New HDB BTO Flat - How do you connect your Home Fiber Network

[gregory_choo]

Having read https://support.google.com/wifi/answer/6240987?hl=en-SG

Im assuming you are NOT running Google Nest in Bridge mode? If thats the case you will also be having double NAT
E.g Internet in (WAN IP) -> router in DB Box LAN 1 (192.168.1.x) -> Google Nest LAN 2 (192.168.2.x)

google doesn't recommend the use of any routers , google wants the nest to be connected to modem/ont.

google nest also doesn't support wired backhaual, has only 2 bands.

 

[sadboy]

May i know which Asus Model i should be looking for? And how much is 1

01. A list of model is below
https://www.asus.com/Networking/Wi-Fi-System-Products/

02. You can consider this twin set
https://shopee.sg/ASUS-RT-AC86U-(-P...al-Distributor-Warranty-i.68909495.3149750394


BTW what your current router and fiber provide?

 

[bjornng]

hey guys! i posted about 4 months back seeking your help on home networking - thanks to all the advice! the time has come for me to resume my reno haha.

i have the exact same layout as ahsiao80!! haha. my plan is to connect my ONT to a "mule" router A in DB. then, i'll wire router A to an access point (let's call this router B), either in bedroom 2 or along the walkway ceiling. as per below image:

i already have an AC1200G+ so this will be my mule router A. i'm planning to purchase 1 solid asus router (AC88U, or any recos?) to cover my whole unit, im guessing this will be via asus AI Mesh. LAN in bedroom 1 will be used to wire my PC.

i have 2 considerations here:

1) if i put the router B in bedroom 2, would it be sufficient to cover the whole unit with at least 2-3 bars signal? i think MBR would be ok, but kitchen might not be. can i actually enable wireless in router A, so it will help cover the kitchen/service yard?

2) if i put the router B along walkway, i would have to pull a RJ45 point along the walkway (this plan was also recommended earlier). anyone got any contacts who can help do this? also, how will the "link" between this new point and the patch panel work?

on side note, i also came across terms like wired backhaul.. does this basically mean wired bridge connection from mule router to ap/mesh router?

thanks all and sorry for the long message!

 

[hellgunner]

From your layout, Option 2 seem to be best.

My 2 cents, AC88U is an old model. Do get a newer model.

From my own experience, AX88U's wifi range is very good to cover entire 4 room hdb.

Wired backhaul means, using wired connection between devices.

 

[sadboy]

hey guys! i posted about 4 months back seeking your help on home networking - thanks to all the advice! the time has come for me to resume my reno haha.

i have the exact same layout as ahsiao80!! haha. my plan is to connect my ONT to a "mule" router A in DB. then, i'll wire router A to an access point (let's call this router B), either in bedroom 2 or along the walkway ceiling. as per below image:

i already have an AC1200G+ so this will be my mule router A. i'm planning to purchase 1 solid asus router (AC88U, or any recos?) to cover my whole unit, im guessing this will be via asus AI Mesh. LAN in bedroom 1 will be used to wire my PC.

i have 2 considerations here:

1) if i put the router B in bedroom 2, would it be sufficient to cover the whole unit with at least 2-3 bars signal? i think MBR would be ok, but kitchen might not be. can i actually enable wireless in router A, so it will help cover the kitchen/service yard?

2) if i put the router B along walkway, i would have to pull a RJ45 point along the walkway (this plan was also recommended earlier). anyone got any contacts who can help do this? also, how will the "link" between this new point and the patch panel work?

on side note, i also came across terms like wired backhaul.. does this basically mean wired bridge connection from mule router to ap/mesh router?

thanks all and sorry for the long message!

If you are installing the wireless along the walkway. An AP would be a better options to install. Like unifi ap ac lr


Ac88u a little hard to place along the walkway.

 

[Vulpix]

If you are installing the wireless along the walkway. An AP would be a better options to install. Like unifi ap ac lr


Ac88u a little hard to place along the walkway.

Yah Unifi AP installation very clean assuming you power it via POE. My NanoHD (overkill, not needed, just get ac lite) also at the hallway option 2 ceiling, very happy with this layout.

 

[Vulpix]

hey guys! i posted about 4 months back seeking your help on home networking - thanks to all the advice! the time has come for me to resume my reno haha.

i have the exact same layout as ahsiao80!! haha. my plan is to connect my ONT to a "mule" router A in DB. then, i'll wire router A to an access point (let's call this router B), either in bedroom 2 or along the walkway ceiling. as per below image:

i already have an AC1200G+ so this will be my mule router A. i'm planning to purchase 1 solid asus router (AC88U, or any recos?) to cover my whole unit, im guessing this will be via asus AI Mesh. LAN in bedroom 1 will be used to wire my PC.

i have 2 considerations here:

1) if i put the router B in bedroom 2, would it be sufficient to cover the whole unit with at least 2-3 bars signal? i think MBR would be ok, but kitchen might not be. can i actually enable wireless in router A, so it will help cover the kitchen/service yard?

2) if i put the router B along walkway, i would have to pull a RJ45 point along the walkway (this plan was also recommended earlier). anyone got any contacts who can help do this? also, how will the "link" between this new point and the patch panel work?

on side note, i also came across terms like wired backhaul.. does this basically mean wired bridge connection from mule router to ap/mesh router?

thanks all and sorry for the long message!

Your contractor cannot do B for you? Is your floor laid already or still bare floor with no tiles?

 

[-Grift-]

hey guys! i posted about 4 months back seeking your help on home networking - thanks to all the advice! the time has come for me to resume my reno haha.

i have the exact same layout as ahsiao80!! haha. my plan is to connect my ONT to a "mule" router A in DB. then, i'll wire router A to an access point (let's call this router B), either in bedroom 2 or along the walkway ceiling. as per below image:

i already have an AC1200G+ so this will be my mule router A. i'm planning to purchase 1 solid asus router (AC88U, or any recos?) to cover my whole unit, im guessing this will be via asus AI Mesh. LAN in bedroom 1 will be used to wire my PC.

i have 2 considerations here:

1) if i put the router B in bedroom 2, would it be sufficient to cover the whole unit with at least 2-3 bars signal? i think MBR would be ok, but kitchen might not be. can i actually enable wireless in router A, so it will help cover the kitchen/service yard?

2) if i put the router B along walkway, i would have to pull a RJ45 point along the walkway (this plan was also recommended earlier). anyone got any contacts who can help do this? also, how will the "link" between this new point and the patch panel work?

on side note, i also came across terms like wired backhaul.. does this basically mean wired bridge connection from mule router to ap/mesh router?

thanks all and sorry for the long message!

Do note AC1200G+ cannot route at 1gbps(wired), cannot remember the exact numbers but its probably 700-800mbps via ethernet WAN-LAN. If you intend to go the Ubiquiti route can consider USG with switch and AP

 

[hellgunner]

Just sharing my own experience with Ubiquiti.

Back in 2018, I bought UAP-AC-PRO to be use as Access Point to improve wifi coverage.
Using ubiquiti own software to setup & configure the AP.
End up having unstable wifi (both 2.4G & 5G) and the software always cannot detect the AP.

Thus, if want to use Ubiquti AP, best to also have the UniFi Cloud Key to control.

Ubiquiti is very good system. But will need to be used together with other ubiquiti products for best experience.

In the end, with not much budget left and some research. I bought TP-Link Deco M4, Twin Pack, to improve the wifi coverage (using wired backhual). While continue to use SingTel router with wifi off. Downside of getting stuck in SingTel ecosystem.

Till today, the M4 still works as intended. Definitely not getting the best wifi speed, but still get the job done flawlessly.

 

[Vulpix]

Just sharing my own experience with Ubiquiti.

Back in 2018, I bought UAP-AC-PRO to be use as Access Point to improve wifi coverage.
Using ubiquiti own software to setup & configure the AP.
End up having unstable wifi (both 2.4G & 5G) and the software always cannot detect the AP.

Thus, if want to use Ubiquti AP, best to also have the UniFi Cloud Key to control.

Ubiquiti is very good system. But will need to be used together with other ubiquiti products for best experience.

In the end, with not much budget left and some research. I bought TP-Link Deco M4, Twin Pack, to improve the wifi coverage (using wired backhual). While continue to use SingTel router with wifi off. Downside of getting stuck in SingTel ecosystem.

Till today, the M4 still works as intended. Definitely not getting the best wifi speed, but still get the job done flawlessly.

I'm currently running a UDM with a US-8-60W and a nanoHD. Working great the past few months although the temperature of the UDM concerns me.

 

[sadboy]

Just sharing my own experience with Ubiquiti.

Back in 2018, I bought UAP-AC-PRO to be use as Access Point to improve wifi coverage.
Using ubiquiti own software to setup & configure the AP.
End up having unstable wifi (both 2.4G & 5G) and the software always cannot detect the AP.

Thus, if want to use Ubiquti AP, best to also have the UniFi Cloud Key to control.

Ubiquiti is very good system. But will need to be used together with other ubiquiti products for best experience.

In the end, with not much budget left and some research. I bought TP-Link Deco M4, Twin Pack, to improve the wifi coverage (using wired backhual). While continue to use SingTel router with wifi off. Downside of getting stuck in SingTel ecosystem.

Till today, the M4 still works as intended. Definitely not getting the best wifi speed, but still get the job done flawlessly.

I running the controller on a win10 pc. With the correct windows firewall configured no issue to manage my AP.

The smartphone app is not very stable. But 90% of the time of working however function are limited as compare to pc controller

 

[bjornng]

hey bro! thanks for your response! you helped me earlier too haha. i will reply to your posts here:

Yah Unifi AP installation very clean assuming you power it via POE. My NanoHD (overkill, not needed, just get ac lite) also at the hallway option 2 ceiling, very happy with this layout.

am i able to use any brand for router A (in DB box), and use with Unifi NanoHD/AC PRO/Lite? Unifi AP = wired connection yeah? i understand POE is basically using Eternet to power up the AP, this means I dont have to run any socket points at my hallway right? but i would still have to run the RJ45 near the AP.
I went to see see their site.. very sleek! is the signal solid?

Your contractor cannot do B for you? Is your floor laid already or still bare floor with no tiles?

mine now still bare floor! engaged ID. what should i inform him? is it to pull an RJ45 port from BR2 to hallway, or install a new point?

I'm currently running a UDM with a US-8-60W and a nanoHD. Working great the past few months although the temperature of the UDM concerns me.

wah so many diff kinds of products ah.. hahaha. should i go for ubiquiti mule router to pair with the ubiquiti AC?

 

[bjornng]

Do note AC1200G+ cannot route at 1gbps(wired), cannot remember the exact numbers but its probably 700-800mbps via ethernet WAN-LAN. If you intend to go the Ubiquiti route can consider USG with switch and AP

oh wah! that means it's not a good mule router ah.. hahah. what would you recommend to use as a basic mule router that can transmit 1gbps via ethernet WAN-LAN?

 

[hellgunner]

Thanks for the update.

Back in 2018, only have software controller setup for PC, does not have phone app. A few days after proper setup, the AP will haywire and does not show up in the controller. I give up after many attempts of redoing the setup.

Back in 2018, a UAP-AC-PRO is not so affordable compare to now.

I running the controller on a win10 pc. With the correct windows firewall configured no issue to manage my AP.

The smartphone app is not very stable. But 90% of the time of working however function are limited as compare to pc controller

 

[gregory_choo]

hey guys! i posted about 4 months back seeking your help on home networking - thanks to all the advice! the time has come for me to resume my reno haha.

i have the exact same layout as ahsiao80!! haha. my plan is to connect my ONT to a "mule" router A in DB. then, i'll wire router A to an access point (let's call this router B), either in bedroom 2 or along the walkway ceiling. as per below image:

i already have an AC1200G+ so this will be my mule router A. i'm planning to purchase 1 solid asus router (AC88U, or any recos?) to cover my whole unit, im guessing this will be via asus AI Mesh. LAN in bedroom 1 will be used to wire my PC.

i have 2 considerations here:

1) if i put the router B in bedroom 2, would it be sufficient to cover the whole unit with at least 2-3 bars signal? i think MBR would be ok, but kitchen might not be. can i actually enable wireless in router A, so it will help cover the kitchen/service yard?

2) if i put the router B along walkway, i would have to pull a RJ45 point along the walkway (this plan was also recommended earlier). anyone got any contacts who can help do this? also, how will the "link" between this new point and the patch panel work?

on side note, i also came across terms like wired backhaul.. does this basically mean wired bridge connection from mule router to ap/mesh router?

thanks all and sorry for the long message!

another option for you.

turn on the wireless at your db.

buy a router with ai mesh for your bedroom2, connect it to lan cable.

install another router with ai mesh infront of toilet/wc2, if you don't want to lay lan cable, use it wirelessly via aimesh. it will try to get signal from the bedroom and db. the thru'put won't be as good compared to using wired backhual, but it is the easier way for you to get full coverage

 

[xonix]

oh wah! that means it's not a good mule router ah.. hahah. what would you recommend to use as a basic mule router that can transmit 1gbps via ethernet WAN-LAN?

www.smallnetbuilder.com/tools/charts/router/bar/179-wan-to-lan-tcp/35

 

[xonix]

The PC specs and browser used also play a part for testing WAN to LAN throughput.

 

[-Grift-]

Nope, most likely those were tested using normal harddisk. Nowadays you need to use SSD for testing. My $15 AC 1200G+ from carousell :

before firmware upgrade :

After updated to latest firmware :

Doubt my 2700x with SSD is the bottleneck but yeah when I use it it router mode it cant sustain gigabit but using it in AP mode it can switch at gigabit just fine

 

[Vulpix]

am i able to use any brand for router A (in DB box), and use with Unifi NanoHD/AC PRO/Lite? Unifi AP = wired connection yeah? i understand POE is basically using Eternet to power up the AP, this means I dont have to run any socket points at my hallway right? but i would still have to run the RJ45 near the AP.
I went to see see their site.. very sleek! is the signal solid?

Yah, you can run different brands of products together to the unifi access point as long as your switch supports power over ethernet. Signal is solid, our homes are frankly very small, even my Ubiquiti Dream Machine can actually reach until my master bedroom though signal around 60%. If I were to do it again, I would just get the AC-Lite instead of the NanoHD for my middle of home AP.

mine now still bare floor! engaged ID. what should i inform him? is it to pull an RJ45 port from BR2 to hallway, or install a new point?

Yah please, do it before you lay the flooring. You can hide a lot of things under the floor, if you want to pull a new network point you don't have to run trunking on ceiling or anything weird. Discuss this with the ID, tell him what you want with the electrician around. You can install a new point at the hallway without running ugly trunking all over the place since you can hide the cable in the floor. Remember, you have the advantage right now with bare floor, can hide a lot of cables under it, even your normal power socket cabling. I believe you an pull a cable all the way from db box until hallway.

wah so many diff kinds of products ah.. hahaha. should i go for ubiquiti mule router to pair with the ubiquiti AC?

It's up to you, but unifi stuff work best with each other. You just need a router, a switch and an access point. There are several different configs, for me I went for UDM + US-8-60W + NanoHD, all Ubiquiti stuff.

Side note, I love PoE. I managed to find a converter to power my Hubitat smart home hub without any power socket, power comes from the switch so no ugly cables muahahaha.

 

[Vulpix]

Oh and an extra note for new home owners of brand new BTOs lurking around: TEST EVERY SINGLE NETWORK POINT, PAY THE ELECTRICIAN OR SOMEONE TO TEST PROPERLY. Some unfortunate people in my cluster have dud/not working network points and the only solution offered is to run awful trunking all the way to the faulty/empty point. Flooring already done and they will not hack for you to lay the cables.

This kind of money don't try to save, test every single point make sure they are all connected to your db box.