[Official] Eighth Generation iPhone Rumours and Discussions

[Knight_Rider]

If the phone hardware, OS, apps and software are good, why wouldn't they charge $1288 for it?

Android phone vendors have more to worry about the rise of Xiaomi who sell their hardware at cost price and then earn through apps and services. It remains to be seen whether high end android smartphones are able to command such a premium when it's proven that hardware cost is low (xiaomi has showed it) while loading free third party OS and apps?

Having their own OS and ecosystem will determine their own destiny and technology route map and vision. Apple knows this since 1980s, microsoft knows this and now samsung is starting to know this by going into Tizen.

Apple is slowly shifting production back to homeland. You can't beat piracy with fake ones coming out before the real McCoy. All you need to someone from the inside be it the engineer or the designer as IT professionals turn over will definitely hurt Apple closely guarded secret. Just like almost half of Xiaomi VPs are ex-google. With that out of the equation hopefully Apple will have a more "exclusive" and premium model to command top dollar. Then again the real test will come during ip7 when Steve future vision and ideas run out and the product comes solely from the present Apple team.

 

[erwinrommel]

Apple is slowly shifting production back to homeland. You can't beat piracy with fake ones coming out before the real McCoy. All you need to someone from the inside be it the engineer or the designer as IT professionals turn over will definitely hurt Apple closely guarded secret. Just like almost half of Xiaomi VPs are ex-google. With that out of the equation hopefully Apple will have a more "exclusive" and premium model to command top dollar. Then again the real test will come during ip7 when Steve future vision and ideas run out and the product comes solely from the present Apple team.

As mentioned earlier, apple products always command a premium and people are willing to spend. I have always been using iphone and due to high resale prices, I find myself not needing to fork out extra cash to renew contract when getting newer iphone.

Moreover, it's not just their hardware. A company known as goo phone always make iphone counterfeits and yet it has never taken off. Why? Simply because people want and are willing to pay top dollars for iOS ease of use and iCloud integration. In fact, numerous android user friends of mine are interested to switch back to iphone due to upcoming iOS 8.

In summary, one can fake hardware but not software, apps and ecosystem. That's why iphone can command such a high premium.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Yup I gave up the rest long ago as 2 weeks after I buy drop $200. Wah damm heart pain. Esp Nokia where new models come out like nobody business. But that said N95 was the best so far. A pity meego didn't take off for N900(was a HWZ trial user) and N8 really went downhill.

As mentioned earlier, apple products always command a premium and people are willing to spend. I have always been using iphone and due to high resale prices, I find myself not needing to fork out extra cash to renew contract when getting newer iphone.

Moreover, it's not just their hardware. A company known as goo phone always make iphone counterfeits and yet it has never taken off. Why? Simply because people want and are willing to pay top dollars for iOS ease of use and iCloud integration. In fact, numerous android user friends of mine are interested to switch back to iphone due to upcoming iOS 8.

In summary, one can fake hardware but not software, apps and ecosystem. That's why iphone can command such a high premium.

 

[davidktw]

Wah self-praise without photos arh. You win you win. I not so shameless.

People like you support piracy is the shameless one. Parent like you passing down such trend and culture is the shameless one. Talking it like it's some kind of enlightenment in the public forum is the most shameless thing a parent can do. If you want to talk about shameless, talk about it in front of your kids, tell them you are not the one they should grow up to be.

 

[DavidTanGTR]

IPhone is just likes properties.

Buy and sell to make profit. Nothing great about its software or hardware.

It is all about making money for sellers.

A saleaman's and businessman's marketing weapon. That it is.

A true mobile phone user is an Android user for its flexibility.

true dat

 

[Knight_Rider]

Tell them lah

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/android-user-group-323/xiaomi-redmi-thread-4577923-208.html

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/android-user-group-323/xiaomi-mi3-thread-4582467-163.html

Tell me for wad? Lend me money first then talk.

People like you support piracy is the shameless one. Parent like you passing down such trend and culture is the shameless one. Talking it like it's some kind of enlightenment in the public forum is the most shameless thing a parent can do. If you want to talk about shameless, talk about it in front of your kids, tell them you are not the one they should grow up to be.

 

[davidktw]

Apple is slowly shifting production back to homeland. You can't beat piracy with fake ones coming out before the real McCoy. All you need to someone from the inside be it the engineer or the designer as IT professionals turn over will definitely hurt Apple closely guarded secret. Just like almost half of Xiaomi VPs are ex-google. With that out of the equation hopefully Apple will have a more "exclusive" and premium model to command top dollar. Then again the real test will come during ip7 when Steve future vision and ideas run out and the product comes solely from the present Apple team.

Apparently your vision is too narrow to keep affixed with Steve Jobs. No doubt Steve Jobs is a visionary, however Steve Jobs is not the one coming out with all the sleek design we see today in the market. Ive and his team is the one doing all the hardwork behind doors. The ones making the decision on what to put into the iPhone and Mac OS X is not completely from Steve Jobs. The ideas all come from the Apple team and their immediate leaders such as Craig Federighi. Tim Cooks when he was still doing the operations ensure the distribution channels we see today.

Just because Steve Jobs was the CEO and he gives approval and criticism to products doesn't mean he can come out with designs and software we see today. Somehow you have totally missed the point of Steve Job involvement in software and product design. He is the last line of defense against nonsense, but he don't kick start how design show start

If you ever read the Steve Jobs biography, you would have read about how during his commandeer in Apple, how he has always injected his culture into Apple, on how they should run without him. A good CEO is one that can allow a company strive on its own without his leadership. The leadership that was injected is in the investment of visionaries in the company. The reason why Apple is able to deliver is not solely of Steve Jobs but we have to give credits to him for his capability to mould Apple into what it is today.

Know how a corporate function please.

 

[davidktw]

Tell them lah

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/android-user-group-323/xiaomi-redmi-thread-4577923-208.html

Tell me for wad? Lend me money first then talk.

Will start with a shameless person like you first. Look like every moronic statement you have made. Lend me money.Lend me money. Behaving like a troll so openly. Behaving like a kid.

Driving no point at all. You want some money ? Go to the road and beg for it ok ?

 

[Knight_Rider]

Will start with a shameless person like you first.

Balless creature

Ok ok you win add you to the ignore list.

 

[davidktw]

Ballets creature

Right you can go and be one, go and dance in front of the orchard road and you will get your money. I may not be rich financial, but I dare to say I have higher self esteem compared to morons like you.

I know how to appreciate others effort in their works and respect their works and hence will to my best ability not to step over their work like some thrash. Even if I don't like their works, I still respect the ownership of their work.

As for you, I don't think you can even grasp the fundamental of such idea.

 

[davidktw]

Balless creature

Ok ok you win add you to the ignore list.

Be my guest. Add all you like. Why I care if you see or not. Hermit crab. So I see misspell ? hahaha So now is "balless". Are you referring to how balless you are to admit your mistake ?

 

[davidktw]

As mentioned earlier, apple products always command a premium and people are willing to spend. I have always been using iphone and due to high resale prices, I find myself not needing to fork out extra cash to renew contract when getting newer iphone.

Moreover, it's not just their hardware. A company known as goo phone always make iphone counterfeits and yet it has never taken off. Why? Simply because people want and are willing to pay top dollars for iOS ease of use and iCloud integration. In fact, numerous android user friends of mine are interested to switch back to iphone due to upcoming iOS 8.

In summary, one can fake hardware but not software, apps and ecosystem. That's why iphone can command such a high premium.

Precisely. People that knows a product well looks from all facets of the product. The hardware + software combination. The eco-system is very important. In the context of integration between desktop and mobile, this is also a very important aspect since mobile can't completely take over the desktop job in terms of productivity and efficiency. iOS 8 will show case such integration which I'm also looking forward to.

Boldness in the vision such as stripping away the OpenGL layer introducing Metal framework is also something an educated consumer should be looking at.

Not just plainly stock price because this is driven by the product and vision and news so forth. How the stock price will trend over the years will be a better telling of the company rather than a sudden dip or rise.

A smart consumer should all know your needs and how a product should compliment to it. If it doesn't, clearly it doesn't, then move to another product that may offer what is required. If somehow you insist on playing video daily on the phone and not willing to do it via a tablet, then go for Samsung and other such phablet options.

Somehow I don't get there is a cheapskate fella just wanna keep encouraging support to a pirating company that knows how to built on others success by copying.

 

[davidktw]

lets stop replyin 2 e wot troll

Troll ? What a pea brain. If something isn't to your like, just brand it a troll ? Clearly you are such a "good friend" with that shameless fella. Kudos to you.

 

[lyfeforce]

Okay, davidktw. Please stop it. I understand your need to see things done the right way, you cannot force the practice on anyone else.

Stop being hostile, it serves no one any purpose. Please discuss the issue with appropriate courtesy towards each other and learn to accept that everyone will never be in perfect acceptance of each other's opinions.

 

[davidktw]

Okay, davidktw. Please stop it. I understand your need to see things done the right way, you cannot force the practice on anyone else.

Stop being hostile, it serves no one any purpose. Please discuss the issue with appropriate courtesy towards each other and learn to accept that everyone will never be in perfect acceptance of each other's opinions.

Dear Moderator,

I can accept that different people have different opinions. I don't need everyone to accept what I advocate. I didn't come to this thread to start with vulgarities being thrown at me. I believe at some point while I'm discussing the matter at a placid manner, it was one particular poster that came full force throwing his twisted mind with vulgarities and trolling at me.

So for the sake of the record, I must confess that I didn't came trolling nor did I want to impose any uncourteous manner as you have pointed out. In any case, my presences here in the forum besides helping others with technical issues is also to broadcast a commonly accepted notion on how to perceive certain subjects. In this particular case would be on Intellectual Properties. Just because it isn't a tangible product, doesn't mean it isn't stealing. As such I rest my case as you have requested.

Noted with Thanks

 

[erwinrommel]

true dat

Disagree.

If you mac and iphone before, you will appreciate the combination of hardware and software. Android is too unpolished and lags like crap. My ten months experience with android is nothing short of painful.

 

[Salapi]

Disagree.

If you mac and iphone before, you will appreciate the combination of hardware and software. Android is too unpolished and lags like crap. My ten months experience with android is nothing short of painful.

that's true, but with android, it's open, u can practically do anything with it.

ios, very hard leh. your life lies in their hands, must wait they give you the feature... android u still can pray someone will do it somehow. china, or some amdk with the power. you can choose what u want to do.

 

[trento]

If the phone hardware, OS, apps and software are good, why wouldn't they charge $1288 for it?

Android phone vendors have more to worry about the rise of Xiaomi who sell their hardware at cost price and then earn through apps and services. It remains to be seen whether high end android smartphones are able to command such a premium when it's proven that hardware cost is low (xiaomi has showed it) while loading free third party OS and apps?

Having their own OS and ecosystem will determine their own destiny and technology route map and vision. Apple knows this since 1980s, microsoft knows this and now samsung is starting to know this by going into Tizen.

Xiaomi uses a Mediatek chipset which is cheaper than Qualcomm's chip, which is largely used in premium phones. So the one who should worry is Qualcomm, not Samsung, HTC etc.

The phone makers simply need to just use mediatek and they would be able to lower their cost.

Apple is in a world of its own so i don't c them being affected. Anyway, market share has never been a priority for Apple compared to quality and profits.

 

[trento]

Apparently your vision is too narrow to keep affixed with Steve Jobs. No doubt Steve Jobs is a visionary, however Steve Jobs is not the one coming out with all the sleek design we see today in the market. Ive and his team is the one doing all the hardwork behind doors. The ones making the decision on what to put into the iPhone and Mac OS X is not completely from Steve Jobs. The ideas all come from the Apple team and their immediate leaders such as Craig Federighi. Tim Cooks when he was still doing the operations ensure the distribution channels we see today.

Just because Steve Jobs was the CEO and he gives approval and criticism to products doesn't mean he can come out with designs and software we see today. Somehow you have totally missed the point of Steve Job involvement in software and product design. He is the last line of defense against nonsense, but he don't kick start how design show start

If you ever read the Steve Jobs biography, you would have read about how during his commandeer in Apple, how he has always injected his culture into Apple, on how they should run without him. A good CEO is one that can allow a company strive on its own without his leadership. The leadership that was injected is in the investment of visionaries in the company. The reason why Apple is able to deliver is not solely of Steve Jobs but we have to give credits to him for his capability to mould Apple into what it is today.

Know how a corporate function please.

I'm not sure Jobs lets things run on its own without him. From what i read, seems like he exerts a lot of control and influence. He's a very visible CEO. The trouble with such a CEO is things tend to decline when he's not around.

For eg Google, i bet not many even know who the heads are unless they...Google!

Back to Jobs. No doubt a great visionary. Agree it's not entirely his ideas but he certainly gave the final approval and led the team in a certain direction.

Now more importantly, he's the ultimate salesman. He's not the ultimate engineer. Apple's engineering beginning had in fact little to do with him. But a good salesman is the clincher. And at the moment, Apple badly needs a good salesman cos it has always relied on his sales prowess. Boy, do i miss those keynote speeches when Jobs was around. He was damn convincing most of the time.

 

[trento]

Disagree.

If you mac and iphone before, you will appreciate the combination of hardware and software. Android is too unpolished and lags like crap. My ten months experience with android is nothing short of painful.

which android phone u use?

while i like ios for its efficiency, Android gives me a lot of flexibility and im not talking about rooting and stuff. like having widgets, file management, multi tasking etc.

however, i must say not all android phones are great. the korean one is seriously bloated. HTC, Nexus, Motorola are my favourites for now. I still use ios for tablet. Basically, why limit yourself to one OS when can enjoy both. So tbh, i sometimes find the android vs ios argument silly.

We can't have 2 wives. So heck, just enjoy the different OS. We're not married to OSes, are we? Reminds me of a movie where a guy falling in love with an OS recently.