[OFFICIAL] One Piece - manga/anime/merchandises - Part 3

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that's speculation though.

what we have for a fact is that luffy's body remained rubbery even whilst he was entirely underwater

so? im just saying kaido might be a dragon which ate a human devil fruit.

hence even when try to behead him, the blade shattered. cause when u put seastone shackles on him, he gets reverted back to a dragon.

also, if u wanna debunk someone point, at least use relevant examples. at least show an example where a transformed zoan doesnt change back to original after touching seastone.

i dont see your point here. you always like to use an irritating tone to start arguments and keep quiet after you get served a healthy dose of rekt.
 
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so? im just saying kaido might be a dragon which ate a human devil fruit.

hence even when try to behead him, the blade shattered. cause when u put seastone shackles on him, he gets reverted back to a dragon.

also, if u wanna debunk someone point, at least use relevant examples. at least show an example where a transformed zoan doesnt change back to original after touching seastone.

i dont see your point here. you always like to use an irritating tone to start arguments and keep quiet after you get served a healthy dose of rekt.
I remember when Chopper went monster mode in Water 7, he reverted to hybrid mode when Franky threw him into the sea.

He didn't turn back into a reindeer. his fruit power was still there.

At the time, he was straining himself to keep his monster mode active. Once he went unconscious / released control, he simply reverted to whatever state he was previously. He simply lost control. His power was always still active.
 
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I remember when Chopper went monster mode in Water 7, he reverted to hybrid mode when Franky threw him into the sea.

He didn't turn back into a reindeer. his fruit power was still there.

At the time, he was straining himself to keep his monster mode active. Once he went unconscious / released control, he simply reverted to whatever state he was previously. He simply lost control. His power was always still active.

How is that related to what i saying?

I am saying kaido might be a dragon that ate a human fruit.
So even with seastone shackles on, they cant behead him cause he is original form is a dragon and dragon skin v strong.

You tell me all those sai about what zoan users become when in water for what?
 

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How is that related to what i saying?

I am saying kaido might be a dragon that ate a human fruit.
So even with seastone shackles on, they cant behead him cause he is original form is a dragon and dragon skin v strong.

You tell me all those sai about what zoan users become when in water for what?

Because once you eat a fruit, any fruit powderful or lame, water becomes your Achilles heel?

Or I reading the argument wrong?
 

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I could be wrong but I thought chopper ate the human devil fruit alreadi?
 

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How is that related to what i saying?

I am saying kaido might be a dragon that ate a human fruit.
So even with seastone shackles on, they cant behead him cause he is original form is a dragon and dragon skin v strong.

You tell me all those sai about what zoan users become when in water for what?

And how has water got anything to do with my point that kaido might be a dragon which ate a human fruit hence he cant be beheaded even with seastone shackles as he was originally a dragon n dragons are durable as fug?

They are saying seastone & sea water dont totally remove one's devil fruit power. Hence, kaido with remnant of his dragon fruit power can still be indestructible.


Ur prediction has some valid possibility too.
 

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And how has water got anything to do with my point that kaido might be a dragon which ate a human fruit hence he cant be beheaded even with seastone shackles as he was originally a dragon n dragons are durable as fug?

Uh dono but then again, got 1 fish man ate a fruit, end up he lose all his fishy abilities? That wan also durable as fug compared to human...

All speculation lea, scarly he got some Germa 66 tech in him...
 

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Uh dono but then again, got 1 fish man ate a fruit, end up he lose all his fishy abilities? That wan also durable as fug compared to human...

All speculation lea, scarly he got some Germa 66 tech in him...

That guy lose the ability to swim but he still can breathe underwater. So his basic fisherman body still working.

For most devil users cant swim and human body cant breathe in water too, thats why sea is deadly.
 

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That guy lose the ability to swim but he still can breathe underwater. So his basic fisherman body still working.

For most devil users cant swim and human body cant breathe in water too, thats why sea is deadly.

All these devil fruit users hygiene must be terrible :s13:
 

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already established that yonkou cannot be defeated


Gol D rogers escape from big mam

luffy escape from big mam
 

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I could be wrong but I thought chopper ate the human devil fruit alreadi?
there are different variants.

chopper is a normal zoan, human fruit

sengoku is a mystical zoan, human fruit: buddha model


They are saying seastone & sea water dont totally remove one's devil fruit power. Hence, kaido with remnant of his dragon fruit power can still be indestructible.


Ur prediction has some valid possibility too.
he hasnt shown any evidence, based purely on his own speculation of paramecias n logia, deduce that zoans does not transform back to original form when dunked in water or in contact with seastone.

and when u provide a detailed analysis, he simply brushes it all with speculation, as if his is hard facts.

300iq over there.


anw from what i see, seastone is a complete nullify of devil fruit powers. like once in contact = gg.
whereas water quickly drains df users til the point they are too weak to use it or even move.

how else are df users in seastone chains n shackles able to move about freely like normal ppl, but unable to activate their df abilities at all?
also, wouldnt they be too weak to even move if seastone drains energy like water does to df users?

or, when locked in seastone, if seastone is the same as water, macro couldve easily healed the holes in his body by activating the flames solely on that part of his body. or rather, just cut off his arm and use his flames to heal back.
but instead, he can move about like normal, but his df ability cant be activated.

so in a way u can say when in water, df abilities still there, but users will be too weak to use it for prolonged periods.
when incontact with seastone, df gets supressed/locked away
 
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Seems like shanks is the only one among all the yonko (including whitebeard) that didn't have any devil fruit powers, unless he consume a devil fruit after he rescued luffy at sea in book 1

and if he became yonko without any devil fruit, just purely on his fighting abilities and haki (he tied fighting with mihawk before he lost his arm).. he's the super big badass monsterous most powerful human in the current world
 

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Seems like shanks is the only one among all the yonko (including whitebeard) that didn't have any devil fruit powers, unless he consume a devil fruit after he rescued luffy at sea in book 1

and if he became yonko without any devil fruit, just purely on his fighting abilities and haki (he tied fighting with mihawk before he lost his arm).. he's the super big badass monsterous most powerful human in the current world

he tied fighting with mihawk even after he lost his arm
 

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Its after? I always thought its before..
Coz mihawk got mentioned before he dun want to fight shanks after he lost his arm (coz he feels its a waste of time)
 

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I dont get your joke tho. :(

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there are different variants.

chopper is a normal zoan, human fruit

sengoku is a mystical zoan, human fruit: buddha model



he hasnt shown any evidence, based purely on his own speculation of paramecias n logia, deduce that zoans does not transform back to original form when dunked in water or in contact with seastone.

and when u provide a detailed analysis, he simply brushes it all with speculation, as if his is hard facts.

300iq over there.


anw from what i see, seastone is a complete nullify of devil fruit powers. like once in contact = gg.
whereas water quickly drains df users til the point they are too weak to use it or even move.

how else are df users in seastone chains n shackles able to move about freely like normal ppl, but unable to activate their df abilities at all?
also, wouldnt they be too weak to even move if seastone drains energy like water does to df users?

or, when locked in seastone, if seastone is the same as water, macro couldve easily healed the holes in his body by activating the flames solely on that part of his body. or rather, just cut off his arm and use his flames to heal back.
but instead, he can move about like normal, but his df ability cant be activated.

so in a way u can say when in water, df abilities still there, but users will be too weak to use it for prolonged periods.
when incontact with seastone, df gets supressed/locked away
that's assuming seastone works differently from the sea

wasn't it stated in the story before that seastone works because it emits the same energy as the sea?

though honestly now that you mention it, i realise we have never seen someone tested under seastone influence. seastone could very well work differently from the sea (and the above statement a misunderstanding of an in-story character).

and it also would be odd that smoker's seastone jutte could hurt luffy if he was still made of rubber.
 
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Seastone

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/b/b0/Seastone_Infobox.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?**=20181006031722 Statistics

Japanese Name:

海楼石

Romanized Name:

Kairōseki

Official English Name:

Sea-Prism Stone

First Appearance:

Chapter 100, Episode 53

Translated as:

Seastone

Literal meaning:

Sea Watchtower Stone

Seastone (海楼石 Kairōseki?, translated as "Seastone"; literally meaning "Sea Watchtower Stone"), called Sea-Prism Stone in the English versions, and Cherry Stone in One Piece: Grand Battle, is a naturally occurring (though apparently rare) substance that can drain the energy of Devil Fruit users to the point where they can't consciously control their powers. Dr. Vegapunk has invented revolutionary ways to use this rare substance. The Marines appear to have vast quantities of it, using it for jail cells,handcuffs, weapons, and the bottoms of battleships.
Contents


Properties

It is stated by Pagaya that Seastone contains a compound known as Pyrobloin (パイロブロイン Pairoburoin?) which when separated from Seastone can help to create Island Clouds or Sea Clouds.
Seastone is said to be as hard as diamond.
Effects on Devil Fruit Users

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/9/90/Smoker_Subdues_Luffy_at_Marineford.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/210?**=20130224105706 Smoker using Seastone to incapacitate Luffy.
It was stated by Vice Admiral Smoker that Seastone "gives off a wavelength that is the same as the sea itself" making him refer to it as a solid form of the sea. So far the material has only shown effect upon actual contact with someone who has eaten a Devil Fruit. Upon contact the material drains the victim's body of energy, and stops them from controlling their Devil Fruit powers - having the same effect as throwing them into the sea.
The degree of "weakness" induced by the Seastone depends on its density and composition; for example, Seastone handcuffs rob the prisoner of their abilities, but still allow the prisoner to move their bodies around normally. Seastone only works upon direct and constant contact, which explains how Smoker can carry a Seastone-tipped jitte on his back, without it disabling him (presumably, thick clothing will prevent the Seastone's effect from harming the victim).
However, it has been shown that although a Devil Fruit user loses his/her powers when in contact with the Seastone, said powers can still be used on and affect the Seastone. Another example is when Mr. 3's candle wax key could open Seastone cuffs and cell doors, though this may be because the locks themselves are not made of Seastone or because the wax has no Devil Fruit powers inside it, as shown when he unlocked Ace's Seastone handcuffs. Another example is when Shiki levitated battleships in Marineford, despite the hulls being lined with Seastone. Trafalgar Law was also able to switch Seastone chains with regular ones, using his abilities.
Other Effects

The effects of Seastone also affect creatures of the sea such as Sea Kings. By layering the bottom of ships with Seastone, creatures that are underneath the ship will be unaware of the vessel, and thus will not attack it. However, while the Seastone hides the movements of the vessel traversing above the Sea Kings, that does not mean they still cannot see the ship. This, along with the effect of Devil Fruits, is researched by Dr. Vegapunk, a Marine scientist.
Items

Typically, Seastone is primarily found in the form of restraining devices, such as shackles or cages, but they have other uses. Thus, it is deployed as a Devil Fruit counter by the Marines as well as other groups like the Shichibukai and Cipher Pol. Some devices are adapted so the Marines with Devil Fruits can use these weapons, without actually making contact with the device themselves, an event which would nullify their own powers in the process of trying to handle another with a Devil Fruit ability.
Weapons


  • Nanashaku Jitte: Smoker's jitte, where the tip is made of Seastone, so Smoker can use it to nullify his opponent's Devil Fruit powers.
  • Wiper's Skates: Wiper's skate-type Waver has added Seastone, so he could use it to nullify Enel's Logia abilities.
  • Battle Smasher: Z's large mechanical arm is embedded with Seastone, allowing him to effectively nullify Devil Fruit powers.
  • Bullets: Z uses them for long-ranged attacks against Devil Fruit users, such as Monkey D. Luffy. Those bullets not only wound Devil Fruit users, but also rob them of their strength and their ability to use their powers until they are extracted, making them very effective weapons. Capone Bege threatened to shoot down Caesar Clown with such bullets if he did not show himself, only to reveal he did not have such bullets.
  • Spear: Bege has a spear made of Seastone which he had one of his subordinates use in order to restrain Caesar Clown.
Restraints


  • Seastone Net: Used in Loguetown, a net made of Seastone was thrown on Buggy and Alvida completely preventing them from using their powers. Alternatively, it was used to capture Monkey D. Luffy, Buggy, and Mr. 3 in Impel Down, but the Sphinx tore it apart, indicating that only parts of the net contain Seastone, while the rest is steel cable.
  • Seastone Cage: Seen in Alabasta, it was used by Crocodile to drain Luffy and Smoker's powers and make them unable to use their Devil Fruit abilities. The Government's central prison, Impel Down, also uses Seastone cages.
  • Seastone Cuffs: A special handcuff made to arrest those with Devil Fruit powers. The lock is made of Seastone so that when a Devil Fruit user is wearing them, they cannot use their powers, but unlike other Seastone, it does not inhibit their mobility. During the Enies Lobby raid, Nico Robin wore them until Sogeking delivered the key to the bridge. Despite being unable to use her powers to fight back, she was able to move, and could attempt to escape or otherwise resist being taken to the Gates of Justice. Sogeking tried to throw Seastone handcuffs at Jabra and Kaku in order to prevent them from using their Devil Fruit powers and make them easier to defeat, but got distracted by Kaku's "square" giraffe face and accidentally threw them on Zoro's wrist, and got handcuffed to him while also ducking due to Kaku's Amanedachi. These were also hooked onto Ace's arms and legs in his prison cell in Impel Down to prevent him from using his Devil Fruit powers. Onigumo also clasped one onto Marco during the war in Marineford, to nullify his Devil Fruit powers. Usopp fired a pair of Seastone shackles to coil around Caesar Clown's neck, disabling his Gasu Gasu no Mi ability.
Other Uses


  • Marine Ships: Dr. Vegapunk has discovered that Seastone can mask the presence of a ship from Sea Kings and other sea-dwellers, and therefore had the bottom of Marine ships covered in a layer of it, which is especially useful when traveling across the Calm Belt. However, the Sea Kings can still see the ship, so it is not an absolute protection.
  • Jewelry: Nico Robin was weakened by a jewel (a Seastone necklace) in a filler when she tried to stop Ian from escaping the Rainbow Mist.
  • Fortification: Some people use it to fortify sensitive buildings and facilities, making them virtually indestructible. The SMILE Factory in Dressrosa is made out of Seastone.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Seastone
 
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