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He deserves his own thread!

Thanks for our BBW and Shiny Things for making this sub-forum a useful place for both noobs and experts to learn.
 

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He deserves his own thread!

Thanks for our BBW and Shiny Things for making this sub-forum a useful place for both noobs and experts to learn.

out of curiosity, who exactly is BBW? he seems really knowledgeable abt minute details
 

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Sign me up! Membership requirement should be: put more money into your special account!
 

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out of curiosity, who exactly is BBW?
Updated July 20, 2025

I'll restate some basic facts about me and leave it at that:
  • Living in Singapore
  • CPF member
  • married
  • parent
  • U.S. citizen, and among the ~6%(*) of U.S. citizens living outside the United States who owe/pay some U.S. income tax on non-U.S. source income
  • Fortunate in several respects, for example with educational opportunities and stable employment
  • Started monthly dollar cost averaging into low cost long-term investments in the mid 1990s (I started very young) without any interruptions
  • In broad agreement with John Bogle's saving/investing philosophies (diversification, simplicity, regularity, cost efficiency, etc.) and with Shiny Things, among others.
  • Do not work for any financial services firm, have no sales interest of any sort in any financial products, and don't want to
  • Do not work for any government or political organization
  • Although my wonderful parents would've helped if needed, I've lived apart from my parents and entirely paid my own way since age 21
  • My parents have never been a financial burden on me, nor is there any reasonable prospect they ever will be
  • I am not expecting any inheritance, although I did receive a very unexpected (but non-life changing) inheritance in 2024
  • Have been financially able to retire for quite some time; work mostly because I enjoy my work
  • Do not have any sponsors, advertising revenue, kickbacks, commissions, referral codes, book sales, etc. (I have no problem with those who do as long as it’s disclosed.)
If I write something nice about a particular financial firm, financial product, or government offer it'll most probably be because I do it/use it personally because I think it's a good deal, or at least that I think it's a good deal in certain other circumstances. But I'm always looking for better deals, and I've learned about better deals in this forum. I try to do a lot of research and keep learning. You must do your own due diligence and/or seek guidance from a trusted expert who has a fiduciary duty to you.

(*) J. Richard Harvey, Jr., a professor at Villanova University, estimated this particular percentage. It's the only estimate of its kind that I've found. That circa 6% is skewed toward U.S. citizens residing in comparatively low income tax jurisdictions who have relatively high or higher U.S. taxable non-U.S. source incomes. About 54% of adults residing in the U.S. owe/pay any U.S. income tax, for comparison.
 
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I'm surprised you do not work for any financial services firm. From your posts, I thought you are a financial salesman but a highly ethical one, given the deep knowledge and objectivity in your posts.

Some also suspect you work for the Singapore government since you are a strong advocate of CPF. Now, we know it's because CPF is a wonderful financial product for Singaporeans and foreigners who work in Singapore :)

Do you stick to passive Vanguard passive products or do you invest in individual stocks/bonds, given your deep financial knowledge and analytical skills? If you don't invest in individual stocks/bonds, why not since you seem well equipped to do so?

I'll restate some basic facts about me and leave it at that:

* Living in Singapore
* CPF member
* U.S. citizen, and among the ~6%(*) of U.S. citizens living outside the United States who owe/pay some U.S. income tax on non-U.S. source income
* Lucky in several respects
* In broad agreement with John Bogle's saving/investing philosophies (diversification, simplicity, regularity, cost efficiency, etc.), and I'm also a Vanguard customer/member
* In broad agreement with Shiny Things, among others
* Do not work for any financial services firm, have no sales interest of any sort in any financial products, and don't want to
* Do not work for any government
* Work mostly because I enjoy my work

If I write something nice about a particular financial firm, financial product, or government offer it'll most probably be because I do it/use it personally because I think it's a good deal, or at least that I think it's a good deal in certain other circumstances. But I'm always looking for better deals, and I've learned about a few better deals in this forum. I try to do a lot of research and keep learning.

(*) J. Richard Harvey, Jr., a professor at Villanova University, estimated this particular percentage. It's the only estimate of its kind that I've found. That circa 6% is skewed toward U.S. citizens residing in comparatively low income tax jurisdictions who have relatively high or higher U.S. taxable non-U.S. source incomes. About 54% of adults residing in the U.S. owe/pay any U.S. income tax, for comparison.
 

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I'll restate some basic facts about me and leave it at that:

* Living in Singapore
* CPF member
* U.S. citizen, and among the ~6%(*) of U.S. citizens living outside the United States who owe/pay some U.S. income tax on non-U.S. source income
* Lucky in several respects
* In broad agreement with John Bogle's saving/investing philosophies (diversification, simplicity, regularity, cost efficiency, etc.), and I'm also a Vanguard customer/member
* In broad agreement with Shiny Things, among others
* Do not work for any financial services firm, have no sales interest of any sort in any financial products, and don't want to
* Do not work for any government
* Work mostly because I enjoy my work

If I write something nice about a particular financial firm, financial product, or government offer it'll most probably be because I do it/use it personally because I think it's a good deal, or at least that I think it's a good deal in certain other circumstances. But I'm always looking for better deals, and I've learned about a few better deals in this forum. I try to do a lot of research and keep learning.

(*) J. Richard Harvey, Jr., a professor at Villanova University, estimated this particular percentage. It's the only estimate of its kind that I've found. That circa 6% is skewed toward U.S. citizens residing in comparatively low income tax jurisdictions who have relatively high or higher U.S. taxable non-U.S. source incomes. About 54% of adults residing in the U.S. owe/pay any U.S. income tax, for comparison.

which district do you live? 9, 10, 11? =)
 

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BBCWatcher's Broad Views on Insurance
Updated July 20, 2025

I think it's quite important to prioritize covering essential insurance needs first, ahead of saving and investing.

"Executive Summary": If you're a working adult in Singapore with a public hospital Integrated Shield plan, disability income insurance (DII), and (only if you have a dependent) term life insurance, then you've probably covered your genuine core personal insurance needs well.

Insurance is a financial tool that serves only one real purpose: to reduce risks that you cannot reasonably handle on your own and that would seriously impair your basic lifestyle (and/or your loved ones' lives) and that money would make better. In other words, good insurance helps you (or your dependent survivors) cope with genuine calamities. Like any other financial tool, value for money is important. Often insurance companies will create complex products that include a little questionable insurance with a lot of even more questionable fluff. Such "hybrid" products are best avoided.

I think there's a "Big 3" set of insurance products for most adults (bolded below):

* Medical insurance, which is supposed to pay (or at least reimburse) your biggest medical bills. Fortunately there's a high quality and moderately priced (especially for citizens) public medical system in Singapore. That's your strong foundation to nail down this particular insurance need. Getting care from private medical providers might be nice, but it's not essential. In the government's view, compulsory MediShield Life coverage plus a "reasonable" or better Medisave balance is sufficient for public hospital B2 ward (or C ward) stays for citizens. I think there's a reasonable argument that an "as charged" public hospital B1 ward Integrated Shield plan is an insurance necessity. Integrated Shield plan riders are helpful (particularly with cancer-related coverage), but if opting for a rider just pick the lowest cost one (a "Lite" or "Saver" rider typically) that caps but does not eliminate your annual out-of-pocket costs for covered services. Having to pay a $2,000 medical bill (partially Medisave payable), for example, is unpleasant perhaps but ought not be calamitous.

Integrated Shield coverage is reasonable for acute care involving hospitalization. It's not great for "lingering" scenarios that involve chronic care needs. DII and LTC (see below) offer some help there. Integrated Shield plans do not cover preexisting medical conditions (except to MediShield Life coverage levels if you have MediShield Life).

The "best" Integrated Shield plan for you (and your family) can vary. Compare base plan and rider details carefully, bearing in mind they can change. I focus on annual limits (higher is better), non-Cancer Drug List coverage (a high annual limit without a monthly limit is better), pre-/post-hospitalization coverage (more days are better, especially post-hospitalization), and whether there are other caps or limits such as proration factors. For example, many public hospital B1 ward Integrated Shield plans apply ugly proration factors to SPRs. Some public hospital A ward plans are available to foreigners.

If you venture outside Singapore, especially to high medical cost and/or poorly medically served areas, then travel medical insurance with medical repatriation and medical evacuation coverage is essential. The many other possible parts of common travel insurance, such as lost luggage and accidental death coverage, are not essential. I often like an IM Global policy for single trips. Check Seven Corners, World Nomads, and Worldtrips, too. Sometimes Singsaver offers a nice price on Starr's "Bronze" single trip policy, and it may work for travel to low medical cost countries since the medical evacuation and repatriation coverage is the most essential part. You must deselect one of Starr's coverage options to get their core policy. I don't have a favorite annual travel medical insurance policy yet. Suggestions welcome!

* Disability income insurance (DII), sometimes called "income protection insurance." Be careful to find the genuine stuff. DII is available from AIA, Great Eastern, and Singlife. DII typically provides a monthly payout of up to 75% of your pre-disability income until your 65th birthday. There's a waiting period ("elimination period") between the moment you experience a claimable disability and the first payout. Disability is grounded in employability, and partial loss of income can be covered. I broadly agree with this article's explanation. DII is "expensive" because it covers a lot of risk. (Keep the premium under better control by choosing the longest waiting period possible, such as 6 months.) You have to be earning an income from work to sign up, and that's hard if you're still pre-career, such as a university student. Singapore's DII carriers might drop your coverage if you spend "too much" time working overseas. DII policies vary in how long they tolerate unemployment.

Singlife offers a MINDEF/SAF group disability income insurance rider which is interesting, but be aware of limitations such as a maximum 50% coverage level and coverage lapses during even brief bouts of unemployment. CareShield Life, the successor to ElderShield, provides some disability insurance coverage from age 30. However, CareShield Life requires severe disability to make a claim. CareShield Life and its supplements are really another type of insurance: Long-Term Care (LTC) insurance. LTC is good stuff (and compulsory for all Singaporeans and SPRs born after a certain date), but it's not a replacement for DII. Also be aware that CareShield Life (and supplement) coverage ends, with no refund of premiums, if/when Singaporean citizenship or Singapore Permanent Residence ends. Life insurance nearly always provides "total and permanent disability" (TPD) coverage, but TPD also has a narrow definition of disability. There are some insurance companies outside Singapore such as Clements and MSH that offer "expat-style" DII policies that may be a better fit for some.

* Life insurance, just as its name suggests, pays cash to your survivor(s) when you die. If you have no dependents who would be in genuine and substantial financial distress if you were to die tomorrow, then you do not need any type of life insurance. Sadness and grief don't count for these purposes. "Dependents" means anyone you care about who is genuinely dependent on you and your income. It could be a spouse, partner, child, parent, sibling, or a close friend. Simple term life insurance is usually the best value for money because it's easy to compare, it can be purchased online (for policies up to S$400,000 each; it's often a good idea to have more than one policy if you need more), and it provides coverage for the specific term -- the typical period of time when your untimely death would be financially calamitous to your loved one(s), but also the period of time when you're hopefully saving, investing, and building up wealth that will, at some point before the term ends, be more than sufficient to take care of your dependents. Also, at some point, children grow up and parents pass on; then they're no longer dependents. Visit CompareFirst.sg to shop for term life insurance. Singlife's MINDEF, MHA, or POGIS group term life insurance is a great option if you qualify.

Insurance salespeople often argue that you should buy life insurance even before you have dependents, just in case you're not insurable later (due to a future medical or other condition). I don't think that's a great argument for reasons I've described elsewhere. It's certainly not a good argument for why paying for life insurance now is essential, and insurance essentials should be well covered before insurance niceties or luxuries.

When considering how much term life insurance you need, tally up all your assets (including CPF savings, and net of debts), subtract some wealth for end of life care needs (if you "linger" and need to spend some of those assets), and compare that remaining amount to what you think your dependents might genuinely need if you were to die tomorrow. You may get some free (or "free") life insurance from an employer, or from National Service, or with your NTUC membership, so include those opportunities in your coverage assessment. By default you'll be enrolled in the Dependants' Protection Scheme (DPS) life insurance when you make your first CPF contributions (start work).

You can often attach an extra cost Critical Illness rider to term life insurance that "accelerates" the life insurance payout if you're eligible to make a CI claim. I don't think CI makes the cut as an insurance necessity, but if you get some CI I think a simple accelerator rider is a reasonable way to do it.

You may need home or personal liability insurance if you own a home, have expensive home contents, or are worried about liability risks. QBE Singapore offers the highest limit personal liability coverage (in their Home Prestige policy) that I've found so far, and it's reasonably priced at least for HDB flats.

Longevity insurance (life annuities) protects against the risk of outliving your savings. CPF LIFE is the best available longevity insurance for Singaporean citizens and SPRs. Private insurance companies also offer longevity insurance including joint/survivor life annuities. I suggest focusing on the guaranteed payouts when comparing life annuities. Escalating payouts are generally best since inflation is real.

Once you've nailed down your insurance necessities take a look at whether other insurance products make sense. But remember that insurance can only ever pay money, and unfortunately money alone cannot reduce or eliminate all of life's risks.
 
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I am sure we know this by now. I am a proponent of PMI for private hospital and rider. The savings you get from buying B1 ward won't make you much richer.
 

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OK, so let's kick things off with a quick outline of my views on insurance. I think it's quite important to prioritize covering essential insurance needs first, ahead of saving and investing.

"Executive Summary": If you're a working adult in Singapore with a base public hospital Integrated Shield plan, disability income insurance (DII), and (only if you have dependents) term life insurance, then you've probably covered your genuine core personal insurance needs well.

Insurance is a financial tool that serves only one genuine purpose: it helps you reduce risks that you cannot reasonably handle on your own and that would seriously impair your basic lifestyle (and/or your loved ones' lives). In other words, good insurance helps you cope with genuine calamities. Like any other financial tool (or product), value for money is important. Often insurance companies will create complex products that include a little questionable insurance with a lot of even more questionable fluff. It's almost always best to avoid such "hybrid" products.

In the Singapore context, I think there is a "Big Three" set of insurance products for most adults, and here they are:

* Medical insurance, which is supposed to pay (or at least reimburse) your biggest medical bills. Within Singapore, fortunately there's a high quality and moderately priced (especially for citizens) public medical system, and that's your strong framework for nailing down this particular insurance need. Getting care from private medical providers might be nice, but it's not essential. In the government's view, compulsory MediShield Life coverage combined with a "reasonable" or better Medisave balance are sufficient for public hospital B2 ward (or C ward) stays. I happen to disagree with the government on this point, and I think there's a reasonable argument that an "as charged" public hospital B1 ward Integrated Shield plan is an insurance necessity, for working adults anyway. Integrated Shield plan riders are not essential, although if you decide to get a rider anyway then I'd opt for a "Lite" or "Saver" rider that caps but does not eliminate your annual out-of-pocket costs for covered services. Having to pay a $2,000 medical bill (partially Medisave payable), for example, is unpleasant perhaps but ought not be calamitous.

Integrated Shield coverage is quite reasonable for acute care involving hospitalization. It's not so great for "lingering" scenarios that involve chronic care needs. DII (see below) offers some help there.

If you venture outside Singapore, especially to high medical cost and/or poorly medically served areas, then travel medical insurance with medical repatriation and medical evacuation coverage is essential. The many other possible parts of common travel insurance, such as lost luggage and accidental death coverage, are not essential.

As of this writing, I think Great Eastern's "as charged" public hospital B1 ward Integrated Shield plan is the best in its category. I also like Bupa Global's "basic" annual travel medical insurance plan, purchased online in British pounds and with a coupon code (that's easily discoverable if you search online), unless you only make one or two trips outside Singapore per year when locally sold single trip policies could be better values. You just might get sufficient travel medical insurance coverage if you charge your tickets to a particular credit card and travel only to certain places where that limited level of coverage will be adequate.

* Disability income insurance (DII), sometimes called "income protection insurance," but be careful to find the genuine stuff. DII typically provides a monthly payout of up to 75% of your pre-disability income up until your 65th birthday. There's a waiting period, also called an elimination period, between the moment you experience a claimable disability and the first payout is made. Disability is grounded in employability, and partial loss of income can be covered. I'm in broad agreement with this article's explanation. Some fair warnings, though. First, DII is "expensive," but that's because it actually covers a lot of risk. (Keep the premium under better control by choosing the longest waiting period possible, such as 6 months. At equal premiums, a longer waiting period with a higher payout is much better than a shorter waiting period with a lower payout.) Second, you have to be earning an income from work to sign up, and that's hard to do if you're still pre-career, such as university student. (You may be able to finesse that point even with part-time work.) Third, Singapore's DII carriers might drop your coverage if you spend much time working overseas.

Aviva offers a MINDEF/SAF group disability insurance policy which might have some appeal, but it's quite a bit narrower than DII, including Aviva's own general DII coverage. As early as 2019 the government will introduce CareShield Life, a successor to ElderShield Life, which provides some disability insurance coverage from age 30. However, CareShield Life's definition of disability is dramatically narrower than DII definitions. It's better than nothing (and will be compulsory for all Singaporeans and PRs born after a certain date), but it's not adequate on its own. Life insurance nearly always provides "total and permanent disability" (TPD) coverage, but that too has a very narrow definition of disability. There are some insurance companies outside Singapore that offer internationally oriented DII policies, but extra careful investigation is merited when considering those products.

* Life insurance, just as its name suggests, pays a cash benefit to your survivor(s) when you die. So that's the first important point: if you have no dependents who would be in genuine and substantial financial distress if you were to die tomorrow, then you do not need any type of life insurance. Sadness and grief don't count for these purposes. "Dependents" means anybody you care about who is genuinely financially dependent on you and your income. It could be a spouse, partner, child, parent, a close friend, or even a pet. Simple term life insurance is usually the best value for money because it's easy to compare, it can be purchased online (for policies up to S$400,000 each; and it's generally a good idea to have more than one policy if you need more than that), and it provides coverage for the specific term -- the typical period of time when your untimely death would be financially calamitous to your loved one(s), but also the period of time when you're hopefully saving, investing, and building up wealth that will, at some point before the term ends, be more than sufficient to take care of your dependents. Also, at some point, dependents (such as your children) often grow up and no longer become financially dependent. So, for all those reasons, term life insurance is a good fit, and good fits represent better value for money than bad fits.

Life insurance salespeople will often argue that you should buy life insurance even before you have dependents, just in case you are not insurable later (due to a future medical or other condition). That's not a great argument, for a lot of reasons I've described elsewhere. It's certainly not a good argument for why paying for life insurance now is essential, and insurance essentials should be well covered before any and all insurance niceties or luxuries.

When considering how much term life insurance you need, tally up all your assets (including CPF savings, and net of debts), subtract some of that wealth for end of life care needs (if you "linger" and need to spend down some of those assets), and compare that remaining amount to what you think your dependents might genuinely need in the event of your untimely passing. You may get some free (or "free") life insurance from an employer, or from National Service, or with your NTUC membership, so include those opportunities in your coverage assessment.

If you cover these "Big Three" (or "Big Two" if you have no dependents) essential insurance needs, then you're doing rather well in terms of insurance. Once you've nailed down these insurance necessities then you can take a look at whether you ought to consider other insurance products. Remember, though, that insurance can only ever pay money, and unfortunately money alone cannot reduce or eliminate all of life's risks.

good stuff!

what plans are avail for foreign spouse?
out of the big three, my immediate concern is medical.
for simplicity sake, assume that no govt medical scheme is applicable.

is bupa as good , worse or better than cigna?
how easy or difficult are their claims process?
 
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