New HDB BTO Flat - How do you connect your Home Fiber Network

[giraffey]

Hey guys,

I was on the line, with linksys support and he mention that for a 1Gbps connection its normal to get a wifi speed of up to 300 plus mb/s.

Test via ethernet direct from the modem shows a speed of 1gb/s. But the moment it goes through the router, the speed drops to 300 plus mb/s. This is standing right in front of the wifi.

Any advice on whether what the support says its true? that 300mb/s is normal?

If your intention is to get close to 1gbps on your wifi, you would need to get an AX wireless router/AP. This is also subjected if the client can support these speeds). Otherwise, it is normal to get 300 on a AC wireless router/AP (already considered good).

 

[xiaofan]

Hey guys,

I was on the line, with linksys support and he mention that for a 1Gbps connection its normal to get a wifi speed of up to 300 plus mb/s.

Test via ethernet direct from the modem shows a speed of 1gb/s. But the moment it goes through the router, the speed drops to 300 plus mb/s. This is standing right in front of the wifi.

Any advice on whether what the support says its true? that 300mb/s is normal?

Which Linksys router and which client device? 300Mbps is kind of normal for average router and client. But a better combination of good AC routers and AC clients can probably get you something like 400Mbps-600Mbps.

One popular Linksys router is the low end EA8100.
Review here:
https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/rev...-right-now/performance-analysis-conclusion-11

The HWZ reviewer gets higher than 400Mbps at close range but he is using a very good 3*3 AC client (theoretical max speed 1300Mbps) the Macbook Pro. Typical phone or Windows laptop only have 2*2 AC (theoretical max speed 866Mbps).

 

[gregory_choo]

Hey guys,

I was on the line, with linksys support and he mention that for a 1Gbps connection its normal to get a wifi speed of up to 300 plus mb/s.

Test via ethernet direct from the modem shows a speed of 1gb/s. But the moment it goes through the router, the speed drops to 300 plus mb/s. This is standing right in front of the wifi.

Any advice on whether what the support says its true? that 300mb/s is normal?

what is the device under test? if the result is not as good as you think, it could be due to the device, not the router.

BTW, what applications are you running? is 300Mbps not sufficient?

 

[Apex]

Hey guys,

I was on the line, with linksys support and he mention that for a 1Gbps connection its normal to get a wifi speed of up to 300 plus mb/s.

Test via ethernet direct from the modem shows a speed of 1gb/s. But the moment it goes through the router, the speed drops to 300 plus mb/s. This is standing right in front of the wifi.

Any advice on whether what the support says its true? that 300mb/s is normal?

Wifi speed is subjected to

1. Router wifi spec
2. Your device wifi spec (phone/laptop/tv and etc)
3. Your environment (router placement, device how far away from router and surrounding wifi from neighbor)


Speed on wifi can be from as

low around 10 - 60MB/s
average 100 - 250MB/s
Fast 400 - 800MB/s (high end device)

 

[nzijun]

Hi guys, just renovated my 5-rm BTO and looking for networking help. Have been reading this post and others as well, so I understand a little bit, but still am quite new to this since I haven't done it myself. Looking forward to receiving your advice and comments.

I'm intending to sign a 1Gbps subscription since I read that 2Gbps is unrealistic to achieve right now since most equipment are not prepared for it. If you have any recommendations on ISPs, I would be glad to hear it.

My plan now is to use the default router provided by the telco to connect to the ONT, and then connect a 5-port switch to link up the CAT6 points in my house, and then at connect an AP at my living room and study room (which is Bedroom 2, see below diagram).

Any comments on this layout and any recommendations on what gear I should get? I hear a lot of good things said here about Ubiquiti but not sure what exactly should I get. I know AX routers are the only way to get anywhere near 1Gbps wireless, but not sure which are better/worse. I'm not a serious gamer but good speeds would be appreciated also.

If anyone has any recommendations, please do let me know, thank you in advance.

 

[magix]

Hi guys, just renovated my 5-rm BTO and looking for networking help. Have been reading this post and others as well, so I understand a little bit, but still am quite new to this since I haven't done it myself. Looking forward to receiving your advice and comments.

I'm intending to sign a 1Gbps subscription since I read that 2Gbps is unrealistic to achieve right now since most equipment are not prepared for it. If you have any recommendations on ISPs, I would be glad to hear it.

My plan now is to use the default router provided by the telco to connect to the ONT, and then connect a 5-port switch to link up the CAT6 points in my house, and then at connect an AP at my living room and study room (which is Bedroom 2, see below diagram).

Any comments on this layout and any recommendations on what gear I should get? I hear a lot of good things said here about Ubiquiti but not sure what exactly should I get. I know AX routers are the only way to get anywhere near 1Gbps wireless, but not sure which are better/worse. I'm not a serious gamer but good speeds would be appreciated also.

If anyone has any recommendations, please do let me know, thank you in advance.

Since most ISP provide router for new sign up. So most ISP should be fine for you.
Do take note Singtel use ONR + VLAN so selecting of network equipment and configuration is different from the others.

You can look at M1, SH and MR.

IF you can wall mount the Ubiquiti AP between bedroom 2 and 3. You should get a good wifi coverage around your 5rm.
Otherwise you can consider a AX mesh system if you are interested in WIFI6(Ax) FROM tpLINK OR asus

 

[xiaofan]

For selection of ISP 500Mbps/1000Mbps plan, you can refer to my simple summary in the ONT vs ONR thread.

Minor modifications added here.

SingTel is stable for me but many power users do not like ONR. ONT is more flexible.

1. SingTel : pretty complicated. New users will get ONR. 2Gbps user must use ONR. Existing 500Mbps and 1Gbps user may continue to use ONT, vlan required.

Public IP: yes
Static IP: no static IP add-on

For ONR users, Vlan is handled by the ONR. ONR will be the main router. Your router will need to be configured as AP to avoid double NAT. You can try asking SingTel to bridge the ONR.

SingTel 1+1Gbps plan, the ONR will be configured as three port ONR and one port ONT, I believe that ONT port does not require vlan.

Certain users have asked Singtel to provide a special configuration for the ONR, three ports for SingTel TV only without internet access, one port ONT without vlan.

2. Whizcomms
Public IP: yes
Whizcomms provides ONR, but you can ask them to configure the ONR in ONT mode prior to installation without charges. No Vlan needed.

3.M1
Public IP, ONT, no vlan needed.

4.Starhub
Public IP, ONT, no vlan needed.
Starhub uses different ONT ports to deliver Fibre Internet and Fibre TV.

Starhub 2Gbps plan: ONT port 1 and ONT port 3 used to deliver 2x1Gbps connection, ONT port 2 for Starhub Fibre TV

5. MyRepublic
Carrier Grade NAT, free Static IP subscription for MyRepublic Customers, one time charge of S$50.
https://myrepublic.net/sg/add-ons/static-ip/

MR caps upload speed to 500Mbps for the 1Gbps plan.

MyRepublic Fibre Broadband Typical Speed Information

MR offers 2Gbps plan as well.

6.Viewquest
1Gbps plan: ONT
2Gbps plan: ONR (2Gbps one network plan)
Static IP provided for free, no one time charge.
Ref: https://viewqwest.com/internet/2gbps

 

[gregory_choo]

Hi guys, just renovated my 5-rm BTO and looking for networking help. Have been reading this post and others as well, so I understand a little bit, but still am quite new to this since I haven't done it myself. Looking forward to receiving your advice and comments.

I'm intending to sign a 1Gbps subscription since I read that 2Gbps is unrealistic to achieve right now since most equipment are not prepared for it. If you have any recommendations on ISPs, I would be glad to hear it.

My plan now is to use the default router provided by the telco to connect to the ONT, and then connect a 5-port switch to link up the CAT6 points in my house, and then at connect an AP at my living room and study room (which is Bedroom 2, see below diagram).

Any comments on this layout and any recommendations on what gear I should get? I hear a lot of good things said here about Ubiquiti but not sure what exactly should I get. I know AX routers are the only way to get anywhere near 1Gbps wireless, but not sure which are better/worse. I'm not a serious gamer but good speeds would be appreciated also.

If anyone has any recommendations, please do let me know, thank you in advance.

what are the applications that need such high bandwidth? if the servers are not located in singapore, you are lucky to have 50Mbps, even you subscribed to 2Gbps.

 

[Extremme]

For selection of ISP 500Mbps/1000Mbps plan, you can refer to my simple summary in the ONT vs ONR thread.

Minor modifications added here.

SingTel is stable for me but many power users do not like ONR. ONT is more flexible.

2. Whizcomms
Public IP: yes
Whizcomms provides ONR, but you can ask them to configure the ONR in ONT mode prior to installation without charges. No Vlan needed.

I am planning to get Whizcomms. Why is there a need to configuer ONR to be ONT?

 

[xiaofan]

I am planning to get Whizcomms. Why is there a need to configuer ONR to be ONT?

If you plan to use your own good router, then it is better to get ONT.

If you get ONR, ONR will be the main router in the network, you have to do either one of the following.

1) use your router as a router and this will cause double NAT. Double NAT does not affect internet browsing but may affect remote access or online gaming.
https://kb.netgear.com/30186/What-is-Double-NAT

2) use your router as an AP, you will lost quite a bit of features of your router.

 

[Extremme]

If you plan to use your own good router, then it is better to get ONT.

If you get ONR, ONR will be the main router in the network, you have to do either one of the following.

1) use your router as a router and this will cause double NAT. Double NAT does not affect internet browsing but may affect remote access or online gaming.
https://kb.netgear.com/30186/What-is-Double-NAT

2) use your router as an AP, you will lost quite a bit of features of your router.

So my DB Box area is at the Yellow portion. Will ask Whizcomm to convert to ONT. I have a lan point at the blue zone where my router is. The router will be connected via lan from the lan point at blue zone. That is all it needs right

https://imgur.com/a/fuvihj0

 

[Repsol_2]

Thanks bro.. That is sad news for me.... Does that also mean i cannot convert those RJ11 points to RJ45 to make it a LAN point ? I read somewhere in this forum that it can be done ?

Can be done. I converted mine. All rooms have LAN.

Posted by my mum. HardwareZone Forums app

 

[Repsol_2]

I understand new HDB BTO flats come with structured data cabling.

Anyone able to share their fiber network schematic?
As in how you wire up your home with or without the patch points provided?

I want to understand where the Fiber termination point will be and where do you install your modem, router, etc.

Tks.

Here it is in my DB.

Posted by my mum. HardwareZone Forums app

 

[giraffey]

So my DB Box area is at the Yellow portion. Will ask Whizcomm to convert to ONT. I have a lan point at the blue zone where my router is. The router will be connected via lan from the lan point at blue zone. That is all it needs right

https://imgur.com/a/fuvihj0

If you are not intending to use another lan point in the house, your setup is fine. But if you are using the db box as a patch panel to all the lan points, the router needs to be placed at the db box. Otherwise, configure the modem as ONR and your wireless router as an access point.

 

[giraffey]

Hi guys, just renovated my 5-rm BTO and looking for networking help. Have been reading this post and others as well, so I understand a little bit, but still am quite new to this since I haven't done it myself. Looking forward to receiving your advice and comments.

I'm intending to sign a 1Gbps subscription since I read that 2Gbps is unrealistic to achieve right now since most equipment are not prepared for it. If you have any recommendations on ISPs, I would be glad to hear it.

My plan now is to use the default router provided by the telco to connect to the ONT, and then connect a 5-port switch to link up the CAT6 points in my house, and then at connect an AP at my living room and study room (which is Bedroom 2, see below diagram).

Any comments on this layout and any recommendations on what gear I should get? I hear a lot of good things said here about Ubiquiti but not sure what exactly should I get. I know AX routers are the only way to get anywhere near 1Gbps wireless, but not sure which are better/worse. I'm not a serious gamer but good speeds would be appreciated also.

If anyone has any recommendations, please do let me know, thank you in advance.

The setup should be either if this:
- ONT > Router > (add switch if need more lan points) > Patch Panel
- ONR > (add switch if need more lan points) > Patch Panel
Note: Not all ISPs/plans come with the router even if they give ONT.

On whether you should opt for Ubiquiti:
- It requires some networking knowledge
- Their APs are not wifi6 (ax) yet.
- Unifi series APs are quite pretty if you can wall or ceiling mount. They can be poe powered which minimises the need to run a power cable.
- Additionally, being a prosumer product, it allows flexibility and stability, it would be a good choice if you know what to do.

 

[xiaofan]

So my DB Box area is at the Yellow portion. Will ask Whizcomm to convert to ONT. I have a lan point at the blue zone where my router is. The router will be connected via lan from the lan point at blue zone. That is all it needs right

https://imgur.com/a/fuvihj0

How many LAN ports do you have in the blue zone? One or two? Do you have LAN ports in the rooms, especially master room? What is the wireless router you intend to use? Do you have spare wireless router as well?

A few points.

1) ONR may be easier for you, especially if you only have one LAN port in the blue region.

2) Single wireless router/AP may not cover the master room well enough.

3) Assuming you have only one LAN port in blue region and have LAN port in the master room, then the following configuration is easy.

ONR -- patch panel port - LAN port in blue region -- main AP in living room

ONR -- patch panel port - LAN port in master room -- secondary AP in master room

ONR -- patch panel port - LAN port in bedroom 1 -- wired connection to PC/Laptop/etc

ONR -- patch panel port - LAN port in bedroom 2 -- wired connection to PC/Laptop/etc

4) Assuming you have two LAN ports in blue region and have LAN port in the master room, then the following configuration is possible. You need to add a dumb switch in the DB area.

ONT -- patch panel port - LAN port 1 in blue region -- main wireless router in living room

Wireless router LAN port -- LAN port 2 in blue region -- patch panel port - switch in DB box

Switch LAN port -- patch panel port - LAN port in master room -- AP in master room

Switch LAN port -- patch panel port - LAN port in bedroom 1 -- wired connection to PC/Laptop/etc

Switch LAN port - patch panel port - LAN port in bedroom 2 -- wired connection to PC/Laptop/etc

 

[Repsol_2]

How many LAN ports do you have in the blue zone? One or two? Do you have LAN ports in the rooms, especially master room?

A few points.

1) ONR may be easier for you, especially if you only have one LAN port in the blue region.

2) Single wireless router/AP may not cover the master room well enough.

3) Assuming you have only one LAN port in blue region and have LAN port in the master room, then the following configuration is easy.

ONR -- patch panel port - LAN port in blue region -- AP in living room

ONR -- patch panel port - LAN port in master room -- AP in master room

ONR -- patch panel port - LAN port in bedroom 1 -- wired connection to PC/Laptop/etc

ONR -- patch panel port - LAN port in bedroom 2 -- wired connection to PC/Laptop/etc

4) Assuming you have two LAN ports in blue region and have LAN port in the master room, then the following configuration is possible. You need to add a dumb switch in the DB area.

ONT -- patch panel port - LAN port 1 in blue region -- main wireless router in living room

Wireless router LAN port -- LAN port 2 in blue region -- patch panel port - switch in DB box

Switch LAN port -- patch panel port - LAN port in master room -- AP in master room

Switch LAN port -- patch panel port - LAN port in bedroom 1 -- wired connection to PC/Laptop/etc

Switch LAN port - patch panel port - LAN port in bedroom 2 -- wired connection to PC/Laptop/etc

His layout similar to mine. Living room at least 2 LAN port available.

 

[xiaofan]

His layout similar to mine. Living room at least 2 LAN port available.

That is nice. In that case, ONT can be a good option to go.

 

[Repsol_2]

That is nice. In that case, ONT can be a good option to go.

Yeah, he can opt for this ONT -- patch panel port - LAN port 1 in blue region -- main wireless router in living room. It's straightforward and simple.

 

[Extremme]

How many LAN ports do you have in the blue zone? One or two? Do you have LAN ports in the rooms, especially master room? What is the wireless router you intend to use? Do you have spare wireless router as well?

A few points.

1) ONR may be easier for you, especially if you only have one LAN port in the blue region.

2) Single wireless router/AP may not cover the master room well enough.

3) Assuming you have only one LAN port in blue region and have LAN port in the master room, then the following configuration is easy.

ONR -- patch panel port - LAN port in blue region -- main AP in living room

ONR -- patch panel port - LAN port in master room -- secondary AP in master room

ONR -- patch panel port - LAN port in bedroom 1 -- wired connection to PC/Laptop/etc

ONR -- patch panel port - LAN port in bedroom 2 -- wired connection to PC/Laptop/etc

4) Assuming you have two LAN ports in blue region and have LAN port in the master room, then the following configuration is possible. You need to add a dumb switch in the DB area.

ONT -- patch panel port - LAN port 1 in blue region -- main wireless router in living room

Wireless router LAN port -- LAN port 2 in blue region -- patch panel port - switch in DB box

Switch LAN port -- patch panel port - LAN port in master room -- AP in master room

Switch LAN port -- patch panel port - LAN port in bedroom 1 -- wired connection to PC/Laptop/etc

Switch LAN port - patch panel port - LAN port in bedroom 2 -- wired connection to PC/Laptop/etc

All rooms will have lan point (RJ45)

Router am intending to get either RT-AX86U / RT-AX82U/ AX88