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This fund might be tax inappropriate for non-U.S. persons. You have to check carefully (in the prospectus) whether the fund managers report qualified interest income properly for purposes of foreign (non-U.S. person) holding. From what I've seen in other prospectuses, Blackrock doesn't do that for its U.S. domiciled funds. So you'd be whacked with a 30% withholding tax on fund distributions. Moreover, that fund will be subject to the U.S. estate tax, if that matters.

I would like to put my spare USD in IB to work while DCAing over a 3 year period into IWDA. What do you guys recommend I should do?
1. I don't recommend elongating dollar cost averaging a lump sum over a 3 year period. It's too long. A year, maybe 18 months, but not 3 years.

2. Direct holding of U.S. Treasuries works. So would FDIC/NCUA insured certificates of deposit (CDs).

What bonds would be relevant for this short term, rising interest rates, recession looming environment?
Short term U.S. Treasuries, such as a ladder of t-bills/notes. And/or a ladder of CDs.

My goal is to hedge against rising interest rates, and hedge against looming recession while maximising yield.
Which is funny, because everybody wants the highest yields with the lowest risk. :D

If you want a short-term bond fund, then the SPDR fund BIL (U.S. domiciled) looks like it might work since it appears that particular fund manager reports interest correctly for foreign shareholding purposes. That fund will still be subject to the U.S. estate tax.

If you want something in Ireland then you could take a look at IBTA and/or ERNA. ERNA is problematic since the fund size is so small, so bid-ask spreads are likely to be wide. IBTA looks pretty good, although it's not ultra-short.
 

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Just saw this revised fees announcement on SCB. Now need pay stamp duty for IWDA?

https://av.sc.com/sg/content/docs/fees-schedule-for-investments-and-insurance-160818.pdf
nope, i just bought IWDA on Thursday and was charged only for brokerage fee and GST, none for stamp duty.

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Rich by Retirement

Hi Shiny,

I have read your book "Rich by Retirement". It is very informative and simple to understand.

I have a few questions below and hope you can help me on.

1. Currently I'm in my 40s. I have invested in G3B via POSB Invest-saver since 2014. Now I have around $20K worth of G3B for example. If I want to diversify using your suggested method into gobal ETF IWDA and A35. How should I go about diversifying with my existing G3B? Let say I have $1K to invest monthly.

Target for 40s:
G3B 35%
IWDA 35%
A35 30%

Current portfolio:
G3B 100% ($20K)
IWDA 0%
A35 0%

An example in the book says we should put the money into the portion which have not meet the desire percentage. So do I stop contributing G3B and diverse 70% to IWDA and 30% A35? If I stop contributing to G3B, will I miss the dollar cost averaging benefits ad compound intrest of G3B? Coz it will take afew years to achieve the target for IWDA and A35.

2. For rebalancing, it is done 2 times per year. For monthly contribution like the POSB invest-saver, the total investment sum is changing every month. Example in book is using fixed amount. How do we do rebalancing?

Hope to hear from you soon. Thank u.
 

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Few question I encounter while using the IBKR app

When we bought let say IWDA, there is new section "Position" which show the Mkt. Value, Average Price, Cost Basis, Unrealized P&L & Realized P&L in the IBKR app.

I am confuse about this portion.

1. For the Cost Basis, is the value show here the total for (Net Price for buying IWDA + Commission for buying IWDA)

2. For the Mkt Value, is the value show here (Cost Basis - Unrealized P&L)?

3. Is there somewhere can we see whether the total money we invest (Net Ammount for buying stock + Commission Pay to the broker + Any additional Fee) is in the postitive or neagtive value from the time we open Interactive Brokers?

4. Let say, I bought 20 IWDA at price $57 last month and also bought at 20 IWDA at price $54 yesterday. How can we sell specifically the 20 we bought at price $57?

5. When we buy USD and sell, the commission is deduced using SGD. When we buy IWDA, the commission is deduced using USD (Correct me if I am wrong).

a. What if we buy SGD and sell USD, does the commission deduced from our SGD or USD?
b. Is there any commission when we sell IWDA?
 

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Few question I encounter while using the IBKR app

When we bought let say IWDA, there is new section "Position" which show the Mkt. Value, Average Price, Cost Basis, Unrealized P&L & Realized P&L in the IBKR app.

I am confuse about this portion.

1. For the Cost Basis, is the value show here the total for (Net Price for buying IWDA + Commission for buying IWDA)

2. For the Mkt Value, is the value show here (Cost Basis - Unrealized P&L)?

3. Is there somewhere can we see whether the total money we invest (Net Ammount for buying stock + Commission Pay to the broker + Any additional Fee) is in the postitive or neagtive value from the time we open Interactive Brokers?

4. Let say, I bought 20 IWDA at price $57 last month and also bought at 20 IWDA at price $54 yesterday. How can we sell specifically the 20 we bought at price $57?

5. When we buy USD and sell, the commission is deduced using SGD. When we buy IWDA, the commission is deduced using USD (Correct me if I am wrong).

a. What if we buy SGD and sell USD, does the commission deduced from our SGD or USD?
b. Is there any commission when we sell IWDA?
Q4, let's say you bought 20 apples for $1 each at fairprice and 20 apples for $2 at cold storage. Your neighbour then asks if you could sell her 20 apples at $3 because she is unable to go to the market. Does it really matter which 20 apples you sell? (from fair price, cold storage, or a mix of both)? At the end of the day, you bought 40 apples for a total of $60, with an average price of $1.50 per apple. Each stock is the same, it doesn't matter what price you bought it at, it's still the same stock stock the same value. That's why they always say, price is what you pay, value is what you get.

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Q4, let's say you bought 20 apples for $1 each at fairprice and 20 apples for $2 at cold storage. Your neighbour then asks if you could sell her 20 apples at $3 because she is unable to go to the market. Does it really matter which 20 apples you sell? (from fair price, cold storage, or a mix of both)? At the end of the day, you bought 40 apples for a total of $60, with an average price of $1.50 per apple. Each stock is the same, it doesn't matter what price you bought it at, it's still the same stock stock the same value. That's why they always say, price is what you pay, value is what you get.

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I agree with this. I really dunnoe the logic on why ppl need to knw which one they are selling, cause both regardless of the prices they buy in, are the SAME THING
 

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I'm salivating more over synthetically lending out my dollars over the turn through the forwards market, but I'm a weirdo like that. 3-month USD through JPY is yielding a shade over 3%, if you're lucky enough to have the USD floating around doing nothing.

Could you explain this a little further? How do you lend out $$ in forwards?

How does this mechanism work in theory and how does one execute it IBKR?
 

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I really dunnoe the logic on why ppl need to knw which one they are selling, cause both regardless of the prices they buy in, are the SAME THING
This distinction can matter in other jurisdictions (and to U.S. persons) with capital gains tax.
 

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If I'm planning to put aside 1k sgd per month and buy into IWDA every 3 month, should I go SCB or IB?
 

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In most cases: 100/0. Emerging markets (which is what EIMI owns) are not a huge slice of global stock markets; if they were, they wouldn’t be “emerging” any more. And owning a few hundred dollars of EIMI, or even a few thousand dollars’ worth, is not going to make an appreciable difference to your portfolio performance compared to putting the same amount in IWDA.

My general rule of thumb is that if you’ve got a portfolio of six figures or more, you can have a 50/45/5 allocation between ES3/IWDA/EIMI. Smaller than $100k SGD, it’s not worth the extra brokerage costs and the extra headache of having an allocation to EIMI.

Hey Shiny Things. Thanks for the reply. I currently have a small portfolio of individual local stock picks but thinking to switch over to full IWDA. Why buy ES3 though? Wouldn't IWDA already covered Singapore market?
 

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Hey Shiny Things. Thanks for the reply. I currently have a small portfolio of individual local stock picks but thinking to switch over to full IWDA. Why buy ES3 though? Wouldn't IWDA already covered Singapore market?
It is about the ratio. Singapore is a very small part of IWDA, like 1 or 2% I think

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It is about the ratio. Singapore is a very small part of IWDA, like 1 or 2% I think

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Nope, it's not 1% or 2%. It's 0.52%

Yes, SG is that small on the world stage
 

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Yeah - I know it's probably a drag. But it does offer me emotional safety - which is priceless. I am also quite long cash, so I 'l rationalise my massive safety net later. I think first thing is to take the cash and put in MBH (as per Shiny tip)- next step, think about rainy day allocation (probably too much).

So you're going in the right direction, and it's not a great idea to force yourself to jump in all at once. Part of what a financial advisor (a good one) does is a counselling role—reminding you that there's value in letting go of some, not all, of that safety net.

Your first goal should be to bring down your safety net to six months' worth of expenses. That's a totally sensible level; it'll cover unemployment, it'll cover unexpected medical expenses, it'll cover a lot of things. Anything above that, you can start moving into MBH and not feel guilty about it at all.

I would like to put my spare USD in IB to work while DCAing over a 3 year period into IWDA. What do you guys recommend I should do?

You’re thinking much too hard about this mate. You haven’t really even taken the first step of buying some IWDA and some ES3 and some MBH. You should do that before you start asking how to optimise your spare cash.

Anyway, a couple of points:
  1. As BBCW said, three years is far too long a period to be dollar-cost-averaging over. I know you’re doing it because you’re uncomfortable about investing, but it’ll get a lot easier after you take the first step. Six months is more sensible.
  2. And if you’re spreading it over six months, you really don’t need to think too hard at all about where you’re putting your cash. Just buy BIL.

What bonds would be relevant for this short term, rising interest rates, recession looming environment?

Those are opposing things. If a recession is looming, rates are going to go edown. They can’t both be right.

Or are TIPS a better idea? But I don't really understand TIPS a single bit at all.

That is maybe a sign that YOU’RE OVERCOMPLICATING THIS.

Invest it over six months. Put the spare cash in BIL while you wait. Investing is only complicated if you make it complicated.

1. Currently I'm in my 40s.

An example in the book says we should put the money into the portion which have not meet the desire percentage. So do I stop contributing G3B and diverse 70% to IWDA and 30% A35? If I stop contributing to G3B, will I miss the dollar cost averaging benefits ad compound intrest of G3B? Coz it will take afew years to achieve the target for IWDA and A35.
Yeah. It’s not the end of the world if you take a couple years off from buying G3B/ES3.

2. For rebalancing, it is done 2 times per year. For monthly contribution like the POSB invest-saver, the total investment sum is changing every month. Example in book is using fixed amount. How do we do rebalancing?
It’s pretty easy. A couple times a year, just take a look at your portfolio, and sell and buy things to get back to your target allocation. You don’t need to think too hard about it.

1. For the Cost Basis, is the value show here the total for (Net Price for buying IWDA + Commission for buying IWDA)
Yep.

2. For the Mkt Value, is the value show here (Cost Basis - Unrealized P&L)?
No. Market value is number of shares * share price.

3. Is there somewhere can we see whether the total money we invest (Net Ammount for buying stock + Commission Pay to the broker + Any additional Fee) is in the postitive or neagtive value from the time we open Interactive Brokers?

Your “life-to-date PnL” is the thing you’re after. I’m not quite sure how to do this, but: why do you need to see this? What are you looking to do?

4. Let say, I bought 20 IWDA at price $57 last month and also bought at 20 IWDA at price $54 yesterday. How can we sell specifically the 20 we bought at price $57?

You can do this using the “tax lot selector” (I think that’s what it’s called), but why do you want to do this? As was pointed out, it doesn’t matter (to Singaporean investors at least; it matters to me, sigh); you’re just creating more work for yourself.

5. When we buy USD and sell, the commission is deduced using SGD. When we buy IWDA, the commission is deduced using USD (Correct me if I am wrong).

a. What if we buy SGD and sell USD, does the commission deduced from our SGD or USD?
b. Is there any commission when we sell IWDA?
A) I thiiinnkkk it’s in SGD but I’m not 100% sure.
B) Yes. There’s commission on buy trades and sell trades for everything.

Could you explain this a little further? How do you lend out $$ in forwards?

How does this mechanism work in theory and how does one execute it IBKR?

So the fact that this arb (the “cross-currency basis”) even exists is counterintuitive. A dollar is a dollar is a dollar, and there’s no reason Japanese banks or European banks should pay more for a dollar than American banks would…but they do. And before 2008, it didn’t exist at all, because banks would arb it away; but after 2008, the balance sheet cost of closing the arb has gotten so high that it’s not worth it for banks to close it.

Imagine you have one crisp US dollar. If you put that dollar on deposit at the Fed for three months, you’ll get the Fed Funds rate—about 2.1%, give or take a bit of volatility around the “turn”, market slang for the 31st of December (because it’s the “turn of the year”, and it’s when banks want to pad their balance sheets with lots of US dollars).

But if you enter into a forward agreement for that dollar—sell it for yen today, and agree to buy it back in three months, paying yen—you’ll get closer to 3% annualised yield.

The difference (and it shows up through euro forwards as well) comes because non-American banks want to have US dollars on their balance sheets as well. Those banks have easy access to euros and yen, but they don’t have easy access to US dollars, so they have to borrow them through the FX forwards markets.

Digression: why is a USDJPY FX forward the same as a secured USD loan? Think about the cash flows:

FX forward:
Day 1: Pay USD; receive JPY (an FX trade)
Day 90: Receive USD; pay JPY (reversing the FX trade, at a rate you agreed on day 1)

Secured loan:
Day 1: Pay USD; receive JPY (as collateral for the loan)
Day 90: Receive USD back; pay JPY back (give back the collateral)

Those are the same thing!

Normally, retail traders can’t take advantage of trades like this, because you have to have an ISDA in place, or the brokerage costs are high, or, or, or, or... But this one is interesting because if you have USD floating around, you can put this trade on and pick up a few extra basis points of interest on those USD. Note: this DOES NOT WORK IF YOU DON’T ALREADY HAVE USD CASH. If you have SGD cash, it won’t work; the few basis points of extra interest will get outweighed by any swings and roundabouts in the USDSGD FX rate over the next three months.

Also, it doesn’t work great in amounts over about $100k USD, because IBKR charges hefty negative interest on positive yen balances over 11 million yen—about -1.25%—enough to wipe out the arb. If you wanted to do it in industrial size, you’d buy 3-month JGBs (which yield about -0.15%) instead of just leaving yen cash in your account.

Here’s how to do it:
  1. At Interactive Brokers, sell USDJPY spot, and sell the January CME JPY FX futures in an equivalent amount. (The futures notional is 12.5 million yen, so very roughly if you sell $111,500 USD you’ll buy one futures contract to hedge.) It has to be the January futures, because the big interest rate pickup is over the 31st of December (remember, you’re loaning USD to banks over the turn.)
  2. Wait. You’ll have PnL on the FX position that should be almost exactly offset by the PnL on the futures position; small negative interest on the yen cash position; and the positive interest will come from carry as the futures converge with the cash.
  3. When the futures contract matures, it’ll physically deliver: it’ll debit the yen from your account, credit you with USD. The USD you end up with will be the equivalent of having earned about 3% annualized on your USD amount.
  4. Pub.

If I'm planning to put aside 1k sgd per month and buy into IWDA every 3 month, should I go SCB or IB?

IBKR for your global stocks (IWDA), Stanchart for local (ES3 & MBH)

Hey Shiny Things. Thanks for the reply. I currently have a small portfolio of individual local stock picks but thinking to switch over to full IWDA. Why buy ES3 though? Wouldn't IWDA already covered Singapore market?

It does, but not enough. If you’re a Singaporean investor, and you’re going to retire in Singapore, you’ll want Singapore dollars to spend on your retirement costs (medical, housing, going down to the Sands and putting it all on the banker at the baccarat tables). If you have all your portfolio in IWDA, the risk is that the Singapore dollar’s going to strengthen, which will reduce the value of your portfolio in Singapore dollar terms. Splitting your portfolio (I prefer 50/50, because it’s easy) between ES3 and IWDA gives you some balance between the value of overseas diversification and the protection of having assets in your home currency.

(Most people don’t have any overseas investments, so if you have some, you’re still doing better than most people!)
 

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Just buy BIL.
Erm.. what is BIL? My guess is U.S. Treasure Bill?
Your “life-to-date PnL” is the thing you’re after. I’m not quite sure how to do this, but: why do you need to see this? What are you looking to do?
I would like to know the life-to-date PnL because when we invest for 10 years, with every month 1 to 2k. I would forget how much total amount I use to invest at the end of 10 years, that the reason asking.
You can do this using the “tax lot selector” (I think that’s what it’s called), but why do you want to do this? As was pointed out, it doesn’t matter (to Singaporean investors at least; it matters to me, sigh); you’re just creating more work for yourself.
I use to use eToro like 10 years back (Yes... during year 2008), and every thing 1 buy is categories under a section. If let say I wanna to sell the thing, I just click "close". Then the system would know I wanna to sell this 20 lot of stock that I purchase at $57. I loss like USD 5 to 6k back then (which is alot of me that time) then I stop believing in investing until I see this Shiny Things thread and decide to take a step forward to try try

I know is not applicable to Singaporean. Would like to know more and learn (I always believe in continuous learning, I am impress by how both BBCWatcher and Shiny Things have that much real life knowledge). Is there any reference guide in Interactive Broker that I can read on?

I remember the one of the post I read that BBCWatcher wrote is to buy a banana and do cashback in excess of the purchase amount at Walmart is really impressive. If everyone is doing that then no one would use ATM anymore :s13:

Aside from this, curious. If the world rich person put all his/her asset on IWDA, let say 100 trillions :D, would the IWDA price go up or down? Is there an effect when people buy and sell stock/ETF?
 

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Erm.. what is BIL? My guess is U.S. Treasure Bill?

Yes. It’s not particularly useful for Singaporean investors, unless you have large amounts of USD cash sitting around.

I would like to know the life-to-date PnL because when we invest for 10 years, with every month 1 to 2k. I would forget how much total amount I use to invest at the end of 10 years, that the reason asking.

Oh, gosh, then I misunderstood - I misread it as you asking about your profit over ten years, not the amount you invested.

There’s not an easy way to do this over the entire life of your portfolio, but you can do it. You can retrieve reports for each year, and then add up the amount you deposited each year.

I know is not applicable to Singaporean. Would like to know more and learn (I always believe in continuous learning, I am impress by how both BBCWatcher and Shiny Things have that much real life knowledge). Is there any reference guide in Interactive Broker that I can read on?

Yeah, IBKR’s knowledge base on their website is excellent; I don’t have the link to hand, but a few seconds’ googling will find it.

That said, IBKR’s just another broker. And the easiest way to learn it is by using it.

Aside from this, curious. If the world rich person put all his/her asset on IWDA, let say 100 trillions :D, would the IWDA price go up or down? Is there an effect when people buy and sell stock/ETF?

Sure, that’s how supply and demand works. It’s macroeconomics 101: if more people come in and buy a thing, the price of the thing will go up.
 

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If I buy ETFs listed on SGX (say ES3) using Vickers, that would be (similar to individual shares like Singtel) be held with CDP?

Another query: for ETFs, what are the concerns with low AUM ? Let’s say the AUM is a paltry 20MM - I know one of the risks is that the ETF may close down as it is not economical to run the ETF. But how about the liquidity (ease of sell) and bid ask spread ? That should not be an issue as the designated market makers are obliged to come in and match buy/sell orders at NAV?
 
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