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+1, the only exceptions are probably MBPr and mba.

Well don't quite fully agree. I wouldn't go so far as to say they shouldn't install Windows on Apple machines, but seriously, what is the value of getting an Apple product without using the OS ?

As we all can see, Apple product is a closed system. Apple make it so, one is to protect it's IP, second is to ensure best user experience with the least compatibility issue.

I personally don't like closed system, but as a developer and how I look at open source works, a closed system has its advantage. I have both mac systems and hackintosh system too.

If one is so die hard on Windows platform, just go and get a sleek looking ASUS or Sony system. Why bother to come into the Apple platform ? For the external look, really shallow, but what can I say, its not my money.

Learn how the Apple OS works and I guarantee you be more productive and the superb user experience. Nowadays when I work with Windows 8 in my office, I really wanna faint. Metro and desktop ? What the hell is this piece of crap. If it is not because of conformance, I would have gladly ditch Windows 8 since day one.

The only thing I see value in Microsoft is their Enterprise software integration. Their consumer department in my opinion is going for a wrong direction. Everything now is just trying to twist the thing around. Just Skype alone with a Metro and Desktop version that doesn't single login is a good indicator of how messed up the consumer department is.
 
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Well don't quite fully agree. I would go so far as to say they shouldn't install Windows on Apple machines, but seriously, what is the value of getting an Apple product without using the OS ?

As we all can see, Apple product is a closed system. Apple make it so, one is to protect it's IP, second is to ensure best user experience with the least compatibility issue.

I personally don't like closed system, but as a developer and how I look at open source works, a closed system has its advantage. I have both mac systems and hackintosh system too.

If one is so die hard on Windows platform, just go and get a sleek looking ASUS or Sony system. Why bother to come into the Apple platform ? For the external look, really shallow, but what can I say, its not my money.

Learn how the Apple OS works and I guarantee you be more productive and the superb user experience. Nowadays when I work with Windows 8 in my office, I really wanna faint. Metro and desktop ? What the hell is this piece of crap. If it is not because of conformance, I would have gladly ditch Windows 8 since day one.

The only thing I see value in Microsoft is their Enterprise software integration. Their consumer department in my opinion is going for a wrong direction. Everything now is just trying to twist the thing around. Just Skype alone with a Metro and Desktop version that doesn't single login is a good indicator of how messed up the consumer department is.

to be fair to windows 8, the metro part is just an option for tablet/ touchscreen users. MS objective is to build hybrids. Apple does not believe in that.

The metro part need not be used at all if one just wants to use in classic mode. I've a win8 desktop at home and barely use the metro part. but i guess a tablet user would want to use both at times.

Still, we can't say for sure where trends are going. A simple example would be phone screen sizes. Apple is late in the market for that. But better late than never.

so who knows? if windows hybrid sales do eventually outsell Macs, Apple may change their approach.

speaking from a purely consumer pov
 

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I made the switch from windows to OSX years ago when Apple ported their hardware to Intel. Had it remain on powerPC, I would never made the switch for fear that I may not find the equivalent softwares in OSX. Bootcamp and VM provided a mean to ease the transition.

In fact, for a long time, I had to run parallel/VM/virtualBox (tried all) to run Quicken. The mac version just couldn't make it. And there were sites that simply refused to render probably in Safari.

Now, I run OSX with DIY desktop components :) and no longer tied to Apple hardware. Had enough of Apple's "I know what's best for you" crap. On the mobile front, however, one can't DIY and looking from a pure hardware perspective, Apple's laptop has little competitions: retina screen, best trackpad, great battery life and all in a very attractive package - makes it ideal to run any OSes.

Well, I'm not saying people should buy Apple hardware and ditch OSX - the key is choice. Having the ability to mix and match hardware is what make Windows popular. With Apple, one has the flexibility to run any software.
 

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to be fair to windows 8, the metro part is just an option for tablet/ touchscreen users. MS objective is to build hybrids. Apple does not believe in that.

The metro part need not be used at all if one just wants to use in classic mode. I've a win8 desktop at home and barely use the metro part. but i guess a tablet user would want to use both at times.

Still, we can't say for sure where trends are going. A simple example would be phone screen sizes. Apple is late in the market for that. But better late than never.

so who knows? if windows hybrid sales do eventually outsell Macs, Apple may change their approach.

speaking from a purely consumer pov

Just my opinion, I seriously wouldn't call Metro part as optional in Windows 8. There are a few cases when configuring the system, it just jump into Metro. Just as setting up your bluetooth device.

I think Microsoft will probably does the whole thing better if they just keep the tablet and mobile OS different from the desktop/laptop version and works out proper integration like Apple did.

Up to this point, I don't see how my daily usage pattern changed in the laptop. I still very much love the extensive access I have especially to my console on my laptop.

When come to mobile usage, since it is largely a smaller touch screen, the usage pattern changed dramatically.

I have never thought Apple was late in the game. It came exactly at the right time. iPhone introduction basically lead the market. On the other hand, the need for larger and larger screen totally disgusted me.

I'm a guy with large hands whom can easily grip the basketball with one. Still I can't handle the screen size of a Samsung S3/4/5 or Note with just one hand. The need for me to do so is so compelling in my daily usage. When I'm on the transport, one hand holding on to any grips, the other fully operating the phone. Even on the bed or sitting down, again, one hand fully functional. With the other larger counterparts, just to traverse around requires 2 hands. Just my take, even the need for 3 physical buttons just to navigate around a fully touch screen system makes me wonder why ? Really ? With a graphical touch screen, you actually need more than 1 physical button ? Where is the design philosophy ? With a graphical touch screen, your system can have countless buttons specially design for an app, why do you need to enforce 3 physical ? Home, Back, Menu ?

As for Windows 8 inclination for touch even on the laptop is duh... On the desktop, those All-in-One iMac like setup, I find touch screen exactly good when you are standing. When you incline the screen 45 degrees, it gives you that minority report navigation feeling. Otherwise, when you are pressing against the screen, the whole screen shake, especially on the fragile laptop screen. Annoying in my perspective. For kiosk mode, the touch screen is very very attractive, if not, when you are sitting down with the screen almost 90 deg to the table, it doesn't make sense to even move your hands away from the locality of the keyboard and mouse.

Microsoft Windows have been in the PC market for a very long time and have entrench into the Enterprise market even longer. Apple made it come back when Steve come back to Apple after being oust by Sculley. He brought back NeXT unix core that made Mac OS X possible today. That is where Apple finally have a face lift from the past. Since then, Apple has been extremely aggressive in the market and doing a catch up in market shares.

If you ask me, people got bored of Microsoft Windows, if not, why would Apple have made such a great impact in the market ? People ave been longing for powerful and graceful in combination and exactly Apple offers such integration.

Apple has been very faithful in it's belief and while I don't fully agree with everything the company decides, largely it is doing the customer a favour. Microsoft Windows on the other hand is trying hard to get a good market share in the tablet sector, but clearly, is in a mess. It's neither here nor there. Moreover the market has greatly move from laptop/desktop machines to tablet and phones ever since the boom of mobility.

Steve Jobs going is surely an impact to both Apple and the IT industry, I was hoping he could continue to innovate and reign for at least another decade or 2, but well, the best often die young. We just have to make do with what's left of Apple and hopefully Tim Cooks will not turn Apple into something else. After all, design works are still in the reign of Jonathan Ive.

So far the progression of iOS 8 and Yosemite excites me a lot. Ever both the departments come under Craig Federighi control, I see the decision is right. He makes a lot of good integration between the 2 operating systems and the company recognise the need to continue put these 2 OS separate put me at ease.

I may have good faith in Apple, but that doesn't makes me a fan. The whole reason I bought into Apple is not because of the looks and feel only. If it makes my life sucks, I don't care if it is gold plated. The fact is it really makes me a lot more productive than I can achieve in Windows platform.
 

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Just my opinion, I seriously wouldn't call Metro part as optional in Windows 8. There are a few cases when configuring the system, it just jump into Metro. Just as setting up your bluetooth device.

I think Microsoft will probably does the whole thing better if they just keep the tablet and mobile OS different from the desktop/laptop version and works out proper integration like Apple did.

Up to this point, I don't see how my daily usage pattern changed in the laptop. I still very much love the extensive access I have especially to my console on my laptop.

When come to mobile usage, since it is largely a smaller touch screen, the usage pattern changed dramatically.

I have never thought Apple was late in the game. It came exactly at the right time. iPhone introduction basically lead the market. On the other hand, the need for larger and larger screen totally disgusted me.

I'm a guy with large hands whom can easily grip the basketball with one. Still I can't handle the screen size of a Samsung S3/4/5 or Note with just one hand. The need for me to do so is so compelling in my daily usage. When I'm on the transport, one hand holding on to any grips, the other fully operating the phone. Even on the bed or sitting down, again, one hand fully functional. With the other larger counterparts, just to traverse around requires 2 hands. Just my take, even the need for 3 physical buttons just to navigate around a fully touch screen system makes me wonder why ? Really ? With a graphical touch screen, you actually need more than 1 physical button ? Where is the design philosophy ? With a graphical touch screen, your system can have countless buttons specially design for an app, why do you need to enforce 3 physical ? Home, Back, Menu ?

As for Windows 8 inclination for touch even on the laptop is duh... On the desktop, those All-in-One iMac like setup, I find touch screen exactly good when you are standing. When you incline the screen 45 degrees, it gives you that minority report navigation feeling. Otherwise, when you are pressing against the screen, the whole screen shake, especially on the fragile laptop screen. Annoying in my perspective. For kiosk mode, the touch screen is very very attractive, if not, when you are sitting down with the screen almost 90 deg to the table, it doesn't make sense to even move your hands away from the locality of the keyboard and mouse.

Microsoft Windows have been in the PC market for a very long time and have entrench into the Enterprise market even longer. Apple made it come back when Steve come back to Apple after being oust by Sculley. He brought back NeXT unix core that made Mac OS X possible today. That is where Apple finally have a face lift from the past. Since then, Apple has been extremely aggressive in the market and doing a catch up in market shares.

If you ask me, people got bored of Microsoft Windows, if not, why would Apple have made such a great impact in the market ? People ave been longing for powerful and graceful in combination and exactly Apple offers such integration.

Apple has been very faithful in it's belief and while I don't fully agree with everything the company decides, largely it is doing the customer a favour. Microsoft Windows on the other hand is trying hard to get a good market share in the tablet sector, but clearly, is in a mess. It's neither here nor there. Moreover the market has greatly move from laptop/desktop machines to tablet and phones ever since the boom of mobility.

Steve Jobs going is surely an impact to both Apple and the IT industry, I was hoping he could continue to innovate and reign for at least another decade or 2, but well, the best often die young. We just have to make do with what's left of Apple and hopefully Tim Cooks will not turn Apple into something else. After all, design works are still in the reign of Jonathan Ive.

So far the progression of iOS 8 and Yosemite excites me a lot. Ever both the departments come under Craig Federighi control, I see the decision is right. He makes a lot of good integration between the 2 operating systems and the company recognise the need to continue put these 2 OS separate put me at ease.

I may have good faith in Apple, but that doesn't makes me a fan. The whole reason I bought into Apple is not because of the looks and feel only. If it makes my life sucks, I don't care if it is gold plated. The fact is it really makes me a lot more productive than I can achieve in Windows platform.

i think u can choose whether to open apps in metro or desktop.

I'm not sure if separate laptop and tab is the key thing. To me is all about user experience. Think smartphones in the past and iphone. Apple certainly did not invent smartphone or tabs. But the user experience converted many, and soon others copied. So maybe if MS creates a great product, ppl will see the point of having a hybrid. But i have to agree MS products lean more towards business pros rather than general consumers. Seems like the Surface pro will be like a thinkpad, for business. Unfortunately, business sales are only so much.

Apple is def late in the large screen game as Samsung has taken so much market share with their big phones. Try not to think of whether u or i like something but what the market prefers. Even the stock price has taken a tumble until recently, largely due to selling iphone 4 in emerging countries. if not, sales figures would look quite bad again.

Apple reacted faster in the tab area by launching the ipad mini. but iphone is where the profits are so tats why investors were not impressed. Anyway, the anticipation of the new bigger iphone is what's driving their stock price now. I expect Apple to take back some market share from Samsung, but frankly, they should have reacted quicker to prevent a dwindling market share.

Yes, Jobs would continue to shake the world if he were ard. I've to admit till now, Cook is unable to do the same. And it just seems to be a continuation of making the former products great. Nothing trend setting.
 

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i think u can choose whether to open apps in metro or desktop.

I'm not sure if separate laptop and tab is the key thing. To me is all about user experience. Think smartphones in the past and iphone. Apple certainly did not invent smartphone or tabs. But the user experience converted many, and soon others copied. So maybe if MS creates a great product, ppl will see the point of having a hybrid. But i have to agree MS products lean more towards business pros rather than general consumers. Seems like the Surface pro will be like a thinkpad, for business. Unfortunately, business sales are only so much.

Apple is def late in the large screen game as Samsung has taken so much market share with their big phones. Try not to think of whether u or i like something but what the market prefers. Even the stock price has taken a tumble until recently, largely due to selling iphone 4 in emerging countries. if not, sales figures would look quite bad again.

Apple reacted faster in the tab area by launching the ipad mini. but iphone is where the profits are so tats why investors were not impressed. Anyway, the anticipation of the new bigger iphone is what's driving their stock price now. I expect Apple to take back some market share from Samsung, but frankly, they should have reacted quicker to prevent a dwindling market share.

Yes, Jobs would continue to shake the world if he were ard. I've to admit till now, Cook is unable to do the same. And it just seems to be a continuation of making the former products great. Nothing trend setting.


Yes you can choose between Metro and desktop, but why should you have 2 silly system side by side on a same platform ? So does it means all developers should design one set for Metro and another for the desktop ? If they decide not to, which is happening for some applications, it creates inconsistency in terms of system layout. It's like having both iOS and Mac OS X on the same system. Developers choose to create the same application on each platform or both platform. To me, just ot me, it is plain not working.

Well I think if the whole idea here is either of us do not have the crystal ball to the future, that much I agree. Surely the future need to unfold itself to tell who is making a better assessment right now. Either way it doesn't bother me since there is no gain to guessing correctly.

But right now, using Windows 8 in my office gives me the quirkness i don't expect from an OS. For years I have been user of various operating system, even Linux UI don't annoy me as much as Windows 8. I think I can only appreciate up to Windows 7 and so far Server 2012. Windows 8 is a disappointment to my user experience.

One think I feel you may have miss the point is Apple did not coin smartphone. Smartphone has been there since Windows Mobile, or even earlier, as revealed by Wikipedia, from Ericsson GS 88 "Penelope". How Apple rock the world is with the capacitive touch panel, the introduction of App Store and how it has united the musical world bringing easily accessible and affordable songs from an album. I must say even App Store is not invented by Apple. Again reference from Wikipedia.

I guess what I really want to say and give credits for Apple or in fact any other companies is there is no absolute credit for being the first in the market. It's about doing something right. Only when it is done right, it will be widely accepted and adopted by the mass. Done right in a lot of aspects, right advertising and marketting, right implementation, right deployment, right operation and right business model.

Microsoft certainly has a right business model, in the past Windows has been doing well. But ever since Apple has picked up the pace aggressively enter the consumer market, the new option is certainly a lot more attractive than Microsoft. We can see leaders among the corporate using Apple laptops instead of Windows ones. We see a lot more developers choosing Apple laptops instead.

Until now, I failed to see why is having a larger screen more advantages. I think there is certainly a need to have more screen assets, but after all a mobile device has to exhibit mobility. Looking at how Samsung does its Note 3 and Sony Xperia Z Ultra, I don't know how most guys is going to fit such large devices inside their pants. It only seems to make sense for the ladies because they carry handbags. As such it's back to the same topic, blinding implementing something is certainly not the right way to design something. if it's the not the right time, it's not the right time. I would rather some more innovative approach solving the same problem. Like a mobile suitable UI for applications and so forth. Of course I do understand there are some users needs where they want a larger screen to watch videos on it, guess they just gotta be using iPad Mini or iPad Air.
 

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Until now, I failed to see why is having a larger screen more advantages. I think there is certainly a need to have more screen assets, but after all a mobile device has to exhibit mobility. Looking at how Samsung does its Note 3 and Sony Xperia Z Ultra, I don't know how most guys is going to fit such large devices inside their pants. It only seems to make sense for the ladies because they carry handbags. As such it's back to the same topic, blinding implementing something is certainly not the right way to design something. if it's the not the right time, it's not the right time. I would rather some more innovative approach solving the same problem. Like a mobile suitable UI for applications and so forth. Of course I do understand there are some users needs where they want a larger screen to watch videos on it, guess they just gotta be using iPad Mini or iPad Air.

pretty much agree on the larger screen. iirc, the trend to larger screens is due to more users on instagram, FB, youtube, where videos and pics are viewed often, plus doing some quick work on their phablets. and also just carrying one device. Anyway, Apple recognise this trend and will launch bigger phones. Hope they retain the smaller version.
 

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Until now, I failed to see why is having a larger screen more advantages. ladies because they carry handbags. Larger screen to watch videos on it, guess they just gotta be using iPad Mini or iPad Air.

U have already answered ur own question. Many times the ladies would prefer larger screen so as to watch their dramas videos as evidenced on public transport, although they are not the total number of smart phone users.

Also its such a pain to load videos on iTunes and its walled garden. That said I still likes osx tho. I prefer the Android mobile platform :D
 

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Also its such a pain to load videos on iTunes and its walled garden. That said I still likes osx tho. I prefer the Android mobile platform :D

I run plex backend and stream on demand :) and me 2, I prefer Android but might be going back to apple camp with the tight integration between iOS8 and Yosemite. Android home screen is the one key feature that is still missing, unfortunately.
 

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Apple quietly introduced a new security lock adapter for the redesigned Mac Pro today. Interested users can pick one up for S$65 from the online store.

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Apple Introduces S$65 Security Lock Adapter for Redesigned Mac Pro
 

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Optimal display configuration (dual monitor setup)?

Hi fellows, assuming I have the following monitors:

Monitor #1(to be used as main display)
Model: Dell U2711
Ports available:
  • DVI-D (with HDCP) x 2,
  • VGA,
  • HDMI,
  • DisplayPort,
  • component,
  • composite
Preferred operating resolution: 2560 X 1440

Monitor #2
Model: BenQ G2200W
Ports available:
  • DVI-D,
  • VGA
Preferred operating resolution: 1680 X 1050

What I saw listed on the official Mac Pro's "Connections and Expansion" section:
  • Four USB 3 ports
  • Six Thunderbolt 2 ports
  • Dual Gigabit Ethernet ports
  • One HDMI 1.4 port

So, I assume there's no additional graphics connectivity options other than the 6 thunderbolt ports & 1 HDMI port? In that case, may I know what's the optimal way to connect the Mac Pro to those 2 above for an optimal dual monitor setup? I assume thunderbolt ports are not the same as displayports & not the same as mini-displayports right?
 
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Hi fellows, assuming I have the following monitors:

Monitor #1(to be used as main display)
Model: Dell U2711
Ports available:
  • DVI-D (with HDCP) x 2,
  • VGA,
  • HDMI,
  • DisplayPort,
  • component,
  • composite
Preferred operating resolution: 2560 X 1440

Monitor #2
Model: BenQ G2200W
Ports available:
  • DVI-D,
  • VGA
Preferred operating resolution: 1680 X 1050

What I saw listed on the official Mac Pro's "Connections and Expansion" section:
  • Four USB 3 ports
  • Six Thunderbolt 2 ports
  • Dual Gigabit Ethernet ports
  • One HDMI 1.4 port

So, I assume there's no additional graphics connectivity options other than the 6 thunderbolt ports & 1 HDMI port? In that case, may I know what's the optimal way to connect the Mac Pro to those 2 above for an optimal dual monitor setup? I assume thunderbolt ports are not the same as displayports & not the same as mini-displayports right?

Thunderbolts are superset of display ports. In fact, if you have display ports 1.2 for all your display, you only need to use 1 thunderbolt port since display ports 1.2 support daisy chaining. U think U2711 does not have display port 1.2 support. Mine U2713H does have 2 display port, one IN and the other OUT

Therefore your case would just require 2 thunderbolt ports, or just one and the other use your HDMI 1.4a port. I will suggest the latter since your BenQ monitor is an old one, don't waste your thunderbolt ports for it (just a thought, not like you have a lot of peripherals), just get a HDMI to DVI(dual-link) converter.

Go look at the necessary cable and adapter and do a simple cost calculation. With 6 ports available to you and so little thunderbolt peripherals, I am skeptical you will use all of them. Not unless you decided to put up with 6 non-thunderbolt displays, if not only 2 is required because thunderbolt can daisy chain too.
 
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Hi!

To take full advantage of the higher resolution, I recommend using the Mini Displayport to Displayport cable to connect the 27".
A HDMI to VGA cable to hook up the 22".

The Mini Displayport goes into the Thunderbolt ports.
 
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