New 10Gbps/5Gbps/6Gbps/3Gbps XGS-PON based plans

[morimorimori]

Apparently the link is only sent by email. But if you know the address they ll suck thumb.

 

[WaterDrinker]

The starhub $30 5gbps plan would be perfect if it came with an ONT or the ONR can be bridged. Can any of those be done?

 

[cscs3]

Anyone on VQ 3G plan?

 

[Groudon]

MR's EIE Singapore links continue to be congested again every evening for the last week or two:

 

[abstrax]

Anyone on VQ 3G plan?

Just recon on 27th July. Below is the speedtest for VQ 3Gbps :

 

[xiaofan]

The starhub $30 5gbps plan would be perfect if it came with an ONT or the ONR can be bridged. Can any of those be done?

Need to wait for the confirmation whether it is possible to change to ONT.

Bridging of the Nokia ONR is only possible if you can get the installer to share you the one-time super-admin password. And they may not share if they follow Starhub's SOP.

It seems to me this is a speical offer which may not last long -- it is basically not a public offer.
https://www.starhub.com/personal/st...speed-5gbps-onr-at-2955_ultraspeed-5gbps.html

 

[Henry Ng]

Just recon on 27th July. Below is the speedtest for VQ 3Gbps :

Quite ok.

 

[Henry Ng]

The starhub $30 5gbps plan would be perfect if it came with an ONT or the ONR can be bridged. Can any of those be done?

You can go down to ask them.

 

[MArVeLIciOUS888]

$45 with ONR. But I requested to change for ONT Tp-Link EB810v. Additional $15/mth.

So, $60/mth for 1st year. $100/mth for 2nd year.

I did exactly the same earlier this week .

Recontracted from my old plan which ran out earlier this year. Was tempted to go for the Simba 10Gb $29.99 earlier this year, but decided to wait till now as my EPL $25 contract was also going to expire in July.

This plan is unbeatable, even if you do piece-meal subscription to Simba $29.99, EPL Young Fans $20.36, Sportsplus $24.98, etc.

 

[Henry Ng]

I did exactly the same earlier this week .

Recontracted from my old plan which ran out earlier this year. Was tempted to go for the Simba 10Gb $29.99 earlier this year, but decided to wait till now as my EPL $25 contract was also going to expire in July.

This plan is unbeatable, even if you do piece-meal subscription to Simba $29.99, EPL Young Fans $20.36, Sportsplus $24.98, etc.

More value for $

 

[kimsix]

sports+ can watch fa cup now, so starfug has all the football content for bbfa!

 

[xiaofan]

sports+ can watch fa cup now, so starfug has all the football content for bbfa!

Need to watch soccer, go for Starhub.

I have just updated the first post on Singapore ISP comparison.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/singapore-isp-comparisons.6665380/

Updates for Year 2024. The following are just my personal opinion. YMMV.
Last update on 4-August-2024

1) For existing users of any ISPs: no switching of ISP unless if you got issues or you got very good offers from the other ISPs.

2) Recommendation for new sign-up:
a) M1 500Mbps/1Gbps plan
b) M1/Starhub 2Gbps plan if you want to get a higher end router with dual WAN load balancing
c) WC 2.5Gbps plan if you do not mind using ONR and only want to have a low cost and stable plan.
d) VQ 3Gbps plan is worth considering especially for power users
e) SH 5Gbps plan is worth considering if you opt to go with the ONT
f) SH 10Gbps plan is the way to go if you need EPL.

 

[Henry Ng]

Need to watch soccer, go for Starhub.

I have just updated the first post on Singapore ISP comparison.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/singapore-isp-comparisons.6665380/

I just received an email from SH:

Our technical team has completed their investigation and found that a speed of 6-7 Gbps is considered a good result given the current setup. It is not always possible to achieve a perfect 7-8 Gbps due to the fact that the entire user base at the Optical Line Terminal (OLT) shares a total bandwidth of 40 Gbps.

Please let us know if you have any further questions or need additional assistance.

Then i wrote:

I refer to your email below. I am getting only 3Gbps+. I understand that Starhub has applied for the IMDA grant to upgrade its backend equipment. Can I know when will this backend equipment upgrade start and complete? Please reply. Thanks.

SH replied:

Thank you for your email.

We understand your interest in knowing the start and completion dates for the equipment upgrade. At this time, we do not have specific details regarding the timing of the upgrade.

Rest assured, we will inform you as soon as we have more information. If you have any other questions or need further assistance, please feel free to reach out.

Thank you for your patience.

Then i asked them why they said i am getting 6-7 Gbps when i am actually getting 3Gbps during peak hours? Pending their reply.

 

[LiLAsN]

I just received an email from SH:

Our technical team has completed their investigation and found that a speed of 6-7 Gbps is considered a good result given the current setup. It is not always possible to achieve a perfect 7-8 Gbps due to the fact that the entire user base at the Optical Line Terminal (OLT) shares a total bandwidth of 40 Gbps.

Please let us know if you have any further questions or need additional assistance.

Then i wrote:

I refer to your email below. I am getting only 3Gbps+. I understand that Starhub has applied for the IMDA grant to upgrade its backend equipment. Can I know when will this backend equipment upgrade start and complete? Please reply. Thanks.

SH replied:

Thank you for your email.

We understand your interest in knowing the start and completion dates for the equipment upgrade. At this time, we do not have specific details regarding the timing of the upgrade.

Rest assured, we will inform you as soon as we have more information. If you have any other questions or need further assistance, please feel free to reach out.

Thank you for your patience.

Then i asked them why they said i am getting 6-7 Gbps when i am actually getting 3Gbps during peak hours? Pending their reply.

So the entire user base at your block shares a total bandwidth of 40Gbps? Interesting info there. So that is how much the ISP has allocated to your block or area out of the total amount of bandwidth that they bought.

 

[xiaofan]

So the entire user base at your block shares a total bandwidth of 40Gbps? Interesting info there. So that is how much the ISP has allocated to your block or area out of the total amount of bandwidth that they bought.

That is actually normal, all the users connected to the OLT will share the uplink bandwidth (40Gbps, 100Gbps, etc).

If you read @Mach3.2's post, he even thinks that up to 24 (split ratio for Singapore ISP as per IMDA regulation) users will share 10Gbps bandwidth. He may well be correct (at least for the download bandwidth) even though I have my doubts.

An OLT may support multiple of these 24 users, so 40Gbps can actually be shared by more than 24 users, say 48 or 72 or 96 users.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...ved-by-upgrading-onr-firmware.6916918/page-44

It's still time slicing the same 10Gbps. When someone transmit, other's can't.

What i was driving at is it's a shared link between 24 people. So long someone on the same PON port is downloading stuff, your available bandwidth will be limited.

The 40GbE OLT uplink will only become the bottleneck if the cumulative traffic from the OLT's PON ports max out at 40Gbps.

 

[xiaofan]

So the entire user base at your block shares a total bandwidth of 40Gbps? Interesting info there. So that is how much the ISP has allocated to your block or area out of the total amount of bandwidth that they bought.

You can also read the post by @TanKianW.

Not getting into the technicality of fibre network distribution/transmission (or transport?). Logically there will still be a "core router" (capable of BGP, OSPF) upstream or up-up-up upstream (also shown in the diagram of the Cisco documentation). So if it is only allocated 40G (using ISP grade QoS or bandwidth limiters) or capable, that is the max it goes when everyone fighting for it. ISPs will tend to be conservative by setting limiters to prevent overloading their system during peaks to prevent downtimes. But an ISP network could be much more complex than that (or more str forward and boring? hope not contradicting myself!? ).

Imagine several domains of Autonomous Systems (AS) fighting for bandwidth during peak, the max bandwidth could be much lesser even if it could support 40G. Always imagine the big pipe comes with a bigger pipe, a bigger-er pipe, a bigger-er-er pipe. But if water is only that much.......there is only so much for distribution.

A good read will be on the BGP/OSPF that powers our internet network today. Or just get a few MikroTiks to start practising setting up your OSPF zones/areas at home!

@Mach3.2 pretty much hit the point.​

 

[xiaofan]

Just an OLT example from Ubiquiti.
https://sg.store.ui.com/sg/en/collections/uisp-fiber-basestation-xgs-pon

If I read the datasheet correctly, I can see the following.
1) Uplink capacity is 100Gbps: (4) 25G SFP28 uplink ports
2) Support 8 PON ports and up to 2048 clients (8 x 256 = 2048 since XGS-PON split ratio can be up to 256). In Singapore we assume the split ratio is 24, then it can support up to 192 users.
https://community.fs.com/article/gp...pon-technology-is-right-for-your-network.html
3) So up to 192 users will share 100Gbps uplink capacity.

Hopefully the ISP insiders can chime in to check if my understanding is correct or not.

Hopefully the expert can also help to check if @Mach3.2's understanding is correct or not (up to 24 users will share the bandwidth of single PON port, which is 10Gbps for XGS-PON OLT).

 

[nezz78]

My speed on SingTel 5Gbps Enhanced. Is the upload speed normal?
https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/d/678260970

 

[xiaofan]

My speed on SingTel 5Gbps Enhanced. Is the upload speed normal?
https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/d/678260970

Download speed is good but something wrong with the upload. Maybe you want to test again later.

 

[Henry Ng]

My speed on SingTel 5Gbps Enhanced. Is the upload speed normal?
https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/d/678260970

reboot your router then speed test.