonus & help fund their bungalows in Sentosa...Theres so much speculation on fake gold around...the weakest economies today whom have no solution to turn themselves around, supposedly have the largest quantity of gold around, why not use it...if u trade the futures, the margin call will be horrendous..yeah gold is up but it was just 1800 a while ago n dropped 200 bucks within a very short span of time...i reckon any1 who went in at tat time would have been goldburnt by the calls...if u buy physical from the jeweller, yes u can enjoy wearing it but theres a huge spread taken on purchase n sale.....the most dodgy way is to buy physical from gold cos n store it with them in promise of a yield isnt it....it will be fun to see wat happens when pple wanna start cashing out at e same time...so many articles in e paper where companies ran into trouble with the law...

Any other ways of investing gold or is there even a need to bother investing in it? Theres so many other options, stocks for capital appreciations, stocks for dividends, insurance for illness & properties..
 

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i feel like buying real gold and store at home. Good or not for fighting inflation? This is assuming that I dont care about thief.
 

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i feel like buying real gold and store at home. Good or not for fighting inflation? This is assuming that I dont care about thief.

Any other ways of investing gold or is there even a need to bother investing in it? Theres so many other options, stocks for capital appreciations, stocks for dividends, insurance for illness & properties..

buying physical gold takes up space, security risk, etc. for simplicity sake, ease of purchase and good to buy in small quantities, just consider SPDR Gold exchange traded fund on SGX. this fund is back by real and physical gold. let the professional handles it for a small fee.
 

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I personally am quite against UT, mainly because of their maintenance fees. Some of you might object with this, as UT have a lot of benefits, but to me, it is not an investment vehicle , and it varies from people to people, just like ILP or BTIR?

There are a lot of ways to save it, but for just S$150, i suggest you to save keep it to a certain amount before deciding.

No matter buying gold, stocks or other things, the thing you may want to take note is the timing of purchase. Nobody can really advice you when is the bottom, as we always learn from history (past charts).
 

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Any other ways of investing gold or is there even a need to bother investing in it? Theres so many other options, stocks for capital appreciations, stocks for dividends, insurance for illness & properties..

This is a legit question. I generally knock gold as an investment when people ask about it, because it's crazy expensive at the moment (and because it's hilarious to watch all the loony goldbugs come out of the woodwork, regurgitating stuff they've read on the intertubes about "the fiat currency paradigm" and "gold is money". If gold is money, why can't I buy a can of Coke with it?).

But there's a good argument for having a small (say 5%) slice of your portfolio in gold, and it revolves around correlation. Diversification is good, right? And gold's a very good way to diversify your portfolio, because it has near-zero correlation with stocks. So gold tends to move independently of stocks (except in big plunges like the one in August), which gives you some insurance if your stocks go down in price.

So it's not a bad idea to own a bit of gold. The problem is that it has neither yield (like a bond) nor underlying earnings (like a stock) nor any real industrial demand, so actually making money from gold relies entirely on the Greater Fool theory. That's why it shouldn't be a big part of your portfolio.

Mostly stocks, some bonds, a bit of cash, and a bit of gold makes for a well-diversified investment portfolio.

The easiest way to buy the shiny yellow stuff is, as MikeDirnt said, the SPDR Gold ETF (stock code O87 on the SGX, or GLD on NYSE). It's big, it's liquid, it trades like a share, there's no GST on it, and if you ever need to cash out, you can sell it and have the money in three days flat.
 

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I would gladly take 999.9 gold for a can of coke ANYTIME :D
Even if its just a tenth of a gram.

This is a legit question. I generally knock gold as an investment when people ask about it, because it's crazy expensive at the moment (and because it's hilarious to watch all the loony goldbugs come out of the woodwork, regurgitating stuff they've read on the intertubes about "the fiat currency paradigm" and "gold is money". If gold is money, why can't I buy a can of Coke with it?).

But there's a good argument for having a small (say 5%) slice of your portfolio in gold, and it revolves around correlation. Diversification is good, right? And gold's a very good way to diversify your portfolio, because it has near-zero correlation with stocks. So gold tends to move independently of stocks (except in big plunges like the one in August), which gives you some insurance if your stocks go down in price.

So it's not a bad idea to own a bit of gold. The problem is that it has neither yield (like a bond) nor underlying earnings (like a stock) nor any real industrial demand, so actually making money from gold relies entirely on the Greater Fool theory. That's why it shouldn't be a big part of your portfolio.

Mostly stocks, some bonds, a bit of cash, and a bit of gold makes for a well-diversified investment portfolio.

The easiest way to buy the shiny yellow stuff is, as MikeDirnt said, the SPDR Gold ETF (stock code O87 on the SGX, or GLD on NYSE). It's big, it's liquid, it trades like a share, there's no GST on it, and if you ever need to cash out, you can sell it and have the money in three days flat.
 

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The satisfaction of holding a few gold kilobars in your hands is second to none, better than sex even.

i ever tot of it... but perhaps gold coins

eh.... btw i am also interested in REITS.... is it better than Unit Trust?
 
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i ever tot of it... but perhaps gold coins

Bullion coins are definately a better way to holding physical gold than kilobars. Unless you're a UHNW individual who buys by the ton, kilobars are a little too large a denomination. You will be better off getting 1oz gold coins in tubes.

Even after some explanation in my previous posts, the misconception of 'gold as an investment' still persists. I have to reiterate - gold is NOT an investment. It is a hedge against fiat currencies. It is a safe haven against govts running up large deficits and thereafter monetizing their debts. Do not expect to make a quick buck with gold, it doesn't work that way. Fast money comes with high volatility and risk... but since you were asking about savings, I will not venture further into the "gambling" side of investments.
 
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GOLD IS MONEY, Y'ALL

I would gladly take 999.9 gold for a can of coke ANYTIME :D
Even if its just a tenth of a gram.

How about a one-tonne gold coin? Can I pay with that and get some change?

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