New 10Gbps/5Gbps/6Gbps/3Gbps XGS-PON based plans

[stephenbishop]

Is anyone using the ROG Rapture GT-AXE16000 with dual 10gbps wan/lan ports here? My M1 1gbps plan is coming to the end of the contract, I am planning to switch to Simba's 10gbps (really cheap compared to the rest).

Want to check if any folks here using the above router. I have an existing Wi-Fi mesh setup using Asus routers with LAN connected to all these nodes. I am planning to retain the same setup, but maybe tweak it a little so that my home office can get the full 10gbps benefits from the plan.

What I am thinking:
1) Replace the existing RT-AX88U in the store room (where the fiber terminal is) with AXE16000, and utilize one of its 10gbps ports as WAN to SIMBA equipment (hopefully it's an ONT). The next 10gbps port to connect through LAN to my home office outlet, and the remaining 4 1Gbps LAN ports to the existing Asus routers in the room via the existing LAN outlets.
2) Add a 10Gbps Switch in the home office to connect to the LAN outlet which connects to the 10gbps on AXE16000. Connect the laptop with 10gbps NIC (hopefully there is a usb4 or thunderbolt version), and the remaining equipment (another AX router and 1 NAS) to the same switch.

Will the above work? Any possibility that the LAN cable laid within the wall (I have no idea what CAT they are as I bought a resale) doesn't support the 10gbps connection?

Thanks bros in advance for the advice

I am on SH 10Gbps and my setup is as follows:

TP>ONT>AXE16000 10Gbps WAN port>10 Gbps managed switch> multiple XT8 mesh units with wired backhaul
TP>ONT>AXE16000 10Gbps WAN port>10 Gbps managed switch> multiple 10 Gbps managed switches > multiple 10gbps and 1 Gbps wired devices

The network works great with expected speeds (except SH peak DL is about 4 Gbps on average). All my cabling is CAT6.

One problem I do not have the expertise to fix- the Guest network does not work as all the mesh units are connected with a switch in the middle. Need to download beta software for the AXE16000 which has not been updated for some 18 months and set up a vlan at the router and the switch for the mesh units- sadly beyond my technical capabilities even if the beta software was up to date.

 

[kimsix]

means my pcie slot spoilt. i tried to put my gfx card on it also got light but no screen.

Wonder what’s your motherboard model? Will avoid this brand.

mean time i think you have to buy equivalent model to replace it and send spoil one for rma and sell later

 

[ruffruff]

I am on SH 10Gbps and my setup is as follows:

TP>ONT>AXE16000 10Gbps WAN port>10 Gbps managed switch> multiple XT8 mesh units with wired backhaul
TP>ONT>AXE16000 10Gbps WAN port>10 Gbps managed switch> multiple 10 Gbps managed switches > multiple 10gbps and 1 Gbps wired devices

The network works great with expected speeds (except SH peak DL is about 4 Gbps on average). All my cabling is CAT6.

One problem I do not have the expertise to fix- the Guest network does not work as all the mesh units are connected with a switch in the middle. Need to download beta software for the AXE16000 which has not been updated for some 18 months and set up a vlan at the router and the switch for the mesh units- sadly beyond my technical capabilities even if the beta software was up to date.

Thanks bro for the heads up, I was thinking to have a switch after the axe16000 and all the lan cables from patch panel go into the switch to utilize the 10gbps if capable but your point on the mesh does alert me. I have guest network turn on as well which my friends connect to when they come over for drinks and sing sessions. Maybe I will stick with initial plans to have the 10gbs port connect to my home office room which I will connect my laptop, NAS and printer to. The ax88u router in the room then get decommissioned.

Can you share the model of the 10gbps managed switch that you are using?

 

[xiaofan]

Looks like Starhub SpeedTest server really has some issues with download. Singtel and M1 SpeedTest servers are okay. MR and VQ SpeedTest servers are also good.

Not testing SIMBA SpeedTest server in this post as it is not mature enough. But I will post the results in below post along with other SpeedTest servers.

Singtel 5Gbps plan, using an low power Intel N100 CPU based mini PC running Ubuntu 24.04 Linux desktop for testing.

Singtel ONR -- 10G/2.5G switch -- DAC cable -- Intel N100 CPU based mini PC with Intel 82599ES based dual SFP+ ports

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     1.62 ms   (jitter: 0.09ms, low: 1.57ms, high: 1.70ms)
    Download:  5661.01 Mbps (data used: 7.3 GB)
                  1.14 ms   (jitter: 6.18ms, low: 0.81ms, high: 209.31ms)
      Upload:  4981.44 Mbps (data used: 4.2 GB)
                  6.28 ms   (jitter: 0.43ms, low: 1.75ms, high: 7.40ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/69751195-dee8-4e6c-8854-cadc9eb02f82
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 4235

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: StarHub Ltd - Singapore (id: 4235)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     2.20 ms   (jitter: 0.10ms, low: 2.03ms, high: 2.37ms)
    Download:  1088.01 Mbps (data used: 1.5 GB)
                  1.90 ms   (jitter: 0.17ms, low: 1.57ms, high: 2.53ms)
      Upload:  4921.40 Mbps (data used: 6.1 GB)
                  6.97 ms   (jitter: 0.62ms, low: 2.36ms, high: 12.93ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/b8d52543-b325-43bb-99c8-32a17ccbe94a
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 7311

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: M1 Limited - Singapore (id: 7311)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     2.95 ms   (jitter: 0.15ms, low: 2.82ms, high: 3.15ms)
    Download:  5370.31 Mbps (data used: 6.5 GB)
                  2.68 ms   (jitter: 0.41ms, low: 1.86ms, high: 10.80ms)
      Upload:  4942.41 Mbps (data used: 6.1 GB)
                  7.67 ms   (jitter: 2.74ms, low: 2.75ms, high: 221.98ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/db34169e-0a2f-44e0-b124-a1e91f38389d

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 5935

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: MyRepublic Singapore - Singapore (id: 5935)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     2.73 ms   (jitter: 0.15ms, low: 2.65ms, high: 3.00ms)
    Download:  5558.00 Mbps (data used: 7.1 GB)
                  1.99 ms   (jitter: 0.23ms, low: 1.73ms, high: 10.17ms)
      Upload:  4940.82 Mbps (data used: 3.9 GB)
                  6.25 ms   (jitter: 0.51ms, low: 2.18ms, high: 8.78ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/d3da089a-299e-4994-b28c-9893118fc4a6
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 2054

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: ViewQwest - Singapore (id: 2054)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     2.89 ms   (jitter: 0.32ms, low: 2.67ms, high: 3.23ms)
    Download:  5235.72 Mbps (data used: 6.7 GB)
                  2.45 ms   (jitter: 0.16ms, low: 2.15ms, high: 4.07ms)
      Upload:  4599.85 Mbps (data used: 7.5 GB)
                  3.26 ms   (jitter: 0.99ms, low: 2.16ms, high: 8.34ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/013395e8-938e-496b-b1d3-3596254757f7

 

[stephenbishop]

Can you share the model of the 10gbps managed switch that you are using?

Netgear XS748T - the AXE16000 is connected to this switch. Very capable managed L2+/L3 Lite switch which I got at a really good price on Amazon SG but runs a bit hot and the fans are noisy, so cannot use in a quiet environment.

QNAP QSW-M3216R-8S8T - I use this this switch to connect devices in quiet environments with insufficient ethernet wall ports. Great little managed L2 switch for the price and does not run hot and fans are quiet and so can use in a quiet environment.

 

[natyllek]

Hello guys, I'm a total noob at this, I would appreciate any advice here.

My plan is up for recontracting, currently on MR Ultra 1gbps with TUF AX3000. This plan seems to be obsoleted now. Usage for my household (3 pax) is pretty the norm, no heavy usage of uploading/downloading files. No competitive gaming. Basically, just some online streaming of shows/Netflixing, remote working, etc. Thing is, I dislike buffering on any of the platforms I am on, so that's probably my only requirement.

Never had issues with MR besides the usual scheduled maintenance.

> Would the MR 10gbps TP-link BE805 plan / Asus BE25000 be very much overkill?
> Are any of the WIFI 7 bundled routers/mesh worth the recontract? (any of the plans: 3/10gbps)
> If I recontract the MR 3gbps, do I need to change my router to maximise the 3gbps?
(I have spoken to ASUS support, they mentioned that the WAN port supports only up to 1gbps - this means even with the 3gbps plan, I am not going to get any speeds beyond 1gbps, is this correct? But I am seeing the WIFI 6 5GHz for this router supports up to 2402mbps, if WAN is limited to 1gbps, how does the WIFI 6 get max 2402mbps?)
> Does this mean I have to upgrade my router? Any recommendations?
> MR told me the ONT they will be replacing is a GPON for both 3 and 10 gbps plans, does it also mean it can't support speeds beyond 2.5gbps? Then what is really the point of signing up for the 10 gbps plan?

I'm super confused with all these man!
Appreciate any advice!

 

[xiaofan]

More test results with local SpeedTest servers.

Apparently SIMBA SpeedTest server is not up to standard yet. It is reported that SIMBA users got better results from CTCSCI Tech SpeedTest server.

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 12687

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: SIMBA Telecom - Singapore (id: 12687)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:   203.30 ms   (jitter: 0.28ms, low: 202.95ms, high: 203.52ms)
    Download:  2056.04 Mbps (data used: 3.0 GB)
                306.91 ms   (jitter: 75.64ms, low: 205.37ms, high: 409.89ms)
      Upload:   347.59 Mbps (data used: 592.3 MB)
                310.88 ms   (jitter: 75.48ms, low: 206.73ms, high: 468.92ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/58090e96-1698-47be-af8f-8f6cce51d514

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 26654

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: fdcservers.net - Singapore (id: 26654)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:    37.31 ms   (jitter: 0.08ms, low: 37.13ms, high: 37.41ms)
    Download:  3953.93 Mbps (data used: 6.7 GB)
               1100722910.29 ms   (jitter: 224867.44ms, low: 38.40ms, high: 1100725517.02ms)
      Upload:  2476.12 Mbps (data used: 2.9 GB)
                 40.86 ms   (jitter: 0.96ms, low: 40.30ms, high: 49.13ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/c3fd3b52-d72c-447f-966a-7f8e5c193eed

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 62216

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: CTCSCI TECH LTD - Singapore (id: 62216)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:    35.27 ms   (jitter: 0.06ms, low: 35.17ms, high: 35.34ms)
    Download:  5361.94 Mbps (data used: 7.5 GB)
                 35.53 ms   (jitter: 0.50ms, low: 35.09ms, high: 46.42ms)
      Upload:  1972.32 Mbps (data used: 2.4 GB)
                 34.92 ms   (jitter: 0.52ms, low: 34.51ms, high: 38.56ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/787e282e-22a0-4715-8c09-788c09083766
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 367

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: NewMedia Express - Singapore (id: 367)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     2.99 ms   (jitter: 0.17ms, low: 2.82ms, high: 3.22ms)
    Download:  1475.74 Mbps (data used: 2.4 GB)
                  3.36 ms   (jitter: 1.07ms, low: 2.11ms, high: 17.50ms)
      Upload:  1770.00 Mbps (data used: 3.2 GB)
                  2.57 ms   (jitter: 1.85ms, low: 1.86ms, high: 213.49ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/12c231d9-9c8b-458c-bd32-5f75d3494416
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 31293

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Pacific Internet (S) - Singapore (id: 31293)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     3.43 ms   (jitter: 0.05ms, low: 3.39ms, high: 3.49ms)
    Download:  1767.11 Mbps (data used: 797.8 MB)
                  4.02 ms   (jitter: 0.73ms, low: 3.27ms, high: 8.01ms)
      Upload:   508.97 Mbps (data used: 255.3 MB)
                 22.70 ms   (jitter: 2.33ms, low: 3.27ms, high: 36.32ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/80e30725-188e-4f0d-8ec4-f02660dbcba0
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 13058

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: PT Indosat Tbk - Singapore (id: 13058)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:    67.41 ms   (jitter: 0.04ms, low: 67.35ms, high: 67.46ms)
    Download:  2336.22 Mbps (data used: 2.4 GB)
                 98.50 ms   (jitter: 23.31ms, low: 65.83ms, high: 130.68ms)
      Upload:   994.94 Mbps (data used: 1.8 GB)
                 97.25 ms   (jitter: 23.10ms, low: 65.56ms, high: 129.97ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/a52417f3-f601-4ae9-bccd-83038d25295a
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 7556

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: PT FirstMedia - Singapore (id: 7556)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     2.12 ms   (jitter: 0.16ms, low: 2.03ms, high: 2.29ms)
    Download:  1776.10 Mbps (data used: 2.0 GB)
                  2.11 ms   (jitter: 2.61ms, low: 1.74ms, high: 215.91ms)
      Upload:  1257.81 Mbps (data used: 2.3 GB)
                  2.32 ms   (jitter: 3.06ms, low: 1.96ms, high: 214.48ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/003c1b36-0c3f-45fe-8611-c11227766635
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 47713

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: PT. Mora Telematika Indonesia - Singapore (id: 47713)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     3.85 ms   (jitter: 0.21ms, low: 3.46ms, high: 4.31ms)
    Download:  1831.80 Mbps (data used: 1.6 GB)
                  3.12 ms   (jitter: 3.27ms, low: 2.73ms, high: 216.56ms)
      Upload:  1862.01 Mbps (data used: 2.0 GB)
                  2.76 ms   (jitter: 0.29ms, low: 2.46ms, high: 13.27ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/3cf860f2-6d9b-4ed0-9cfa-e2366d1f954c

 

[stephenbishop]

Looks like Starhub SpeedTest server really has some issues with download. Singtel and M1 SpeedTest servers are okay.

Singtel 5Gbps plan, using an low power Intel N100 CPU based mini PC running Ubuntu 24.04 Linux desktop for testing.

Singtel ONR -- 10G/2.5G switch -- DAC cable -- Intel N100 CPU based mini PC with Intel 82599ES based dual SFP+ ports

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 13623

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Singtel - Singapore (id: 13623)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     1.62 ms   (jitter: 0.09ms, low: 1.57ms, high: 1.70ms)
    Download:  5661.01 Mbps (data used: 7.3 GB)
                  1.14 ms   (jitter: 6.18ms, low: 0.81ms, high: 209.31ms)
      Upload:  4981.44 Mbps (data used: 4.2 GB)
                  6.28 ms   (jitter: 0.43ms, low: 1.75ms, high: 7.40ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/69751195-dee8-4e6c-8854-cadc9eb02f82
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 4235

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: StarHub Ltd - Singapore (id: 4235)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     2.20 ms   (jitter: 0.10ms, low: 2.03ms, high: 2.37ms)
    Download:  1088.01 Mbps (data used: 1.5 GB)
                  1.90 ms   (jitter: 0.17ms, low: 1.57ms, high: 2.53ms)
      Upload:  4921.40 Mbps (data used: 6.1 GB)
                  6.97 ms   (jitter: 0.62ms, low: 2.36ms, high: 12.93ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/b8d52543-b325-43bb-99c8-32a17ccbe94a
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 7311

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: M1 Limited - Singapore (id: 7311)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     2.95 ms   (jitter: 0.15ms, low: 2.82ms, high: 3.15ms)
    Download:  5370.31 Mbps (data used: 6.5 GB)
                  2.68 ms   (jitter: 0.41ms, low: 1.86ms, high: 10.80ms)
      Upload:  4942.41 Mbps (data used: 6.1 GB)
                  7.67 ms   (jitter: 2.74ms, low: 2.75ms, high: 221.98ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/db34169e-0a2f-44e0-b124-a1e91f38389d

Seems okay using the Ookla Windows desktop app.

 

[xiaofan]

Hello guys, I'm a total noob at this, I would appreciate any advice here.

My plan is up for recontracting, currently on MR Ultra 1gbps with TUF AX3000. This plan seems to be obsoleted now. Usage for my household (3 pax) is pretty the norm, no heavy usage of uploading/downloading files. No competitive gaming. Basically, just some online streaming of shows/Netflixing, remote working, etc. Thing is, I dislike buffering on any of the platforms I am on, so that's probably my only requirement.

Never had issues with MR besides the usual scheduled maintenance.

> Would the MR 10gbps TP-link BE805 plan / Asus BE25000 be very much overkill?
> Are any of the WIFI 7 bundled routers/mesh worth the recontract? (any of the plans: 3/10gbps)
> If I recontract the MR 3gbps, do I need to change my router to maximise the 3gbps?
(I have spoken to ASUS support, they mentioned that the WAN port supports only up to 1gbps - this means even with the 3gbps plan, I am not going to get any speeds beyond 1gbps, is this correct? But I am seeing the WIFI 6 5GHz for this router supports up to 2402mbps, if WAN is limited to 1gbps, how does the WIFI 6 get max 2402mbps?)
> Does this mean I have to upgrade my router? Any recommendations?
> MR told me the ONT they will be replacing is a GPON for both 3 and 10 gbps plans, does it also mean it can't support speeds beyond 2.5gbps? Then what is really the point of signing up for the 10 gbps plan?

I'm super confused with all these man!
Appreciate any advice!

1) No such thing as overkill as long as you are willing to pay for it.

If you are willing to pay, by all means go with MR 10Gbps Gamer plan with ROG GT-BE25000. The router will last you at least four to five years (and potentially longers, depending on Asus FW support).

2) RT-AX3000 is a low end WiFi 6 router with internet speed max at 1Gbps (WAN to LAN, WAN to wireless). WiFi spec is a fake marketing thingy. But WiFi speed can be faster than internet speed since it could mean the internal home network speed (LAN to Wireless can be greater than WAN to wireless). But for RT-AX3000 that is unlikely to happen. 2402 Mbps is the PHY speed, real world speed will be much lower. High end router may reach 1.6Gbps or even 1.8Gbps wireless speed. But for low end router like RT-AX3000, you will be happy with 600Mbps to 900Mbps (no matter internet WiFi speed or local WiFi speed).

3) The recommendation will depend on the budget. MR bundled router like Archer BE805 is a good option for 10Gbps. MR bundled Asus ROG GT-BE98 is a flagship 10G capble WiFi 7 router. Both are good options.

For low cost, you can go with MR 3Gbps plan as a true 2.5Gbps plan and use 2.5Gbps capable router like Asus ROG GT-AX6000 or TUF-AX6000. Lowest cost local version is probaly TP-Link Archer BE230. You can get it from MR at S$50 top-up (S$38.99 per month). Please avoid the lousy EX510 option (service provider model).
https://myrepublic.net/sg/tp-link-be230-wi-fi-7-router-3gbps-broadband/

4) The ONT for MR 3Gbps/10Gbps will be XGS-PON type, usually up to about 8.2Gbps download/upload with XGS-PON technology.

 

[xiaofan]

Seems okay using the Ookla Windows desktop app.

Thanks.

I should say Starhub SpeedTest server has some issues when connecting from Singtel. No issues last time with Singtel 1Gbps.

Need to see how well it performs from other 10Gbps users like VQ and SIMBA.

Slightly better results:

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 4235

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: StarHub Ltd - Singapore (id: 4235)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     2.63 ms   (jitter: 0.14ms, low: 2.42ms, high: 2.77ms)
    Download:  1612.11 Mbps (data used: 2.8 GB)
                  1.82 ms   (jitter: 0.17ms, low: 1.54ms, high: 2.42ms)
      Upload:  4922.15 Mbps (data used: 6.2 GB)
                  7.00 ms   (jitter: 0.56ms, low: 2.07ms, high: 11.90ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/4852e2d1-66a4-49d1-99bc-7c05ba040829

 

[stephenbishop]

Thanks.

I should say Starhub SpeedTest server has some issues when connecting from Singtel. No issues last time with Singtel 1Gbps.

Need to see how well it performs from other 10Gbps users from VQ and SIMBA.

Slightly better results:

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 4235

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: StarHub Ltd - Singapore (id: 4235)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     2.63 ms   (jitter: 0.14ms, low: 2.42ms, high: 2.77ms)
    Download:  1612.11 Mbps (data used: 2.8 GB)
                  1.82 ms   (jitter: 0.17ms, low: 1.54ms, high: 2.42ms)
      Upload:  4922.15 Mbps (data used: 6.2 GB)
                  7.00 ms   (jitter: 0.56ms, low: 2.07ms, high: 11.90ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/4852e2d1-66a4-49d1-99bc-7c05ba040829

Starhub to Singtel does not seem too bad...

 

[xiaofan]

Internation SpeedTest server test results.

Quite some servers down from below list.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/fastest-isp.6996674/

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 9436

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Comcast - Sacramento, CA (id: 9436)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:   188.64 ms   (jitter: 0.11ms, low: 188.51ms, high: 188.80ms)
    Download:  2141.13 Mbps (data used: 3.1 GB)
                279.86 ms   (jitter: 73.20ms, low: 183.78ms, high: 650.18ms)
      Upload:   472.65 Mbps (data used: 614.3 MB)
                273.27 ms   (jitter: 72.77ms, low: 182.29ms, high: 364.01ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/fbe2a9ba-0219-4ace-90b3-dfe528492bf0

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 4956

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Celcom Axiata - Kuala Lumpur (id: 4956)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:    79.92 ms   (jitter: 0.07ms, low: 79.79ms, high: 79.98ms)
    Download:  4284.14 Mbps (data used: 7.2 GB)
                126.37 ms   (jitter: 40.21ms, low: 84.31ms, high: 167.63ms)
      Upload:  1291.25 Mbps (data used: 1.6 GB)
                121.06 ms   (jitter: 37.46ms, low: 80.36ms, high: 162.44ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/f8b0d6b7-713b-40ab-ae73-24f2fa04be7b

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 44340

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Telstra International - Hong Kong (id: 44340)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:    34.86 ms   (jitter: 0.15ms, low: 34.76ms, high: 35.10ms)
    Download:  3420.09 Mbps (data used: 5.6 GB)
                 37.20 ms   (jitter: 1.62ms, low: 36.50ms, high: 60.35ms)
      Upload:  1984.98 Mbps (data used: 2.4 GB)
                 36.18 ms   (jitter: 4.08ms, low: 35.51ms, high: 322.64ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/0659dbe5-394c-43c8-a227-f8bd18f69e79

 

[natyllek]

1) No such thing as overkill as long as you are willing to pay for it.

If you are willing to pay, by all means go with MR 10Gbps Gamer plan with ROG GT-BE25000. The router will last you at least four to five years (and potentially longers, depending on Asus FW support).

2) RT-AX3000 is a low end WiFi 6 router with internet speed max at 1Gbps (WAN to LAN, WAN to wireless). WiFi spec is a fake marketing thingy. But WiFi speed can be faster than internet speed since it could mean the internal home network speed (LAN to Wireless can be greater than WAN to wireless). But for RT-AX3000 that is unlikely to happen. 2402 Mbps is the PHY speed, real world speed will be much lower. High end router may reach 1.6Gbps or even 1.8Gbps wireless speed. But for low end router like RT-AX3000, you will be happy with 600Mbps to 900Mbps (no matter internet WiFi speed or local WiFi speed).

3) The recommendation will depend on the budget. MR bundled router like Archer BE805 is a good option for 10Gbps. MR bundled Asus ROG GT-BE98 is a flagship 10G capble WiFi 7 router. Both are good options.

For low cost, you can go with MR 3Gbps plan as a true 2.5Gbps plan and use 2.5Gbps capable router like Asus ROG GT-AX6000 or TUF-AX6000. Lowest cost local version is probaly TP-Link Archer BE230. You can get it from MR at S$50 top-up (S$38.99 per month). Please avoid the lousy EX510 option (service provider model).

4) The ONT for MR 3Gbps/10Gbps will be XGS-PON type, usually up to about 8.2Gbps download/upload with XGS-PON technology.

Hey thank you! How about VQ bundled eero Max 7? I have never tried VQ, been with MR for the past 10 years at least.

I understand that it all depends on budget and usage, but all these terms and specs are killing my cells, making it hard to decide. I need a set up which is capable of maximising the speed with the plan I’m going to sign up and with economical sense. TBH, my current 1gbps seems sufficient for me, which is why I thought 10gbps is kinda overkill.

Does it make more sense to sign up with MR No frills 3gbps and get BE805 separately if BE805 is good option? Or is AX6000 better? Or should I just stick with BE230 since it’s the most cost effective? I read that BE230 has 2.5gbps WAN, does this mean that BE230 can grant higher speed than my current router?

Are any of the above routers kinda future proof? Or at least last another 2-4 years? I’m not sure if BE230 has good range, with my current router, there isn’t any dead zones…

 

[Henry Ng]

Now Comex Show but SH very little promotion for homehub and only have 5Gbps plan. 10 Gbps plan all the same as standard promotion. Then why rent at Comex Show?

 

[Mach3.2]

More test results with local SpeedTest servers.

Apparently SIMBA SpeedTest server is not up to standard yet. It is reported that SIMBA users got better results from CTCSCI Tech SpeedTest server.

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 12687

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: SIMBA Telecom - Singapore (id: 12687)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:   203.30 ms   (jitter: 0.28ms, low: 202.95ms, high: 203.52ms)
    Download:  2056.04 Mbps (data used: 3.0 GB)
                306.91 ms   (jitter: 75.64ms, low: 205.37ms, high: 409.89ms)
      Upload:   347.59 Mbps (data used: 592.3 MB)
                310.88 ms   (jitter: 75.48ms, low: 206.73ms, high: 468.92ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/58090e96-1698-47be-af8f-8f6cce51d514

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 26654

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: fdcservers.net - Singapore (id: 26654)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:    37.31 ms   (jitter: 0.08ms, low: 37.13ms, high: 37.41ms)
    Download:  3953.93 Mbps (data used: 6.7 GB)
               1100722910.29 ms   (jitter: 224867.44ms, low: 38.40ms, high: 1100725517.02ms)
      Upload:  2476.12 Mbps (data used: 2.9 GB)
                 40.86 ms   (jitter: 0.96ms, low: 40.30ms, high: 49.13ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/c3fd3b52-d72c-447f-966a-7f8e5c193eed

mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 62216

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: CTCSCI TECH LTD - Singapore (id: 62216)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:    35.27 ms   (jitter: 0.06ms, low: 35.17ms, high: 35.34ms)
    Download:  5361.94 Mbps (data used: 7.5 GB)
                 35.53 ms   (jitter: 0.50ms, low: 35.09ms, high: 46.42ms)
      Upload:  1972.32 Mbps (data used: 2.4 GB)
                 34.92 ms   (jitter: 0.52ms, low: 34.51ms, high: 38.56ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/787e282e-22a0-4715-8c09-788c09083766
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 367

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: NewMedia Express - Singapore (id: 367)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     2.99 ms   (jitter: 0.17ms, low: 2.82ms, high: 3.22ms)
    Download:  1475.74 Mbps (data used: 2.4 GB)
                  3.36 ms   (jitter: 1.07ms, low: 2.11ms, high: 17.50ms)
      Upload:  1770.00 Mbps (data used: 3.2 GB)
                  2.57 ms   (jitter: 1.85ms, low: 1.86ms, high: 213.49ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/12c231d9-9c8b-458c-bd32-5f75d3494416
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 31293

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: Pacific Internet (S) - Singapore (id: 31293)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     3.43 ms   (jitter: 0.05ms, low: 3.39ms, high: 3.49ms)
    Download:  1767.11 Mbps (data used: 797.8 MB)
                  4.02 ms   (jitter: 0.73ms, low: 3.27ms, high: 8.01ms)
      Upload:   508.97 Mbps (data used: 255.3 MB)
                 22.70 ms   (jitter: 2.33ms, low: 3.27ms, high: 36.32ms)
 Packet Loss: Not available.
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/80e30725-188e-4f0d-8ec4-f02660dbcba0
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 13058

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: PT Indosat Tbk - Singapore (id: 13058)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:    67.41 ms   (jitter: 0.04ms, low: 67.35ms, high: 67.46ms)
    Download:  2336.22 Mbps (data used: 2.4 GB)
                 98.50 ms   (jitter: 23.31ms, low: 65.83ms, high: 130.68ms)
      Upload:   994.94 Mbps (data used: 1.8 GB)
                 97.25 ms   (jitter: 23.10ms, low: 65.56ms, high: 129.97ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/a52417f3-f601-4ae9-bccd-83038d25295a
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 7556

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: PT FirstMedia - Singapore (id: 7556)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     2.12 ms   (jitter: 0.16ms, low: 2.03ms, high: 2.29ms)
    Download:  1776.10 Mbps (data used: 2.0 GB)
                  2.11 ms   (jitter: 2.61ms, low: 1.74ms, high: 215.91ms)
      Upload:  1257.81 Mbps (data used: 2.3 GB)
                  2.32 ms   (jitter: 3.06ms, low: 1.96ms, high: 214.48ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/003c1b36-0c3f-45fe-8611-c11227766635
mcuee@miniroute10g:~/build/speedtest$ ./speedtest -s 47713

   Speedtest by Ookla

      Server: PT. Mora Telematika Indonesia - Singapore (id: 47713)
         ISP: Singtel Fibre
Idle Latency:     3.85 ms   (jitter: 0.21ms, low: 3.46ms, high: 4.31ms)
    Download:  1831.80 Mbps (data used: 1.6 GB)
                  3.12 ms   (jitter: 3.27ms, low: 2.73ms, high: 216.56ms)
      Upload:  1862.01 Mbps (data used: 2.0 GB)
                  2.76 ms   (jitter: 0.29ms, low: 2.46ms, high: 13.27ms)
 Packet Loss:     0.0%
  Result URL: https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/3cf860f2-6d9b-4ed0-9cfa-e2366d1f954c

No issues with testing against Simba's speedtest server from VQ also.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/648d2f8f-0b2d-4283-9c74-6d52379cb870

 

[xiaofan]

Hey thank you! How about VQ bundled eero Max 7? I have never tried VQ, been with MR for the past 10 years at least.

I understand that it all depends on budget and usage, but all these terms and specs are killing my cells, making it hard to decide. I need a set up which is capable of maximising the speed with the plan I’m going to sign up and with economical sense. TBH, my current 1gbps seems sufficient for me, which is why I thought 10gbps is kinda overkill.

Does it make more sense to sign up with MR No frills 3gbps and get BE805 separately if BE805 is good option? Or is AX6000 better? Or should I just stick with BE230 since it’s the most cost effective? I read that BE230 has 2.5gbps WAN, does this mean that BE230 can grant higher speed than my current router?

Are any of the above routers kinda future proof? Or at least last another 2-4 years? I’m not sure if BE230 has good range, with my current router, there isn’t any dead zones…

eero Max 7 is not really a good one to go as it costs money to have basic security features.

If you are comfortable with MR, stick with MR.

If you are used to Asus, stick with Asus. Therefore it is probably better to go with Asus ROG GT-AX6000 (or lower cost TUF-AX6000) if you want to go with MR 3Gbps no-frills plan.

Hard to say what is future proof now that the government is pushing for 10Gbps for 50% household in 2028. If you want to be future proof for 4 years or even 6 years, then the ROG GT-BE25000 is a really good one. Or at least the TP-Link Archer BE805 (with dual 10Gbps port).

 

[xiaofan]

No issues with testing against Simba's speedtest server from VQ also.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/648d2f8f-0b2d-4283-9c74-6d52379cb870

Thanks. Good results but probably not good enough to say SIMBA SpeedTest server is good, since you are using 3Gbps plan. Need to see the results those who subscribe to 5Gbps and 10Gbps plan.

As far as I read, SIMBA SpeedTest server is not up to standard even for SIMBA 10Gbps users, who have reported better results using CTCSCI Tech SpeedTest server.

Good thing is that now we can say VQ 3Gbps/5Gbps/10Gbps are up to standard, no speed drop issues like SH/MR 10Gbps plan users.

 

[xiaofan]

Starhub to Singtel does not seem too bad...

Nice results.

Would you please help to test against SIMBA SpeedTest server? Thanks.

 

[xiaofan]

Netgear XS748T - the AXE16000 is connected to this switch. Very capable managed L2+/L3 Lite switch which I got at a really good price on Amazon SG but runs a bit hot and the fans are noisy, so cannot use in a quiet environment.

QNAP QSW-M3216R-8S8T - I use this this switch to connect devices in quiet environments with insufficient ethernet wall ports. Great little managed L2 switch for the price and does not run hot and fans are quiet and so can use in a quiet environment.

Wow, the Netgear XS748T is really a big one for home use with 44 x 10G Ethernet ports and 4 x 1G/10G SFP+ ports. You are really running heavy home lab stuff. I guess when you say good price, that is still a few thousand SGDs...

Even the QNAP QSW-M3216R-8S8T is not a small thing with eight 10GbE SFP+ fiber ports and eight 10GbE RJ45 ports. List price is at US$599.

 

[xiaofan]

Now Comex Show but SH very little promotion for homehub and only have 5Gbps plan. 10 Gbps plan all the same as standard promotion. Then why rent at Comex Show?

That is normal lah. usually IT show is not the best to sign up with ISP plans.

In reality, nowadays IT show got any use meh?