OCS or SCS

[whitechalk]

Hi everyone, I would like to enquire whats the main difference between OCS & SCS. Is OCS much more like BMT in the sense that its very regimental and follow the rules more whereas in SCS you get more freedom to decide what is right to be done and have more power in command during your trainee period?

 

[Pagani_Z0nda]

A cadet in OCS is worse off than a REC in BMT.

 

[yodatan]

OCS = only clowns survive

SCS = second class soldiers

 

[quadh]

In most military schools, life for trainees is regimental and structured. So you are correct in saying OCS/SCS training is akin to BMT. The difference is that OCS/SCS training is tougher, physically and mentally, than BMT.

In terms of leadership styles to adopt during your trainee period, it very much depends. You will have to use your own discretion there.

 

[Crisknight]

OCS is about 10 times more siong physically than BMT.

SCS is about 2-3 times more siong physically than BMT.

But it's depending on what vocation you get lah.
Generally , SCS cadets are given a lot of freedom as they are training to be commanders. Therefore , the encik expect you to be serious in your training , but otherwise , the discipline wise is ok nia. As long as you are not too jialat , it's fine.

OCS is vry vry regimental and the no. of outfields across all the vocations are countless. Over the course of the whole OCS , there are numerous exercises and outfields that you can't even count.(ASLC also has a lot of outfields)This is because the expectation of Officers are vry different from specialists.

You march a while need to greet greet greet. Then over the 9 mths , there is quite little respect given to you. That's mainly in Safti , mainly apply for infantry. But from what I heard , if you are posted other vocations in other camps in service term , it could be different. Not sure about that.

BMT is a joke man compared to OCS btw.

 

[collin.xk]

the only schools that have it slightly easier would be those that are part of units in a camp/base..

to top it off, i believe most cadets would wish for 1st 3 mths to be cleared off asap =x though some dont have outfields/soc, they can have alot of tests to take after lectures apart from pt.

 

[ahgong_hippov2]

OCS you every week got to change 3 times ziploc bag. Cannot have holes etc. Unlike in BMT. suka suka also can use as ziploc.

 

[boilbands]

main difference i feel is the initial 3 week confinement at safti and the induction period. tops everything during the first 3 months

 

[andyjeewk]

Of cos if gt chance go OCS why not?

 

[ahbeng183]

bmt nowadays so relax till ppl say ocs 10x more xiong?

me use to leopard crawl over rocks, tyres and nails when recruit

 

[Lastexile]

Hi everyone, I would like to enquire whats the main difference between OCS & SCS. Is OCS much more like BMT in the sense that its very regimental and follow the rules more whereas in SCS you get more freedom to decide what is right to be done and have more power in command during your trainee period?

Actually in terms of "command" during trainee period, both training schools are on par.

In OCS, in every 2-4 weeks, there will be a set of appointment holders selected and will be assessed, and they will work with the duty instructor to pass down instructions to the rest of the wing. But most of the time, people will wanna siam appointment because it kills alot of your admin time.

I would say there isn't much power to do anything drastic. The appointment holders are mainly there to ensure the wing are prepared(stores and force prep) and on time for training, and to also constantly motivate the wing during training.

I don't think SCS is far off from there.

But if you want to talk about regimentation and discipline, I would say OCS is anal to the max about it. I'd just put it as if you wanna do anything that deviate from instructions given then... prepared to suffer the consequence if you are caught.

Of cos if gt chance go OCS why not?

well different people has different perspective for ns. Some want to be officers, some think being spec is ok and some people just want to be a man(serve and **** off, suffer for what?)

but to me, everyone has a role to play, when the **** hits the fan, everyone will get it.

 

[Crisknight]

bmt nowadays so relax till ppl say ocs 10x more xiong?

me use to leopard crawl over rocks, tyres and nails when recruit

Nw moi also had to leopard crawl over rocks when I was a recruit...

Bt to compare BMT to OCS is really no point. Cause what BMT does is one field camp , is normal everyday affair in OCS.

For Infantry OCS , the numerous Outfields DAILY apart , there are also two oversea outfield. JCC is a killer , need to dig command post , fire trench , machine gun trench.

Even other vocation also has the jungle orientation course in brunei which is no mean feat itself.

10X is reasonable for the length of time u have to spend in OCS bah.

 

[Crisknight]

Actually in terms of "command" during trainee period, both training schools are on par.

In OCS, in every 2-4 weeks, there will be a set of appointment holders selected and will be assessed, and they will work with the duty instructor to pass down instructions to the rest of the wing. But most of the time, people will wanna siam appointment because it kills alot of your admin time.

I would say there isn't much power to do anything drastic. The appointment holders are mainly there to ensure the wing are prepared(stores and force prep) and on time for training, and to also constantly motivate the wing during training.

I don't think SCS is far off from there.

But if you want to talk about regimentation and discipline, I would say OCS is anal to the max about it. I'd just put it as if you wanna do anything that deviate from instructions given then... prepared to suffer the consequence if you are caught.





well different people has different perspective for ns. Some want to be officers, some think being spec is ok and some people just want to be a man(serve and **** off, suffer for what?)

but to me, everyone has a role to play, when the **** hits the fan, everyone will get it.

Yeah true. Happy to be a Spec and Serve and F off.

 

[trenzterra]

imo SCS was slacker than BMT for me haha. really much more freedom. but i didnt stay back for aslc so no idea how it was like for them

 

[andyjeewk]

Always rmb rank is wat u wear, respect is wat u earn.
So bcum spec or officer nt really impt

 

[Dixon.]

Nw moi also had to leopard crawl over rocks when I was a recruit...

Bt to compare BMT to OCS is really no point. Cause what BMT does is one field camp , is normal everyday affair in OCS.

For Infantry OCS , the numerous Outfields DAILY apart , there are also two oversea outfield. JCC is a killer , need to dig command post , fire trench , machine gun trench.

Even other vocation also has the jungle orientation course in brunei which is no mean feat itself.

10X is reasonable for the length of time u have to spend in OCS bah.

i hate brunei...

 

[Lastexile]

Nw moi also had to leopard crawl over rocks when I was a recruit...

Bt to compare BMT to OCS is really no point. Cause what BMT does is one field camp , is normal everyday affair in OCS.

Yeah. I agree with what you say. BMT is like induction to NS, everything you do is toned down to give you a feel of what is going on.

When you go to unit or other training institute, the training naturally get tougher, or it may not be as tough as it seemed because you have adapted to it.

 

[andyjeewk]

Yeah. I agree with what you say. BMT is like induction to NS, everything you do is toned down to give you a feel of what is going on.

When you go to unit or other training institute, the training naturally get tougher, or it may not be as tough as it seemed because you have adapted to it.

Bmt is like ncc loh except for some punishments here n there while ncc no longer have.
Go units is shiong cos we are too used to comfortable life thus initally unable to adapt..

 

[Deunamist]

there was a thread about 4-5 months back where someone said he OOC-ed from OCS on the first day after he was caught not marching to the cookhouse twice.

 

[collin.xk]

i hate brunei...

and even those who just go for orientation only also hate it..

a fren of mine who was a WSO trainee [2 whites] almost ingested petrol water in the course of orientation -_- happened just awhile back..

and yea, OCS is really regimental.. and in schools, this would mean an email to their course commander and extras given.