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Thanks for the thorough explanation... I think something like this....
and I will repeat Month 2 to Month 6 cycle.
It's certainly more complicated! Any particular reasons why? It's also a little more expensive in terms of commissions.

Are you also trying to design an ongoing investment plan for US$30,000/year after this first $30K, a plan that'll maintain a 90%/10% IWDA/EIMI split? If so, you don't have that yet. Repeating that $9,500 pattern every 5 months doesn't get you to either $30K/year or to the desired split.
 
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It's certainly more complicated! Any particular reasons why? It's also a little more expensive in terms of commissions.

Are you also trying to design an ongoing investment plan for US$30,000/year after this first $30K, a plan that'll maintain a 90%/10% IWDA/EIMI split? If so, you don't have that yet. Repeating that $9,500 pattern every 5 months doesn't get you to either $30K/year or to the desired split.

Yes. Sorry for the maths.

I think after the 11 months, I'd do 2,000K for 5 months and then 1,000 for EIMI for 1 month. Should easy enough to remember. Since it's a 6 months cycle.
 

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I think after the 11 months, I'd do 2,000K for 5 months and then 1,000 for EIMI for 1 month. Should easy enough to remember. Since it's a 6 months cycle.
Well, that'd be a little off a perfect 90-10 split. (Not that I'm complaining.) It'd also be US$22,000 per year, not US$30,000.

What investment program are you trying to develop? So far it seems you've got US$30,000 in a lump sum that you'd like to invest, and that you have some amount of incoming U.S. dollar income (from where?) that'll be invested thereafter -- US$30K/year? But start with those parameters: what have you got now, and what future income (in what currency) are you allocating to IWDA and EIMI thereafter? If I know those basic facts, then I can suggest an investment program.
 
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Well, that'd be a little off a perfect 90-10 split. (Not that I'm complaining.) It'd also be US$22,000 per year, not US$30,000.

What investment program are you trying to develop? So far it seems you've got US$30,000 in a lump sum that you'd like to invest, and that you have some amount of incoming U.S. dollar income (from where?) that'll be invested thereafter -- US$30K/year? But start with those parameters: what have you got now, and what future income (in what currency) are you allocating to IWDA and EIMI thereafter? If I know those basic facts, then I can suggest an investment program.

The bulk of my investment are in UT , Cash ( Poems ) and CPF ( FSM ).
Yeah I know the expense ratio of UT is bad but during the the run a couple of years back the % is quite good, I'm currently taking out the Cash part to switch to ETF. For the CPF part , I guess I leave it there unless there are better options which I can't think of. Generally as of now, it's doing pretty well at double digits but this 6 months are slower due to trade wars etc and hence I'm looking at diversifying some to ETF.
 
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It seems like you're answering a different question. :D

Yeah I know the expense ratio of UT is bad but during the the run a couple of years back the % is quite good....
OK, so you can reduce the ongoing expenses associated with those unit trusts by redeeming them (on a zero redemption charge platform) then immediately reinvesting the proceeds in lower cost funds that closely replicate your unit trust holdings, assuming you're happy with the composition of those holdings. Nothing lost, but you reduce the cost of your investing. What's wrong with that, and why aren't you doing it, now?

I'm currently taking out the Cash part to switch to ETF.
OK, that's the US$30K lump sum I guess.

For the CPF part, I guess I leave it there unless there are better options which I can't think of. Generally as of now, it's doing pretty well at double digits but this 6 months are slower due to trade wars etc and hence I'm looking at diversifying some to ETF.
The CPF Investment Scheme (Ordinary Account, I assume) offers a fairly limited range of "onshore" choices (which then can be reasonably well diversified internationally), but they tend to be high cost choices. So you just do the best you can to keep costs in check, consistent with your overall portfolio allocation objectives.

Personally, I like transferring some or all OA funds to SA while that opportunity is available, since 4+% (cost free) is quite nice in the circumstances. I then treat the SA as a weirdly high yielding Singapore dollar bond for retirement savings. Then, once that trick is exhausted (i.e. SA has reached the FRS), and OA funds (above/beyond prudent housing needs/mortgage defense) start to pile up, and you're well below age 55, the CPFIS starts to get somewhat interesting.
 
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Hi guys, just did a DCA calculations for STI over a period of 9 years, realize that the total percentage year on year increment was only around 2.5%. I am not sure if my calculations are correct. Anybody can advise? If my calculations are right, then STI's ROI is actually quite pathetic...

Date Close Volume of stock purchased using $1500 (close)
31/1/2009 1.62 1,052
28/2/2009 1.71 997
31/3/2009 1.9 897
30/4/2009 2.35 725
31/5/2009 2.34 728
30/6/2009 2.67 638
31/7/2009 2.66 641
31/8/2009 2.67 638
30/9/2009 2.68 636
31/10/2009 2.77 615
30/11/2009 2.91 586
31/12/2009 2.77 615
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31/5/2017 3.34 467
30/6/2017 3.42 456
31/7/2017 3.41 454
31/8/2017 3.35 462
30/9/2017 3.51 441
31/10/2017 3.56 435
30/11/2017 3.54 437
31/12/2017 3.61 429
31/1/2018 3.6 423
28/2/2018 3.51 434
31/3/2018 3.74 407
30/4/2018 3.58 425
31/5/2018 3.4 448
30/6/2018 3.42 445
31/7/2018 3.33 450
31/8/2018 3.38 444
30/9/2018 3.38 444
Total volume of stock purchased over 9 year period: 63,372
Total payout: $214,199
Invested amount: $175,500
% year on year: 2.5%

I also STI Index like G3B have lower return compare with the actual STi index

it is like 2 to 3% only
 
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OK, so you can reduce the ongoing expenses associated with those unit trusts by redeeming them (on a zero redemption charge platform) then immediately reinvesting the proceeds in lower cost funds that closely replicate your unit trust holdings, assuming you're happy with the composition of those holdings. Nothing lost, but you reduce the cost of your investing. What's wrong with that, and why aren't you doing it, now?

I'm reducing the expense ratio as I read it will contribute to the overall P&L. I will not be using my current FSM/POEMS platform. Redeem to Cash and TT to IB .

Currently the UT is still doing OK but diversifying is good, right haha? I'm also experimenting with ETF as I'm starting to learn the IB interface hence I need to take it slow initially. During my UT days, I'm heavy on China haha and Technology funds. If possible, I'd try to incorp them in my ETF portfolio ( no rush ). I would like my portfolio to be stable but maybe a certain % that will able to provide epic GROWTH. No bonds for me.

The CPF Investment Scheme (Ordinary Account, I assume) offers a fairly limited range of "onshore" choices (which then can be reasonably well diversified internationally), but they tend to be high cost choices. So you just do the best you can to keep costs in check, consistent with your overall portfolio allocation objectives.

Personally, I like transferring some or all OA funds to SA while that opportunity is available, since 4+% (cost free) is quite nice in the circumstances. I then treat the SA as a weirdly high yielding Singapore dollar bond for retirement savings. Then, once that trick is exhausted (i.e. SA has reached the FRS), and OA funds (above/beyond prudent housing needs/mortgage defense) start to pile up, and you're well below age 55, the CPFIS starts to get somewhat interesting.

The transferring to SA for 4% is always on my mind but so far the UT is doing well and OA is more liquid to me. I can still use it to pay off house if required but your suggestion is good. Thanks
 
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  1. Use Stanchart. You’re investing for decades; promotions will run out after a few months.
  2. You shouldn’t be buying US-listed stocks; the dividends get taxed at a relatively high rate. Buying ETFs listed in the UK lets you minimize the tax hit.

Thanks! How about Stanchart vs IB?
Aside from the fee, what else should I compare between the brokers?

In that case you can jump straight away to Interactive brokers. Your currency conversion cost+commissions will definitely be more than USD 120 a year with other brokers.

Sent from Dont Take Any Of My Statment As Investment Advice. Do Your Own Due Diligence. using GAGT

Thanks! How do the currency conversion costs compare between those brokers?
 

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Redeem to Cash and TT to IB .
OK, but don't do any currency conversions outside IB. That'll cost more than letting IB do it.

During my UT days, I'm heavy on China haha and Technology funds. If possible, I'd try to incorp them in my ETF portfolio ( no rush ).
Well, there is a rush in the sense that every additional year you hold a high cost fund subtracts, say, 1% from your total return (if it's 100 basis points more expensive than a compositionally similar alternative).

If you have $30K in high cost unit trusts (assuming 100 basis points higher), then each day costs you roughly $1, each week about $6, each month about $25.

I would like my portfolio to be stable but maybe a certain % that will able to provide epic GROWTH. No bonds for me.
That doesn't make any sense. (That's some "word salad" there.)

The transferring to SA for 4% is always on my mind but so far the UT is doing well and OA is more liquid to me. I can still use it to pay off house if required but your suggestion is good.
You can choose any number of OA dollars (and even pennies) to transfer to SA that you wish, as long as your SA is below the Full Retirement Sum.
 

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Hi Guys,

May i ask if anyone knows how does IB fx rate compared to Transferwise? Anyone tried before? Thank you.
 

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i was searching for other Ireland domiciled ETFs and noticed VUSD (Vanguard S&P 500 UCITS ETF).

How does this compare to IWDA? seems like holdings are very similar but VUSD has a much lower mgmt fee and expense ratio.
 

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I also STI Index like G3B have lower return compare with the actual STi index

it is like 2 to 3% only

The only difference between G3B/ES3's returns, and the STI-plus-dividends index, is the 0.3-ish-percent-per-year management fee.

Thanks! How do the currency conversion costs compare between those brokers?

Stanchart typically takes about 0.5% on a SGD-to-USD conversion, and another half a percent on the return leg. IB's spreads are basically zero.

Hi Guys,

May i ask if anyone knows how does IB fx rate compared to Transferwise? Anyone tried before? Thank you.

Transferwise is typically good, but IB is better.

i was searching for other Ireland domiciled ETFs and noticed VUSD (Vanguard S&P 500 UCITS ETF).

How does this compare to IWDA? seems like holdings are very similar but VUSD has a much lower mgmt fee and expense ratio.

They're different things. VUSD only owns US stocks; IWDA holds stocks from all across the world.

You don't want VUSD, because you're giving up on the diversification benefits of owning European, Japanese, Australian, etc etc etc stocks.

Thanks again for the clarification :)

it puzzles me as to why Singaporeans invest in those overseas/US-listed ETFs with that 30% withholding tax. :s11:

is there any recommended source for identifying the UK-listed equivalent of US-listed ETFs?

also, what's your thoughts on robo-advisors?

1) Me too. I think it's just that people don't realise the DWT hit exists, because divs in Singapore are almost always tax-free, and the assumption is that that's the same everywhere else.
2) Not really. The only good way is to go to the websites for Vanguard UK, iShares UK, and State Street UK, and hunt for it yourself.
3) Roboadvisors are generally a very good thing! They make it a lot easier to "set and forget" your investments, which is the right way to do it; and they handle all the rebalancing and everything for you. My problem with Singaporean roboadvisors is that they never get it quite right: either their fees are too high, or they use US-listed ETFs for no clear reason, or they get something else wrong. I keep saying this, but if any enterprising person wants to start a good roboadvisor, call me and I'll consult for you.

Hi Shiny Things, thanks for the reply. Was looking forward to that reply.

Is it a good idea in general to lend securities? Say on interactive brokers, lending my IWDA. What are the risks involved for that extra interest (which is quite very tasty btw)

The only risk is that the borrower blows up (very rare) and they can't return the shares (even rarer). If that happens, though, you have security, because the borrower has to give you cash collateral equal to about 102% of the loan... so if they blow up, you get to keep the cash instead.

Understood!

Will buying US ETFs and then going stock yield enhancement earn me more than buying an equivalent overseas ETF with 15% DWT?

Uhh... almost certainly not, because your stocks aren't going to be loaned out all the time, or even most of the time.

For comparison: I make about 0.2% a year on stock loan across my whole portfolio, and I'm deliberately picking ETFs to maximise my stock loan revenue. The DWT discount on an Irish ETF paying 2%/yr in divs is worth 0.3%.

1) You have advised me to sell some of my SG stock and buy global stock.

May I know what is the "ideal" allocation for the stocks?

2) I am confuse between the 2.

Right now, I have been trying to set aside a portion of my salary for savings and another portion for investment.

I have read it somewhere that one should have an estimated 6month equivalent of expense as emergency fund.

If that is the case, does anything above 6 month count as emergency or can they be used as retirement fund?

I was planning to use it as a retirement fund.

Does it seem too little for an emergency fund or is my concept not advisable and ideal?

3) What is MBH?

1) If you're planning to retire in Singapore, I think the right balance is 50-50 between Singapore stocks and global stocks; that gives you plenty of diversification without taking too much risk of the SGD strengthening against you.
2) Anything above six months' expenses, you can chuck into your retirement fund. You don't need, or want, to keep too much in cash.
3) MBH is an exchange-traded fund that owns Singapore-dollar-denominated corporate bonds. It's a relatively safe bond investment, that gives you more yield than Singapore government bonds, and is easy to buy and sell.

What do you think of this strategy?

Say i have 30k USD. Split 90% 10% IWDA and EIMI purchase through LSE.
First I will do a lumpsome of 10k
Then I will DCA 2k every month, buying IWDA and EIMI alternately( to balance the ratio ) to save on the transaction fees.

It's "lump sum". I'm not a prescriptivist but even I have limits.

Anyway, I think that's a bit too slow - you're spreading your purchases over almost a year. I'd do, say, $5k a month over six months; five months IWDA, one month EIMI. Don't think too hard about it.
 

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They're different things. VUSD only owns US stocks; IWDA holds stocks from all across the world.

You don't want VUSD, because you're giving up on the diversification benefits of owning European, Japanese, Australian, etc etc etc stocks.

ah i see.

VUSD: US stocks, gives dividend
CSPX: US stocks, reinvest dividend (sorry if this was already asked before but, when the reinvestment takes place, is it affected by the 15% tax?)

VWRD: global stocks, gives dividend
IWDA: global stocks, reinvest dividend

Ideally one should go for the one that reinvest dividend to avoid additional transaction fees when performing on your own?

Will this combination be ideal? IWDA + CSPX + EIMI
 

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Hi guys. Just to clarify. Noob questions. But still learning everyday.

On interactive brokers.

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1. All 3 tickers are all on LSEETF. But why does only 2 of them appear with the word c? Next to the price.

2. What does a white font means and a slightly darkened font means?

3. How do I know if a stock price shown is in which currency? I understand I can find it on LSE website. Is that enough?

4. I am used to googling for my answer but this is one of those times where no matter how hard i research, I can't seem to find any answers. Teach a man to fish please?

5. Am I right to say that the only difference between CRPA and CORP is that one is dividend accumulating, one is dividend distributing? There are no differences in fees, taxes, and etc for a average Singaporean.

6. I understand that there is a GBP hedged, USD hedged version of CORP. Why do bond funds not hedge themselves against both GBP and USD? Isn't two better than one?

7. Should I go for a currency hedged version of CORP since I am retiring in Singapore? I would really love no exposure to USD/GBP.

8. I understand that LSE trading hours start from 8 am to 4.30 pm. Why does the 15 minutes candle charts on Interactive brokers show timings from 11.45 to 17.45?
 
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CSPX: US stocks, reinvest dividend (sorry if this was already asked before but, when the reinvestment takes place, is it affected by the 15% tax?)
Yes. The dividend tax is paid (handled by the fund manager), and then the remaining dividends are reinvested.

Ideally one should go for the one that reinvest dividend to avoid additional transaction fees when performing on your own?
Absent a compelling reason otherwise, yes.

Will this combination be ideal? IWDA + CSPX + EIMI
Ideal for what? IWDA already includes everything in CSPX, so the addition of CSPX would be an overweighting of U.S. listed/traded stocks. Is there any reason you'd like to do that?
 

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Stanchart typically takes about 0.5% on a SGD-to-USD conversion, and another half a percent on the return leg. IB's spreads are basically zero.

I see, do you have any info on Saxo?

I did some calculation, and found that it's cheaper to use Saxo until I reach a certain amount, before jumping to IB. Is it worth doing so?

I'm concerned about the
  • Transfer fees (saxo's website said there's no transfer fee, but I don't if there's other fee)
  • Saxo's currency convertion spread vs IB's
  • Other differences between the two
 

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With the view of US raising interest rates, short term bonds will not be as affected.

Which short term bond ETFs should I target then? Preferably with the 15% DWT.

the time to maturity for CORP seems to be too long to be immune from US interest rates. (6.7 years)

I still want to put more into bonds to hedge against a possible downturn meanwhile.
 

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Ideal for what? IWDA already includes everything in CSPX, so the addition of CSPX would be an overweighting of U.S. listed/traded stocks. Is there any reason you'd like to do that?

ah ok my bad. i was under the impression that IWDA is for global whereas CSPX is mainly US.
 

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Which short term bond ETFs should I target then? Preferably with the 15% DWT.
I assume you’re interested in U.S. dollar denominated bonds. You could buy U.S. Treasuries directly if you wish. Schwab is probably the best way to do that (for Singapore resident investors and many others) since they allow you to buy U.S. Treasuries at initial auction, and to hold them until maturity, for absolutely zero charge. There’s zero interest and zero estate tax on those for non-U.S. persons.

The U.S. listed/traded ETF “BIL” is the shortest term U.S. Treasury fund that I’ve found, and it holds T-bills with 4 week to 13 week maturities. It appears that the fund manager reports interest correctly for foreign (non-U.S.) investors, so the zero interest tax treatment should pass through. You should test that with a small holding before committing much. The annual fund expenses on BIL are pretty low, and it has a lot of trading volume. BIL will still be subject to the U.S. estate tax, however (and as I understand it). If that matters.

I still want to put more into bonds to hedge against a possible downturn meanwhile.
U.S. Treasuries are the absolute safest place you can park U.S. dollars, and if held to maturity there’s no risk of exiting with fewer dollars than you paid.

ah ok my bad. i was under the impression that IWDA is for global whereas CSPX is mainly US.
IWDA holds stocks from around the developed world. The U.S. is a developed economy, the world’s largest, and thus U.S. listed/traded stocks represent slightly over half of IWDA’s value at present. U.S. listed/traded stocks do a LOT of business around the world, in the aggregate. Don’t conflate country of listing with country(ies) of business activities.
 

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Does anyone in here hold TLT and can comfirm there is no 30% withholding tax? I got charge 30% withholding tax, spoke to the live customer chat and they told me TLT is categorised as cash dividend and not interest and therefore there is 30% tax.
 
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