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This morning, met up some old friends for breakfast. Inevitably, we started talking about house, family and retirement.

I told them I started investing recently, and hope to achieve a decent portfolio by the time I'm 50. One of them asked me, if I can help her with her retirement plans also.

I said sure, but ultimately she have to DIY. I told her, my expected annual return is very conservative, only 3-4%. For every $100, I'm expecting to receive a dividend of $3+ per year.

Her reply shocked me: Franzz, I put in bank better! Bank interest rate is 1%! And I receive them monthly! I put in $100, every month get $1!

In my mind, siao liao. These people are professionals with tertiary education, and yet can't grasp simple financial concepts or do simple financial calculations. I can only wonder how the hell they are going to plan their retirement!

I tried to explain to her, what she calculated is effectively a 12% interest rate, but she keep saying I am wrong instead! LOL. Financial literacy classes should be made compulsory in school...

this group of people do not look at their statements interest at all.
interest is neligient to them.
They do not lack cash and are ready to retire anytime.
They only look at the balance.

In fact, there is a substantial amount of them in singapore.
 

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Financial literacy class shldnt be compulsory; like that no one will anyhow spend money ! PAP just "want" people to spend money, get the hint bah.

:D

Somebody needs to keep the economy going. If everyone saves, economy will shrink.:s13:
As long as there are more spenders than savers, we r alright. ;)

But being a mere saver is not enough. We must upgrade to being investors!:s12:
 

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this group of people do not look at their statements interest at all.
interest is neligient to them.
They do not lack cash and are ready to retire anytime.
They only look at the balance.

In fact, there is a substantial amount of them in singapore.

The elites!!!:eek: ya...they are increasing in numbers while senior citizens clear dishes in food courts.:(
 

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this group of people do not look at their statements interest at all.
interest is neligient to them.
They do not lack cash and are ready to retire anytime.
They only look at the balance.

In fact, there is a substantial amount of them in singapore.

Doesn't sound like a problem to me :s13:
 

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Singapore Savings Bonds already give around 2.5% per year average. If stocks only return 3-4% (including div+capital gains), it is not worth it.

My money all in either ES3 or A35.



Then when I told her, my expected dividend for next year is few hundred bucks, she asked me: Every month ah?

I say for whole year then she went SO LITTLE?! Wah, in my heart I was like want to intro you free money you complain little, think money easy to make ah?
 

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Palm Oil Facing `Powerful Cocktail' of El Nino, Fuel Demand

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Palm oil will extend its rally next year as the worst El Nino in almost two decades curbs output in the world’s biggest producers and Indonesia uses more for fuel, according to delegates at a conference in Bali. Futures climbed to the highest in almost three weeks.

The most consumed cooking oil found in everything from candy to instant noodles has jumped 26 percent from a six-year low in August after drought and smog hurt plantations in Southeast Asia. At the same time Indonesia is raising the amount of palm blended with diesel to 20 percent from 15 percent. That’s boosted futures as prices of other farm commodities slump.

“El Nino and the Indonesian biodiesel mandate are a powerful cocktail that has the potential to drive prices in 2016,” Dorab Mistry, director of Godrej International Ltd., said in an interview.

This El Nino will probably rank among the three strongest since 1950, the World Meteorological Organization says. It’s comparable to record events in 1997-98 and 1982-83, according to the Australian government. Output fell 5.5 percent in Malaysia and 7.2 percent in Indonesia in 1998, U.S. Department of Agriculture data show. Production slid 5.1 percent in Malaysia in 1983. The two countries supply about 86 percent of the world’s palm oil.

Palm oil output in Indonesia and Malaysia will stagnate or decline next year, conference speakers said. James Fry, chairman of LMC International Ltd., predicted a 9 percent drop in Indonesian production and 4.5 percent slide in Malaysian output on a full-blown El Nino, while Fadhil Hasan, executive director of the Indonesian Palm Oil Association, expected a decline of 3 percent to 5 percent.

While estimates varied on how much palm would be used as biodiesel in 2016, most delegates predicted an increase. Bayu Krisnamurthi, the head of the government-appointed Indonesia Estate Crop Fund for Palmoil, says Indonesian demand may climb to at least 7.1 million kiloliters (1.9 billion gallons) from 1.3 million kiloliters this year. Thomas Mielke, executive director of Oil World, said he doubted the rise would be as much as 3 million tons to 4 million tons.
Higher Prices

Ahmad Bambang, marketing director of PT Pertamina, sees a threefold growth in the state energy company’s procurement of biodiesel to 5.5 million kiloliters next year from 2014. Ivy Ng, regional head of plantations at CIMB Investment Bank Bhd., said it could be a game changer if use exceeded market expectations of as much as 3.5 million tons and reached what she called a blue-sky scenario of 7 million tons.

Mielke said the outlook for palm oil was bullish and he expected an increase in Rotterdam prices to $750 or more as the impact of El Nino starts to bite. Mistry said the price would reach 2,600 ringgit a ton if the Malaysian currency weakens past 4.5 to the dollar. Fry said a full-blown El Nino could push free-on-board prices to $800. Futures in Kuala Lumpur ended 0.9 percent higher at 2,361 ringgit on Friday, the highest since Nov. 9.
Comparisons of El Nino years.
Comparisons of El Nino years.

While palm futures have soared, prices of grains have dropped to five-year lows as global inventories of corn, wheat and soybeans rise to all-time highs before next year’s North American harvest.

Risks to the expansion in biodiesel use include a widening premium of palm oil over gas oil which increases the subsidy needed for each ton of biofuel and potential resistance from car manufacturers, delegates said. Abdul Rochim from the Indonesia Automotive Industry Association said concerns included rough idling, engine stalling and insufficient output power.

Both Indonesia and Malaysia also have high inventories to cushion the impact of a shortage. Malaysian stockpiles jumped to a record 2.83 million tons in October, Palm Oil Board data show, while reserves in Indonesia reached the highest in 30 months in August, according a Bloomberg survey.
 

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This morning, met up some old friends for breakfast. Inevitably, we started talking about house, family and retirement.

I told them I started investing recently, and hope to achieve a decent portfolio by the time I'm 50. One of them asked me, if I can help her with her retirement plans also.

I said sure, but ultimately she have to DIY. I told her, my expected annual return is very conservative, only 3-4%. For every $100, I'm expecting to receive a dividend of $3+ per year.

Her reply shocked me: Franzz, I put in bank better! Bank interest rate is 1%! And I receive them monthly! I put in $100, every month get $1!

In my mind, siao liao. These people are professionals with tertiary education, and yet can't grasp simple financial concepts or do simple financial calculations. I can only wonder how the hell they are going to plan their retirement!

I tried to explain to her, what she calculated is effectively a 12% interest rate, but she keep saying I am wrong instead! LOL. Financial literacy classes should be made compulsory in school...

Women................... LOL
 

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Singapore Savings Bonds already give around 2.5% per year average. If stocks only return 3-4% (including div+capital gains), it is not worth it.

ya lor...

for stocks... if STI ETF, i expect 3% dividends 5% capital gains in the long run (STI historical record is 8% annual returns)

if ownself invest... 5% dividends 5% capital gains in long run for 10% total returns


SSB risk free 2.5%
if take low risk should aim for 3-5%
stocks are considered high risk so 8-10% expected returns sounds right

if do forex/futures/cfd trading 20-50% annual returns, given that its super super risk and there's potential to lose all your capital
 

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Ask her read Rich Dad Poor Dad book.

Every month $1 song liao lor :s13:

Financial literacy class shldnt be compulsory; like that no one will anyhow spend money ! PAP just "want" people to spend money, get the hint bah.

:D

yeah ask her read rich dad poor dad LOL

seriously that book changed my life

if not i now still trapped in debt and forever slave of the company
 

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this group of people do not look at their statements interest at all.
interest is neligient to them.
They do not lack cash and are ready to retire anytime.
They only look at the balance.

In fact, there is a substantial amount of them in singapore.

last time i work in bank hor

I see before people have 1mil+ in their savings account before... not CSB-ing here... really 1mil+ and not even put into fixed deposit... stun like vegetable

singapore actually a lot of cash rich old folks one
 

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Palm Oil Facing `Powerful Cocktail' of El Nino, Fuel Demand

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Palm oil will extend its rally next year as the worst El Nino in almost two decades curbs output in the world’s biggest producers and Indonesia uses more for fuel, according to delegates at a conference in Bali. Futures climbed to the highest in almost three weeks.

The most consumed cooking oil found in everything from candy to instant noodles has jumped 26 percent from a six-year low in August after drought and smog hurt plantations in Southeast Asia. At the same time Indonesia is raising the amount of palm blended with diesel to 20 percent from 15 percent. That’s boosted futures as prices of other farm commodities slump.

“El Nino and the Indonesian biodiesel mandate are a powerful cocktail that has the potential to drive prices in 2016,” Dorab Mistry, director of Godrej International Ltd., said in an interview.

This El Nino will probably rank among the three strongest since 1950, the World Meteorological Organization says. It’s comparable to record events in 1997-98 and 1982-83, according to the Australian government. Output fell 5.5 percent in Malaysia and 7.2 percent in Indonesia in 1998, U.S. Department of Agriculture data show. Production slid 5.1 percent in Malaysia in 1983. The two countries supply about 86 percent of the world’s palm oil.

Palm oil output in Indonesia and Malaysia will stagnate or decline next year, conference speakers said. James Fry, chairman of LMC International Ltd., predicted a 9 percent drop in Indonesian production and 4.5 percent slide in Malaysian output on a full-blown El Nino, while Fadhil Hasan, executive director of the Indonesian Palm Oil Association, expected a decline of 3 percent to 5 percent.

While estimates varied on how much palm would be used as biodiesel in 2016, most delegates predicted an increase. Bayu Krisnamurthi, the head of the government-appointed Indonesia Estate Crop Fund for Palmoil, says Indonesian demand may climb to at least 7.1 million kiloliters (1.9 billion gallons) from 1.3 million kiloliters this year. Thomas Mielke, executive director of Oil World, said he doubted the rise would be as much as 3 million tons to 4 million tons.
Higher Prices

Ahmad Bambang, marketing director of PT Pertamina, sees a threefold growth in the state energy company’s procurement of biodiesel to 5.5 million kiloliters next year from 2014. Ivy Ng, regional head of plantations at CIMB Investment Bank Bhd., said it could be a game changer if use exceeded market expectations of as much as 3.5 million tons and reached what she called a blue-sky scenario of 7 million tons.

Mielke said the outlook for palm oil was bullish and he expected an increase in Rotterdam prices to $750 or more as the impact of El Nino starts to bite. Mistry said the price would reach 2,600 ringgit a ton if the Malaysian currency weakens past 4.5 to the dollar. Fry said a full-blown El Nino could push free-on-board prices to $800. Futures in Kuala Lumpur ended 0.9 percent higher at 2,361 ringgit on Friday, the highest since Nov. 9.
Comparisons of El Nino years.
Comparisons of El Nino years.

While palm futures have soared, prices of grains have dropped to five-year lows as global inventories of corn, wheat and soybeans rise to all-time highs before next year’s North American harvest.

Risks to the expansion in biodiesel use include a widening premium of palm oil over gas oil which increases the subsidy needed for each ton of biofuel and potential resistance from car manufacturers, delegates said. Abdul Rochim from the Indonesia Automotive Industry Association said concerns included rough idling, engine stalling and insufficient output power.

Both Indonesia and Malaysia also have high inventories to cushion the impact of a shortage. Malaysian stockpiles jumped to a record 2.83 million tons in October, Palm Oil Board data show, while reserves in Indonesia reached the highest in 30 months in August, according a Bloomberg survey.
Wilmar ftw.
 

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last time i work in bank hor

I see before people have 1mil+ in their savings account before... not CSB-ing here... really 1mil+ and not even put into fixed deposit... stun like vegetable

singapore actually a lot of cash rich old folks one

da fug, 1mil+ and put inside FD !

:eek:
 
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