Need help with PruSave surrender

Zenest

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Maturity value?


It is all projected. No truth in it.


Anyway, my Prucash just left one year to go. I will let you guys know how much do I get after 21 years.

Saw a reivised BI for similar PruCash 21yr bought Dec 1998 (yours is bought 1999).
It indicates guaranteed amount similar to total premium outlay, total maturity value about 35% more than total premium.
So looks like the main bulk of returns comes on the maturity year.

But noted your point on "projected, no truth"... :s13:
 

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Started PruSave in June 2012. Paying $1005 per month.

Surrender value at $35,058 of which $9009 is guaranteed.
I am withdrawing the yearly bonus. Quite siong to maintain this policy.

Need to maintain this policy for another 8 years.

Realized that surrender value is much lower when compared to conversion to another paid out policy. Why huh?
Converted value at 45k.

Generally, withdrawing bonus will adversely affect the eventual surrender / maturity values as bonus payout formula is part based on accumulated bonus. But i understand the premium is xiong to maintain. :)

Paid out policy, as in you had a previous policy that matured and paid out to you?
Can you elaborate on "Converted value at 45K"?
 
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Oh yes haha was it obvious. This policy was sold to me by another friend, whom needed sales to push start his insurance agent career, which coincided with the younger me who needed some sort of savings plan which will grow better than the banks. It was the "best" product he could sell me, with capital protected, and I blame him nothing.
Subsequently, he really could not make it in the industry and exited, with my FA being passed to a mutual friend. Now I'm just worried my friend will get demerits when I surrender this policy in coming beginning of May.
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No, your Pru friend who took over policy will not be penalised in anyway.

SAF Group Term is a good consideration for term insurance. Cheap & Good. The only limitation is that it ends by age 70.
Nowadays, there are term plans that allow you to choose your premium term to say age 60, but coverage term like a whole life plan up to age 100. :s12:

For your consideration. :s13:
 
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Possibly to achieve XIRR of close to 3% for PruSave when I withdrawing the yearly rebate?
Upon policy maturity, I mean.

Year of entry is 2016. Think is PruSave Series 6.
 

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Possibly to achieve XIRR of close to 3% for PruSave when I withdrawing the yearly rebate?
Upon policy maturity, I mean.

Year of entry is 2016. Think is PruSave Series 6.

Not sure if PruSave allows for a yearly rebate, that sounds more like PruCash. Generally it seems PruSave gets better IRR than PruCash.

Otherwise, it's hard to predict XIRR because that would require predicting the performance of the PAR fund which will require predicting the future performance of the equities and bond market.

In this forum, we don't really try to predict IRR because we cannot control market performance. Instead we try to reduce costs and fees as much as possible by selecting the right products on the right platform and that is something we can control.
 

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Not sure if PruSave allows for a yearly rebate, that sounds more like PruCash. Generally it seems PruSave gets better IRR than PruCash.

Otherwise, it's hard to predict XIRR because that would require predicting the performance of the PAR fund which will require predicting the future performance of the equities and bond market.

In this forum, we don't really try to predict IRR because we cannot control market performance. Instead we try to reduce costs and fees as much as possible by selecting the right products on the right platform and that is something we can control.

Sorry, mine is PruCash Series 6.
Any comments for me again?

Great thanks.
 

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Sorry, mine is PruCash Series 6.
Any comments for me again?

Great thanks.

I just surrendered my PruCash with PruSmart Lady rider after 16 years where I paid for 13 years. Sum assured only S$15k in event of illness. Might as well surrender it now . Though lost money but really don't want to continue anymore.

Prefer my NTUC Ideal plan which has already netted me gains in a shorter time.
 

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Hi all, can advise for the above prucash....what do i do? Will mature in 2024 (another 5years).

Premium yearly is $2464.26.


Your Projected Maturity Benefit
Guaranteed : $ 42,487
Non-Guaranteed : $ 26,637
Total : $ 69,124
* if calculate 21years of premiums, i would have paid S$51,749 in total .

Ask them last 2years about what do i get upon maturity year...the above was the answer. I didn't collect any of the yearly cash and leave it in there since inception.

Was planning to just follow through to maturity (year 2024) and redeem, but after seeing many above discussions, scare that the non-guaranteed portion will be less or none. Then really, can't even get back even the capital or any interest.
 
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Hi all, can advise for the above prucash....what do i do? Will mature in 2024 (another 5years).

Premium yearly is $2464.26.


Your Projected Maturity Benefit
Guaranteed : $ 42,487
Non-Guaranteed : $ 26,637
Total : $ 69,124

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Am I seeing things? guaranteed portion less than premiums paid?
wht kind of cheezypie is dis?

do u still hav the original policy?
check whether the surrender value now as shown in yr img against the original policy. does it differs much?

in best case scenario, get back $69124 is abt 2.56% returns over 20-21 yrs which is at best, matching inflation only.

however, if u surrender now, and yr intention is to have the sum of abt $69k at the end of 2024, u will hav to find an investment instrument of annualised returns 12-13%, which is not easy.
 

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Ask them last 2years about what do i get upon maturity year...the above was the answer. I didn't collect any of the yearly cash and leave it in there since inception.

Was planning to just follow through to maturity (year 2024) and redeem, but after seeing many above discussions, scare that the non-guaranteed portion will be less or none. Then really, can't even get back even the capital or any interest.

if yr idea is to get back the capital only, u will need to find something to reinivest at 5-6% annualised for the nxt 5 years. not easy but also not too difficult. but must able to stomach price fluctuations.
 

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I don't have the original BI, the above is the recent BI i requested from them.
 

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Am I seeing things? guaranteed portion less than premiums paid?
wht kind of cheezypie is dis?

do u still hav the original policy?
check whether the surrender value now as shown in yr img against the original policy. does it differs much?

in best case scenario, get back $69124 is abt 2.56% returns over 20-21 yrs which is at best, matching inflation only.

however, if u surrender now, and yr intention is to have the sum of abt $69k at the end of 2024, u will hav to find an investment instrument of annualised returns 12-13%, which is not easy.

The question is will i really get that S$69k...if so, then i will wait for maturity. No point surrendering now, because it almost near the end. The lost will be bigger if i surrender now.

***
IMPORTANT NOTES AND ASSUMPTIONS
This revised benefit illustration does not form part of the contract. This serves as a supplement to your existing benefit illustration.
The values in the illustration are only estimates, which are based on the current method of computing policy values. The actual values may be higher or lower. While every
care has been taken in the preparation of this illustration, it is subject to correction and confers no legal right.
As the bonus rates used for the values in this illustration are not guaranteed, the actual values will vary according to the future experience of the Participating Fund. The
values in this illustration are computed based on current bonus rates. Bonus rates are normally reviewed at least once a year and new bonus rates are announced in April of
each year. The projected values may change following a bonus announcement. The company may change the announcement date or make more frequent bonus
announcements if necessary.
This illustration was prepared based on the following assumptions:
1. That no Automatic Premium Loan (APL), Policy Loan or Surgical and Nursing Loan has been taken during the lifetime of the policy. For avoidance of doubt, all features
referred to as Premium Protector or Automatic Non-Forfeiture Loan in any of the documents or materials that have been or will be sent to you shall have the same effect as
an Automatic Premium Loan. Please note that an Automatic Premium Loan or Policy Loan, if triggered, will affect the projected values.
2. That bonuses encashed in the past, if any, are no longer part of the policy and are not included in the Death Benefit and Surrender Value.
3. That no policy transactions such as encashment of bonuses, loans, partial surrenders, etc. are made in the future.
4. That premiums continue to be paid throughout the premium paying period indicated in the policy contract.
5. That "Basic Premiums Paid" is illustrated based on the current premium of the basic policy only. It excludes premium received on Riders, if any.
6. That CashBack / Cash Benefit withdrawn in the past, if any, is no longer part of the policy and hence is not included in the Death Benefit and Surrender Value.
The illustrated values include accumulated CashBack / Cash Benefit to-date, future yearly CashBack / Cash Benefit and accumulated interests. The illustration assumes that
the projected CashBack / Cash Benefit interest rate is 3.00 % p.a. The interest rate is not guaranteed and is subject to change.
***

These were the exact words they gave when they reply me with the projected maturity.
 
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Hi all, can advise for the above prucash....what do i do? Will mature in 2024 (another 5years).

Premium yearly is $2464.26.


Your Projected Maturity Benefit
Guaranteed : $ 42,487
Non-Guaranteed : $ 26,637
Total : $ 69,124
* if calculate 21years of premiums, i would have paid S$51,749 in total .

Ask them last 2years about what do i get upon maturity year...the above was the answer. I didn't collect any of the yearly cash and leave it in there since inception.

Was planning to just follow through to maturity (year 2024) and redeem, but after seeing many above discussions, scare that the non-guaranteed portion will be less or none. Then really, can't even get back even the capital or any interest.

I wouldn't worry too much about NG/G. The amount you will get will be closer to the NG rather than G value, but it really depends on the performance of the markets in the next few years.

Based on $69124 maturity value you will getting 3% IRR since the start of the plan.

The current surrender value is $37676 though, which means your XIRR between now and maturity is 7.87%. So surrendering now will probably be a bad idea.
 

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You need to log in to pruaccess and check how much non-guaranteed returns you got. Ask your FA or call Pru to get the login and password if you dont remember creating one.
Then compute the XIRR and insert present value how much you accumulated.

My pruwealth is 2.7%, which ive decided to surrender.
 

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I wouldn't worry too much about NG/G. The amount you will get will be closer to the NG rather than G value, but it really depends on the performance of the markets in the next few years.

Based on $69124 maturity value you will getting 3% IRR since the start of the plan.

The current surrender value is $37676 though, which means your XIRR between now and maturity is 7.87%. So surrendering now will probably be a bad idea.

Thanks for the advise tangent314. Thats what i think too. So, i will just wait for maturity, its another 5years of time and premiums anyway...not too long.
 

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You need to log in to pruaccess and check how much non-guaranteed returns you got. Ask your FA or call Pru to get the login and password if you dont remember creating one.
Then compute the XIRR and insert present value how much you accumulated.

My pruwealth is 2.7%, which ive decided to surrender.

Thanks for your pointer, i request for the logon access. The original FA don't know where already, probably no longer with Prudential. Was asssigned a new junior guy 2years ago, and left also. Can't really rely on them.
 

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I just surrendered my PruCash with PruSmart Lady rider after 16 years where I paid for 13 years. Sum assured only S$15k in event of illness. Might as well surrender it now . Though lost money but really don't want to continue anymore.

Prefer my NTUC Ideal plan which has already netted me gains in a shorter time.


That's the main point I am driving across after comparing Prucash and Income Revosave.
 

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Hi all, can advise for the above prucash....what do i do? Will mature in 2024 (another 5years).

Premium yearly is $2464.26.


Your Projected Maturity Benefit
Guaranteed : $ 42,487
Non-Guaranteed : $ 26,637
Total : $ 69,124
* if calculate 21years of premiums, i would have paid S$51,749 in total .

Ask them last 2years about what do i get upon maturity year...the above was the answer. I didn't collect any of the yearly cash and leave it in there since inception.

Was planning to just follow through to maturity (year 2024) and redeem, but after seeing many above discussions, scare that the non-guaranteed portion will be less or none. Then really, can't even get back even the capital or any interest.


Your Prucash will break even on 17th year. You are now in 14th year.


Mine is now at 20th year still hasn't broken even. Hahaha
 

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Look at the big jump in surrender value between maturity -1 year and maturity. These plans are designed with the bonus to be back loaded. So usually it does not make sense to surrender mid way through or near the end, if you really have to cut loss then maybe only worth surrendering in the first couple of years.

Of course, best is not to buy in the first place.
 
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