Need help building a new CPU (3D Modeling / Render)

[sparksue]

Hi Guys!

Need help on getting a new PC.

My current CPU is with me for almost 7 years, the monitor die and instead of getting a new monitor, i intend to get a new CPU + Monitor.

Went down to sim lim square and was shocked to see the huge jump of costing on VGA. (Bad timing for me) Was quote quite a big pricing when i was looking for a spec that for 3d modeling/rendering. I was even quoted that my requirement needs at least 2.5K (CPU along)

I guess they might be mistaken when i ask for 3d modeling/rendering - more toward Interior still shot and those simple modeling - not complex type. And No animation is rendered/required as well. Also, think if gaming-wise - maybe Division 2 / For Honor high setting will be good enough as I don't really play many games.

I manage to ask one of the stores and gave me reasonable pricing. (here's the items that he quote)

1. AMD i5 - 3600X = $299
2. ASUS Prime B50M-A WIFI = $239
3. Corsair Vengeance LPX 3600 Series - 32G = $329
4. Quadro P600 2GB VGA Card = $329
5. Silverstone 600W = $79
6. Simple Case = $70
7. Win 10 Home = $149
8. Crucial P2 Nvme M.2 - 500G = $120
9. HDD - 2TB = $109

Total = $1720

As the technology changes so much - can I check the following questions with the people here.

1. which board + CPU is suitable for these types of works? Intel LGA 1151 / Intel LGA 1200 / AMD AM4 (Store quote me this)

2. Does Quadro still work great for Modeling/rendering? If i am playing the game - will there be any issue on it? As in the past i remember there will be issue if we are using Quadro to play game? or i should stick with those gaming VGA that work well in both rendering/gaming. (Any recommendation will be good)

3. If the Board + CPU is good enough - anyone can recommend me a better MB? I look through the online review and mentioned that the disadvantage of this board is way hotter compare to other MB. My CPU will be placed underneath my table and it's non-aircon. (living room) The good thing is that i doubt i am going to turn 24hrs running render. As my render setting at most is 3hr? (The current works with my current CPU - the longest is only half-hour.

4. Monitor wise - my monitor not those high-end ones, the pricing should be within 200~300ish. It might be even lower if my budget is too tight. (those cheap ones like 159)

My Budget is around $1.3K ~ $1.5k (CPU) and notices that the only thing i can cut is the 32GB since 16GB will be more than enough for me for now. If I need to upgrade - it will be at a later stage.

Appreciate anyone can advise me if there's anything that I can cut or should take note of. Intend to have this CPU to last at least 4~5 years?

TIA Guys.

One more thing guys, I was checking with my company engaged IT guy, was told that base on the current office CPU spec that I am working on - the spec he recommends me is the 2 mentioned below. Was told that it's more than enough for my work. so hopefully with this - it might give you an idea where my actual work spec requirement.

1. LENOVO IDEACENTRE 510S-07ICB PC ($1,100++)
2. ASUS Expert Center D6414SFF-I59400005T ($899++)

 

[86technie]

During this time best go for prebuild PC as you know GPU prices are very high.
You have to decide whether you want to game or do 3D modelling.
Quadro cannot game as the driver used is meant for CAD etc. rendering functions.

GeForce wise is for gaming, CAD function wise you can install Nvidia studio drivers
but gaming performance can be lowered.
Which is why you have to decide if you want to game or solely focus on CAD
as the GPU acceleration is different.

$1.5k for CAD capable PC is quite tight, usually for companies and schools will
go workstation like Dell Precision workstation.
Gaming PC wise at the moment you can look at Lenovo Legion or Ideacenter.

https://www.lenovo.com/sg/en/deskto...ies-towers/IdeaCentre-Gaming-5i/p/99IC9G50341
The Asus Expert center is for work but not for gaming.

 

[NightRaven49]

1. which board + CPU is suitable for these types of works? Intel LGA 1151 / Intel LGA 1200 / AMD AM4 (Store quote me this)

what application do you use for your workload? some favour single thread performance (such as during modelling where u need to make many camera changes), where intel platforms are generally superior unless using the ryzen 5000 series on am4, while others favour multicore (like during rendering), where am4 is the better option.

2. Does Quadro still work great for Modeling/rendering? If i am playing the game - will there be any issue on it? As in the past i remember there will be issue if we are using Quadro to play game? or i should stick with those gaming VGA that work well in both rendering/gaming. (Any recommendation will be good)

quadro is generally good for modelling, but the model recommended is very old and not much faster than some integrated graphics. some applications may also rely on cpu based rendering vs gpu based, so u have to check if ur workload prioritises which type. i probably wouldnt game on the p600 though, its basically half of a gtx 1050 and not great for anything above 720p.

3. If the Board + CPU is good enough - anyone can recommend me a better MB? I look through the online review and mentioned that the disadvantage of this board is way hotter compare to other MB. My CPU will be placed underneath my table and it's non-aircon. (living room) The good thing is that i doubt i am going to turn 24hrs running render. As my render setting at most is 3hr? (The current works with my current CPU - the longest is only half-hour.

i would recommend any of msi's b550 boards.

now is not a great time to build pcs with dedicated graphics, and while quadro has always been a lot more expensive compared to their geforce counterparts, 329 for such a gpu is pretty steep imo. i would also suggest getting ur parts from different places, the quoted prices dont look very appealing, especially for storage and ram. personally i would build something like this:
cpu: 4750g $500 taobao
mobo: msi b550m mortar wifi $150 taobao
ram: any cheap 32gb kit of ram off amazon - now crucial ballistix 3600mhz @ $250
storage: wd black sn750 500gb $105 amazon
toshiba p300 2tb $70 lazada
case: $70
psu: $80 for a psu is a bit low for 600w, do consider paying extra for a better psu.
win10 key: $2 taobao
total: ~$1250
the 4750g has more cpu power than the 3600x while should have comparable gpu power than the p600. this should also allow for any easy upgrade path once gpus become more reasonably priced. u can also opt to wait for the 5700g, which should bring a boost to single thread performance compared to the 4750g.

 

[sparksue]

During this time best go for prebuild PC as you know GPU prices are very high.
You have to decide whether you want to game or do 3D modelling.
Quadro cannot game as the driver used is meant for CAD etc. rendering functions.

Noted, in this case, I will go for GeForce or non- Quadro VGC instead. My current CPU Setup doesn't use Quadro and it works perfectly fine with my working model / Rendering as my current rendering/model is not so as heavy usage as it's seems to be. (If not because of my Monitor are spoilt - I would have wait for next year and get one instead)

GeForce wise is for gaming, CAD function wise you can install Nvidia studio drivers
but gaming performance can be lowered.

Thanks - In this case, I will be looking at GeForce Card based on the pricing that i was quote from the seller. (300++) But with the current 300++ pricing, which VGC will be ideal for it?

$1.5k for CAD capable PC is quite tight, usually for companies and schools will
go workstation like Dell Precision workstation.
Gaming PC wise at the moment you can look at Lenovo Legion or Ideacenter.

Thanks for the link - i do really consider getting the IdeaCentre Gaming 5i (14) - But it's intel not AM4 MB. really need to take on this part for me.

But there are 2 choices of the graphic card.

1. AMD Radeon RX5500 4GB GDDR6 - $1,528.06 ($50 difference)
2. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Super 4GB 4GB GDDR6 - $1,478,06

Which one will be ideal for 3d modeling? Still GeForce? Since it's slightly cheaper than the AMD Radeon VGC

what application do you use for your workload? some favour single thread performance (such as during modelling where u need to make many camera changes), where intel platforms are generally superior unless using the ryzen 5000 series on am4, while others favour multicore (like during rendering), where am4 is the better option.

Would go for Rendering even though I have many camera views - the good thing is that the many camera views are position for rendering - so it's doesn't serve much purpose for me. With this in mind - i am looking to increase my ram as well to min. 16GB instead. So based on this question and my answer - I should go for AM4 MB instead ya - which is what the seller is proposing the AMD MB to me instead?

quadro is generally good for modelling, but the model recommended is very old and not much faster than some integrated graphics. some applications may also rely on cpu based rendering vs gpu based, so u have to check if ur workload prioritises which type. i probably wouldnt game on the p600 though, its basically half of a gtx 1050 and not great for anything above 720p.

Noted, if this is the case - if I intend to get an AM4 MB instead with the similar spec build of IdeaCentre Gaming 5i (14). Having NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Super 4GB 4GB GDDR6 instead of AMD Radeon RX5500 4GB GDDR6?

now is not a great time to build pcs with dedicated graphics, and while quadro has always been a lot more expensive compared to their geforce counterparts, 329 for such a gpu is pretty steep imo. i would also suggest getting ur parts from different places, the quoted prices dont look very appealing, especially for storage and ram. personally i would build something like this:
cpu: 4750g $500 taobao
mobo: msi b550m mortar wifi $150 taobao
ram: any cheap 32gb kit of ram off amazon - now crucial ballistix 3600mhz @ $250
storage: wd black sn750 500gb $105 amazon
toshiba p300 2tb $70 lazada
case: $70
psu: $80 for a psu is a bit low for 600w, do consider paying extra for a better psu.
win10 key: $2 taobao
total: ~$1250
the 4750g has more cpu power than the 3600x while should have comparable gpu power than the p600. this should also allow for any easy upgrade path once gpus become more reasonably priced. u can also opt to wait for the 5700g, which should bring a boost to single thread performance compared to the 4750g.

Thanks for the inputs - Will look into the mentioned Mobo that you mentioned. the thing is i don't really know how to configure the system and i have a bad experience in the past in which i don't really want to install the parts together. Is there anyone that can configure the parts for me? simlim square have it?

Guys, Thanks for the inputs - at least I start to gather more information and work on the CPU - Or as you all have mentioned that it's not a great time to build pcs - should I just buy a 2nd monitor and continue using my old CPU till next year? but with the current pandemic going on and hearing those shop sellers that some of the parts are difficult to come by - I should just go ahead and buy those pre-set CPU like IdeaCentre Gaming 5i (14) and use it. i think this system should be able to hold for at least 3~5 years?

Once again, thanks guys for the input. really appreciate if there's any further help from my reply. Thanks!!

 

[86technie]

How long PC can last also depend how do you use as well as maintenance.
It's hard to say if the PC can last that long as 5 years unless you go for Business grade
desktop which have better components and higher durability.

To make it easier as I myself also confused what is your intended purpose.
As seems you are more focus on 3D model so what applications are you using?
Indicate the application that you are using, for example Solidworks or
before I can share recommendation.

 

[SkyShroud]

i would recommend any of msi's b550 boards.

now is not a great time to build pcs with dedicated graphics, and while quadro has always been a lot more expensive compared to their geforce counterparts, 329 for such a gpu is pretty steep imo. i would also suggest getting ur parts from different places, the quoted prices dont look very appealing, especially for storage and ram. personally i would build something like this:
cpu: 4750g $500 taobao
mobo: msi b550m mortar wifi $150 taobao
ram: any cheap 32gb kit of ram off amazon - now crucial ballistix 3600mhz @ $250
storage: wd black sn750 500gb $105 amazon
toshiba p300 2tb $70 lazada
case: $70
psu: $80 for a psu is a bit low for 600w, do consider paying extra for a better psu.
win10 key: $2 taobao
total: ~$1250
the 4750g has more cpu power than the 3600x while should have comparable gpu power than the p600. this should also allow for any easy upgrade path once gpus become more reasonably priced. u can also opt to wait for the 5700g, which should bring a boost to single thread performance compared to the 4750g.

if mb spoil, how to service?

 

[SkyShroud]

ts wan to use gpu rendering or cpu rendering?

 

[TanKianW]

Just get one pre-built from the PC makers like Lenovo, Dell and HP.

With part shortages, you better off with them.

 

[NightRaven49]

if mb spoil, how to service?

llst buy new one lor. local b550 pricing is really quite markup, can buy 2 b550 mobos overseas for the price of 1 locally, so in the end also cost about the same. some taobao shops also offer local return and refund for 2 weeks, so if doa still got some protection.

 

[sparksue]

How long PC can last also depend how do you use as well as maintenance.
It's hard to say if the PC can last that long as 5 years unless you go for Business grade
desktop which have better components and higher durability.

To make it easier as I myself also confused what is your intended purpose.
As seems you are more focus on 3D model so what applications are you using?
Indicate the application that you are using, for example Solidworks or
before I can share recommendation.

Hi, sorry abt the confusion.

As for the years usage - noted. If can use at least 3 years happy liao. Lol

My daily work program required -
1. 3d Max + Vray. (Main Rendering)
2. Google Sketchup (Main Modeling software)
3. Autocad for 2d drawings
4. Photoshop - editing of images

These are my main software that i am working on.
Thanks again for taking your time to work on it.

 

[sparksue]

ts wan to use gpu rendering or cpu rendering?

Hi,

I didn't know abt this gpu / cpu rendering. I am using 3d max / vray to render. How do i check the usage of the gpu / cpu Rendering? Thanks.

 

[86technie]

Hi, sorry abt the confusion.

As for the years usage - noted. If can use at least 3 years happy liao. Lol

My daily work program required -
1. 3d Max + Vray. (Main Rendering)
2. Google Sketchup (Main Modeling software)
3. Autocad for 2d drawings
4. Photoshop - editing of images

These are my main software that i am working on.
Thanks again for taking your time to work on it.

Think you have to separate between a gaming and CAD Pc. Autocad need Quadro, geforce can be consider but have to install Studio drivers.
However with studio driver, gaming performance can be affected.
Actually your usage a proper workstation would be better but at $1.5k is not possible.

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/supp...m-requirements-for-Autodesk-3ds-Max-2021.html

 

[SkyShroud]

Hi,

I didn't know abt this gpu / cpu rendering. I am using 3d max / vray to render. How do i check the usage of the gpu / cpu Rendering? Thanks.

how come chiu dunno?
is work or study?
if work u better ask ur boss or colleagues
if study u better ask ur teacher

 

[sparksue]

Think you have to separate between a gaming and CAD Pc. Autocad need Quadro, geforce can be consider but have to install Studio drivers.
However with studio driver, gaming performance can be affected.
Actually your usage a proper workstation would be better but at $1.5k is not possible.

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/supp...m-requirements-for-Autodesk-3ds-Max-2021.html

Thanks, I might consider getting the Geforce as the current Quadro that I was quote is quite an old model it seems my current CPU Setup also include Geforce - ZOTAC Geforce GTX 1060 192BIT GDDR5

how come chiu dunno?
is work or study?
if work u better ask ur boss or colleagues
if study u better ask ur teacher

Thanks for asking me this. lol. I think I am going for Geforce / graphic card instead of a workstation. Why? Because this is my personal CPU - due to WFH (Convid) then I suddenly consider the work involved. my office has one that caters to rendering. So a gaming graphic should be good enough to work with for my personal CPU.

The current graphic card from my home CPU is using Geforce GTX 1060 192BIT GDDR5 - Which is more than enough for my usage w/ 8GB ram. So I might work within this spec or slightly higher so at least it's within the pricing I am looking. (1.3K ~ 1.5K) More of less should be aiming the following Config :

Just a few tweak then i am should be ready to narrow down my spec. thanks guys for all the help. Next post should be what i am getting le. Will update. Thanks!!

 

[sparksue]

Hey Guys! Finally, I manage to come up with the configure based on my requirement and research.

1. MSI MAG B550M MORTAR WIFI
2. AMD RYZEN 5 3600
3. Corsair Vengeance LPX 3600 Ryzen (16GB / 32GB) - Different $100 so still consider it
4. Crucial P2 Nvme M.2 - 500GB
5. Seagate Barracuda 3.5" HDD (2TB)
6. Galax GTX 1660 Super (1-Click OC) 6GB
7. Casing - CM Masterbox NR400
8. PSU - Need help on this, based on this is 600W enough? Or should I get 650W will be safer?

Based on the overall price - $1,570++, might able to reduce to $1.470 if I not getting 32GB Ram and use 16GB instead.

How's the overall build? Might have to scan through the stores and buy individuals for the best price.
Any idea how much will it cost if I ask someone to install it for me instead? $50 ~ $100? or should I save the money and DIY myself instead? I did accidentally break one of the MB GPU Slot, luckily got an additional slot for me to use it.

Once again thanks for all the help guys. Really appreciate it.

 

[86technie]

Good luck finding a GPU as for example GTX1660 can cost half of your budget already.
At budget of $1.5k, custom build you can try go for GTX1650 for what I know cost around $500.
Is a inflated price as last year GTX1650 cost only $200+ but now twice.

Getting a PSU also based on budget, try not to save on PSU.
Get at least Seasonic Core/Focus or Corsair PSU.
Alternative is get prebuild like Ideacenter, remember the issue here is the graphic card.

To build a PC in this time, is bad you be paying twice as much for graphic card.
When the situation improve and who knows when the it will drop back to it's original MSRP.

https://www.lenovo.com/sg/en/deskto...ies-towers/IdeaCentre-Gaming-5i/p/99IC9G50341
https://www.dell.com/en-sg/shop/des...sktop/spd/inspiron-3891-desktop/hdi39811185sg

 

[sparksue]

Good luck finding a GPU as for example GTX1660 can cost half of your budget already.
At budget of $1.5k, custom build you can try go for GTX1650 for what I know cost around $500.
Is a inflated price as last year GTX1650 cost only $200+ but now twice.

Getting a PSU also based on budget, try not to save on PSU.
Get at least Seasonic Core/Focus or Corsair PSU.
Alternative is get prebuild like Ideacenter, remember the issue here is the graphic card.

To build a PC in this time, is bad you be paying twice as much for graphic card.
When the situation improve and who knows when the it will drop back to it's original MSRP.

https://www.lenovo.com/sg/en/deskto...ies-towers/IdeaCentre-Gaming-5i/p/99IC9G50341
https://www.dell.com/en-sg/shop/des...sktop/spd/inspiron-3891-desktop/hdi39811185sg

Thanks, yes I was too tired to research the pricing. (My reply was this morning 3 am - too tired to research pricing. lol)

I was based on the printed price list when I went down 2 day ago - the pricing is of a GTX 1060 is around 3++ which I thought sound reasonable.

Then today I went to shopee to check and behold, most of the GTX 1060S has already sold out, I manage to find 1 which is almost 600++. That's crazy money. Might just on hold for now and get a re-use Monitor and use back the old Computer.

No wonder most of the store seem amused when I ask for a spec within $1.5k which I thought should be enough. was quite shocked that someone quotes me as high as 2.2k. some cheek even ask me if I know the market currently - I mentioned "No" and walk off.

Thanks again for the time to walk through the rig. Might on hold or even just consider a pre-set first. damn, graphic card so expensive.

 

[86technie]

If you want to build a PC, hold on first or get a prebuild like those I shared.
Second hand GTX1060 you can consider but avoid buying Shopee.
On Shopee there are many sellers with fake goods especially if it is from China.

Second hand GTX1060 ranges from $200 - $500, yes there are $200 one but
that is if you are lucky and managed to find one.

 

[sparksue]

If you want to build a PC, hold on first or get a prebuild like those I shared.
Second hand GTX1060 you can consider but avoid buying Shopee.
On Shopee there are many sellers with fake goods especially if it is from China.

Second hand GTX1060 ranges from $200 - $500, yes there are $200 one but
that is if you are lucky and managed to find one.

Noted, Thanks again - ya, think I will hold on first. and see how it's going after 6 months. Hopefully, the supply meets the demand and the cards will eventually back to normal pricing or at least reduce to reasonable pricing. Later heading to SLQ get a 2nd hand monitor and use the old CPU i having now.

now is not a great time to build pcs with dedicated graphics, and while quadro has always been a lot more expensive compared to their geforce counterparts, 329 for such a gpu is pretty steep imo. i would also suggest getting ur parts from different places, the quoted prices dont look very appealing, especially for storage and ram. personally i would build something like this:
cpu: 4750g $500 taobao
mobo: msi b550m mortar wifi $150 taobao
ram: any cheap 32gb kit of ram off amazon - now crucial ballistix 3600mhz @ $250
storage: wd black sn750 500gb $105 amazon
toshiba p300 2tb $70 lazada
case: $70
psu: $80 for a psu is a bit low for 600w, do consider paying extra for a better psu.
win10 key: $2 taobao
total: ~$1250
the 4750g has more cpu power than the 3600x while should have comparable gpu power than the p600. this should also allow for any easy upgrade path once gpus become more reasonably priced. u can also opt to wait for the 5700g, which should bring a boost to single thread performance compared to the 4750g.

May I know if it's advisable to purchase from Taobao for both CPU / MOBO?

Anyone try before and have any issues compiling with local products?

I saw the Taobao on the MSI B550M MORTAR WIFI + R5 3600 - It's really cheaper $200. Thought of getting this then the rest will be local once the graphic card pricing cool down.

 

[86technie]

Motherboard best buy locally, if any issue which may happened you can RMA/Service locally during 3 years period.
Taobao one there may or not be any warranty claim so pros and cons beside cheap price.